08-14-2007, 08:39 PM
08-15-2007, 02:30 AM
Frontpagemag .com IS propoganda.
08-15-2007, 09:23 PM
A matter of opinion, Irelevant regarding the Who Really Cares bokk written by a Liberal University professor which again shows even poor conservatives give more to non religious charities than poor Liberals do. Blood donation, PTA, Environmental causes etc.
08-15-2007, 09:24 PM
A matter of opinion, Irelevant anyways regarding the "Who Really Cares" book which was written by a Liberal University professor which again shows even poor conservatives give more to non religious charities than poor Liberals do. Blood donation, PTA, Environmental causes etc by roughly 30%
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08-16-2007, 02:26 AM
Any organization, on the left or right, which gives biased news is propoganda. I don't think we can debate that.
Myself,I know the party lines. And anytime I hear news or "facts" that parrot either partyline , I basically discount it. Dems and Repubs are out for themselves, somewhere in between is the truth.
Myself,I know the party lines. And anytime I hear news or "facts" that parrot either partyline , I basically discount it. Dems and Repubs are out for themselves, somewhere in between is the truth.
08-16-2007, 12:10 PM
Dyolf Wrote:hm, i was unaware of the technicalities of foxing, i guess that sounds a bit grotesque to be practiced. Sounds like something a roman would do.Grguitarfreek100 Wrote:is it that horrible that he huntsYes, if it's for s pointless sport. Hunting rabbits etc for food isn't cruel because the rabbit is shot and dies instantly, it isn't attacked and ripped to pieces by large dogs, just imagine the pain the fox goes through for the "fun" of these hunters.
A few weeks ago, a man was arrested for taking a scissors to a dog's ears, he's now in prison for animal cruelty, is this any different to fox hunting?
08-16-2007, 02:09 PM
Grguitarfreek100 Wrote:Indeed it does, and the Romans did indeed hunt for fun/sport, just because it's a 'tradition' that doesn't make it right.Dyolf Wrote:hm, i was unaware of the technicalities of foxing, i guess that sounds a bit grotesque to be practiced. Sounds like something a roman would do.Grguitarfreek100 Wrote:is it that horrible that he huntsYes, if it's for s pointless sport. Hunting rabbits etc for food isn't cruel because the rabbit is shot and dies instantly, it isn't attacked and ripped to pieces by large dogs, just imagine the pain the fox goes through for the "fun" of these hunters.
A few weeks ago, a man was arrested for taking a scissors to a dog's ears, he's now in prison for animal cruelty, is this any different to fox hunting?
08-16-2007, 04:56 PM
"Any organization, on the left or right, which gives biased news is propoganda."
Again, it is purely your opinion that it is biased. If you have a link to support that view from a neutral source, fine, if not, not worth mentioning.
& the book again has nothing to do with that organization, hence the irrelevance of the point.
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Again, it is purely your opinion that it is biased. If you have a link to support that view from a neutral source, fine, if not, not worth mentioning.
& the book again has nothing to do with that organization, hence the irrelevance of the point.
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08-16-2007, 05:28 PM
Propaganda: "the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person" OR "ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect"
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=propaganda
I've been following this topic for awhile, unsure if I should respond or not, and after seeing the past post I thought I'd chime in. However, this topic just goes to show what's wrong with a lot of the world. It also ends up as "we're right-you're wrong" petty, ineffective debate. Roger supports fox hunters, okay, is that right? I don't know. Some say yes, some no. No where should this have become about PETA and whether or not they left wing or right wing. Everyone has their own opinions, and they support those opinions with facts. If you don't like their opinion, that's alright, but it doesn't make their facts invalid. Just because a fact make go against you opinion does not mean that it is "biased" or dismissive. Facts are proven statements. What facts chose to ignore or include determine the bias of an opinion.
For example, here is a debate between Dyolf and Roger Waters about fox hunting.
Their opinions (forgive for paraphrasing, but for example's sake please go with me Dyolf):
Dyolf: Fox hunting is a cruel sport that should be banned because it involves a fox being used as entertainment and in the end being attacked and killed by dogs .
Roger: Fox hunting should not be banned because it has a long upstanding tradition in England (or wherever it may be).
The facts are in bold. Those facts will never change. Dyolf isn't going to emphasize the fact of fox hunting's tradition and Roger isn't going to discuss the fox's wellbeing, because it doesn't help their opinions and my omitting those facts for the sake of their arguments there is the element of bias.
I have yet to see a text without bias, whether it be a piece or literature, a news program, or even college textbook. If you say you report things or only use things that are unbiased, you either naive or lying to yourself. This topic has been overtaken with argument about left and right and what is a good source and what is propaganda and frankly is just getting old. This isn't the first topic for this and won't be the last, but please stop making us and them. Don't take things so personally, it is a Pink Floyd Message Board and it is a community of people who you for the most part, with a few exception, you will never meet or talk with outside of the board. So just drop it, and talk about fox hunting and Roger.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=propaganda
I've been following this topic for awhile, unsure if I should respond or not, and after seeing the past post I thought I'd chime in. However, this topic just goes to show what's wrong with a lot of the world. It also ends up as "we're right-you're wrong" petty, ineffective debate. Roger supports fox hunters, okay, is that right? I don't know. Some say yes, some no. No where should this have become about PETA and whether or not they left wing or right wing. Everyone has their own opinions, and they support those opinions with facts. If you don't like their opinion, that's alright, but it doesn't make their facts invalid. Just because a fact make go against you opinion does not mean that it is "biased" or dismissive. Facts are proven statements. What facts chose to ignore or include determine the bias of an opinion.
For example, here is a debate between Dyolf and Roger Waters about fox hunting.
Their opinions (forgive for paraphrasing, but for example's sake please go with me Dyolf):
Dyolf: Fox hunting is a cruel sport that should be banned because it involves a fox being used as entertainment and in the end being attacked and killed by dogs .
Roger: Fox hunting should not be banned because it has a long upstanding tradition in England (or wherever it may be).
The facts are in bold. Those facts will never change. Dyolf isn't going to emphasize the fact of fox hunting's tradition and Roger isn't going to discuss the fox's wellbeing, because it doesn't help their opinions and my omitting those facts for the sake of their arguments there is the element of bias.
I have yet to see a text without bias, whether it be a piece or literature, a news program, or even college textbook. If you say you report things or only use things that are unbiased, you either naive or lying to yourself. This topic has been overtaken with argument about left and right and what is a good source and what is propaganda and frankly is just getting old. This isn't the first topic for this and won't be the last, but please stop making us and them. Don't take things so personally, it is a Pink Floyd Message Board and it is a community of people who you for the most part, with a few exception, you will never meet or talk with outside of the board. So just drop it, and talk about fox hunting and Roger.
08-16-2007, 06:45 PM
Yah, & again, the book is based on a legit study, & news sourse not related to it.