raving_and_drooling Wrote:I like the record. Maybe not my favorite of all time, but a good one nonetheless.
As for the shots at Roger, David would have to do another 3 CDs of them to even come close to being even.
I know Roger has slagged Gilmour plenty of times in the press, but he`s never done it (irreversibly) on
record, has he?...Thankfully, he has bigger fish to fry, song-wise.
TDB? Decent enough...but it just aint the Fab 4.
Dyolf Wrote:"Poles Apart" is more about Syd than Roger.....
"You were always the golden boy then
And that you'd never lose that light in your eyes" - I always believed that was referring to Syd.
I agree with you Dyolf, he does seem like he is referring to Syd in that line. I think there are snides at Roger in the song(s) as well. Dave probably is referring to many issues going on in his life in these songs--Syd, Rog, his wife, people in general and in some of the songs (or all) probably a mix of several issues. He's a great artist and knows how to keep the music ambiguous. The best artists seem to have a knack for this. Take Stairway to Heaven for instance. I have heard from so many people what the song supposedly means. LOL. It makes it more interesting, no?
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I know Roger has slagged Gilmour plenty of times in the press, but he`s never done it (irreversibly) on record, has he?...Thankfully, he has bigger fish to fry, song-wise.
TDB? Decent enough...but it just aint the Fab 4.
It was my understanding that the title of Roger's Amused to Death record was just such a shot.
Indeed, Dave does not have nearly the neuroses to draw upon for material.
raving_and_drooling Wrote:Quote:=Philintheflesh
I know Roger has slagged Gilmour plenty of times in the press, but he`s never done it (irreversibly) on record, has he?...Thankfully, he has bigger fish to fry, song-wise.
TDB? Decent enough...but it just aint the Fab 4.
It was my understanding that the title of Roger's Amused to Death record was just such a shot.
Indeed, Dave does not have nearly the neuroses to draw upon for material.
Amused to Death refers to what Roger sees as the impending fate of the human race. There doesn't seem to be anything on ATD that refers in any way to the reunited Floyd.
As for the theme of Division Bell, it's about problems with communicating, and while I think a few of the lyrics do refer to Roger, others refer to Syd, Polly, the end of the Cold War, Rick's emotional condition... just to name a few. It's not a record about or to Roger Waters.
I stand corrected, thanks.
I like it quite a bit musically, but I wouldn't say I love it. Marooned is a great solo, and Coming Back to Life has great guitar work in it, and High Hopes is a great ending. The rest is decent, and my other favorites are Wearing the Inside Out, Keep Talking, and What Do You Want From Me. I think I would agree with SOJ that I actually like this one more than Piper, but both are somewhere in the middle of favorite Floyd album list.
I love The Division Bell....Coming back to Life is a fantastic song, and High Hopes and Take it Back are good also.
I'd say I quite like DB... it's in the middle of the pack as far as PF albums go for me, which means it's pretty darn good. But good as Piper? For me, nowhere near. Piper is an amazingly, unique and timeless album that changed music. DB is an example of a classic band managed to regain their identity despite losing a key member--an inspiring album, but not a classic. But, that's just my personal opinion!
However, here's another sure-to-be controversial opinion for y'all: I like DB somewhat better than The Wall. The Wall definitely has more moments of true greatness, but DB is far more consistent, and I can actually relate to its lyrics a lot better, even if of course the lyrics on The Wall are better-written. Most importantly, DB, with Dave, Rick and Nick playing together on every track, actually sounds like Pink Floyd, while the playing on The Wall, while consistently excellent, is also rather generic, except for the guitar playing of course.
Anyway, I rate DB somewhat higher than The Wall and Ummagumma, a bit higher than Saucerful, about the same as OBC and TFC, considerably better than More, AHM or AMLOR... but not nearly as good as Piper, DSotM, WYWH, Meddle and Animals... which are in my opinion the true classic legacy of PF.
I feel one of the best song is A Great Day For Freedom/ Take it Back is also excellent. But I can't imagine Lost For Words and most likely What Do You Want From Me being aimed at anyone but Roger Waters.
mabewa Wrote:I like DB somewhat better than The Wall. The Wall definitely has more moments of true greatness, but DB is far more consistent, and I can actually relate to its lyrics a lot better, even if of course the lyrics on The Wall are better-written.....while the playing on The Wall, while consistently excellent, is also rather generic, except for the guitar playing of course.
The music on The Wall is a little "generic", yes. Perhaps that`s the price paid for being such a complete conceptual piece....ie the music having to "bend" so much in order to not skew the narrative pacing, & lyrical format.
For me, the lyrics on
The Wall touch me far more than those on TDB. If The Wall`s music is a little "generic", I`d argue that the
lyrics on TDB may be accused of the same (something that the idiosyncratic Waters - however people feel about him - could hardly be accused of...ironically, it`s the very
ungeneric nature of his lyrics which get on some people`s nerves).
Gilmour/Samson - "
On the Day The Wall came down/The Ship of Fools had finally run aground""...mmhh, well it`s not as generic as "war is bad..love is good"...but I`d argue that they lack a certain personal vision.