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RADAR_Brian Wrote:Oh yeah... I'm not a fool.

thanks.

RADAR_Brian Wrote:So do recording artist have to make every single album be absolutely totally different and never provide the familiar?

Man, I love me some Roger Waters as much as the next guy, but sometimes.. just sometimes, I like to sit back and also enjoy some floyd tunes that are just pleasant to hear, not taking away from Roger's later stuff at all.

And like I said, I'm a huge Waters fan, probably 50/50 with Waters/Gilmour for me... but I would have to say that if DB is rehashing, then holy moly, what is The Final Cut? The whole thing started as songs not put on The Wall. Has Waters really done something new and innovative with it and his single records? Which is fine and awesome by me.

Anyway, I dig your opinions, just try not to slap people in the face when you state them! :)

Dreamtiger Wrote:

Jumpy Wrote:Rick's "contribution" ("Inside Out") is awful.

I think it's a great song....

White Like Jesus Wrote:Going to have to be blunt here, but anyone who says Final Cut lacks musically is a fool. Anyone who thinks Division Bell and that mullet rock album Momentary Lapse Of Reason are "more Pink Floyd", they are also a fool.

First of all, Final Cut used the first 3d sounds ever recorded. It also had Michael Kamen and an orchestra backing it up. Essentially, it was a very forward-thinking and advanced album, even if not everyone in the band fully participated. They just used the music to accentuate the lyrics more, which is a different songwriting technique than the standard "guitar solo goes here, chorus goes there, verse goes here.." technique that makes great, catchy radio singles for the masses.

It was different and it alienated people because it wasn't what they were used to. It was a progressive rock album. After that, Floyd (without Roger) decided to turn back the clock musically and rehash all the formulas that had been successful in the past. Basically, doing nothing new. In fact, Final Cut sounds more advanced than the album four years after it. Momentary's dated production and cheesy synthesizers cemented a big "1987" across the entire album's sound. Not to mention the terrible lyrics.

Basically, even if you believe Floyd is still Floyd without their dominant idea man, Roger's Floyd (and most of his solo stuff) is still better. Musically and lyrically. :D

RADAR_Brian Wrote:You are entitled to your opinions, but I would hardly declare them as fact.

I actually like TFC, Momentary Lapse, and DB as well. I think they all offer something.

I've always felt that if you could melt together TFC and DB you would have one awesome record.

TFC is just so relentlessly beating me over the head while I listen to it, while DB really lets me relax and flow with the music and, of course, at the same time perhaps not as lyrically challenging at most points (although I think High Hopes is as good as any other classic floyd)

They both are great as is though.

only my opinions, your miliage may differ.

sandmountainslim Wrote:

Dreamtiger Wrote:

Jumpy Wrote:Rick's "contribution" ("Inside Out") is awful.

I think it's a great song....

Ditto, "Inside Out" is the only song on DB I can tolerate, it almost sounds like real Floyd :)

Dreamtiger Wrote:hmmm, not unlike "The Final Cut", which is a Roger Waters album in all but name. I think the Division Bell is the first album since "Animals" that has important contributions from Nick and Rick.