08-19-2007, 05:36 PM
08-20-2007, 07:43 AM
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08-22-2007, 02:13 AM
" but still produced more intelligent sensitive/ethical people, ( baby boomers), than the current left leaning parents of today are."
Link to support this nonsense please.From a reputable source please.
Link to support this nonsense please.From a reputable source please.
08-23-2007, 07:15 AM
Quote:So, it's kind of weird to hear PETA described as ultra-left wing.
Yet it happens almost daily round the clock. Nothing unusual really about it. They attend many left functions & rallies,etc, therefore by who they associate with by default, essentially they fall on the left.
I think I get the problem here--you are classifying "left" as "anyone who has weird politics that I can't figure out who isn't obviously right-wing."
I'm not sure if this is possible for you to understand, but a lot of people, events and movements just don't fit into your left-right spectrum very well. Almost all "functions and rallies" I've ever been to have quite a mix of people politically. An anti-Iraq war rally, for example, will have liberals, libertarians, anarchists, moderates and conservatives--really quite a mix. Pro-choice? LOTS of libertarians and anarchists at those things, as well as plenty of moderates, plus a fair number of soccer-mom suburban Republicans. Anti NAFTA? Well, you won't get any libertarians at those things, but plenty of protectionalist-oriented conservatives and anti-big business anarchists.
For all I know, there may be some animal-rights people wandering around at these things too, but I'm not really sure what they'd be doing there--save the Iraqi zoo animals? Free trade hurts lab rats? I'm grasping at straws here, because I really actually noticed animal rights people at ANY kind of events except for, of course, animal right-rights events. They demonstrate in front of department stores and yell at old ladies wearing fur coats and stuff like that--I've seen 'em, but I can't help noticing that they don't seem to be able to get more than a few dozens people together at a time--quite different from any kind of progressive cause. A lot of 'em look like they are about 14 years old, too. Real scary compared to Al Quaida--got me hiding under my bed, those kids do.
From my experience, animal-rights people are a breed unto themselves. They mix with environmentalists like oil and water, and they could care less about most actual left-wing issues like public health care, unions, minimum wages, etc. Animal-rights is pretty much the be-all, end-all of their ideology. When they have events and functions, it's all about one thing: animal rights. As I noted above, some of them are anarchists, but a lot of them seem to have no politics at all--just middle class kids with a pet cause, no pun intended.
Plenty of people from all over the political spectrum care about animal WELFARE, but that's another story. Spay your cat? Eat free-range chicken? Oppose bear-baiting and cock-fighting? Like it or not, that stuff is pretty much mainstream, so much so that people rarely feel the need to demonstrate over it.
Quote:& Conservatism is closer to Mom & Pop Americanism, apple pie, kids to bed at 8.30 etc. Which many on the left enjoy poking fun at, but still produced more intelligent sensitive/ethical people, ( baby boomers), than the current left leaning parents of today are.
PURE biased opinion here. Let me tell it to you as someone who has traveled all over the world and hung out with people all over the political spectrum: parents of pretty much all over the political spectrum regularly produce intelligent, sensitive and ethnical kids. My (very liberal) parents were so goddamn good that people I barely knew in my little rural community used to tell my brother and me "you kids don't know how lucky you are." A lot of left-wing parents are actually great at protecting their kids from some of the bad influences of modern society: fast food, violent video games, movies and TV, consumerist values, etc. I was raised with DAMN good values, and I'm proud of it. Growing up in a politically mixed small town, I learned to accept and tolerate people with different political views. Everyone knew who the good parents were, and it had nothing to do with liberal and conservative. I'd NEVER suggest that conservative parents were no good. Don't knock what you don't know. There is much more to life than left and right.
08-23-2007, 04:05 PM
A lot of people miss the real point here. Fox hunting was done because at one time there was a very large fox population in England. The dogs were used to help in pest control as the fox killed the poultry. England is no longer the huge chicken farmer it was. What really bothers me is the thought of anyone getting enjoyment out of watching a creature torn apart and killed. Its not the sign of a great civilization,rember the Romans. Humanity should have evolved beyond cruelity by now. Its not right for Roger or for Michael Vick. Maybe it's just some stupid macho thing.
08-23-2007, 04:10 PM
spinstergirl Wrote:A lot of people miss the real point here. Fox hunting was done because at one time there was a very large fox population in England. The dogs were used to help in pest control as the fox killed the poultry. England is no longer the huge chicken farmer it was. What really bothers me is the thought of anyone getting enjoyment out of watching a creature torn apart and killed. Its not the sign of a great civilization,rember the Romans. Humanity should have evolved beyond cruelity by now. Its not right for Roger or for Michael Vick. Maybe it's just some stupid macho thing.yea, a unibrow kinda thing..nicely said and it reinforces my Romanesque point from earlier...there's just no justification for it...
this started out as a simple thread... :upside:
08-23-2007, 05:59 PM
rolanddoe Wrote:Why cevor say no justification unibrow?no justification now...down there big boy...playing fox not sound good like playing bass.. :???:
08-23-2007, 07:22 PM
Rolanddoe! Where ya been?
08-26-2007, 11:50 AM