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- Alternate Gilmour - 07-28-2005 12:44 PM
[from rolling stone]
Roger Waters
Pink Floyd's bass man on the blues and the Floyd reunion at Live 8
By AUSTIN SCAGGS
God bless the global success that was Live 8 -- not least of all for reuniting acrimonious ex-bandmates Roger Waters and David Gilmour to perform Pink Floyd songs for the first time since 1981. "I was very happy -- I definitely felt warm and cuddly toward everyone in the band," says Waters, sipping white wine in his forty-ninth-floor midtown-Manhattan apartment. "I decided that if anything came up in rehearsals -- any difference of opinion -- I would just roll over. And I did." Not only has Waters -- the Floyd's chief songwriter during the band's Seventies heyday -- closed a bitter chapter in the history of the group, he has completed a full-on opera, Ca Ira, which he began in 1989. Ca Ira is set against the backdrop of the French Revolution; a CD comes out in September, and the concert debut is slated for November 17th in Rome. But with Pink Floyd on the minds of rock fans, Waters flatly denies talk of a future tour in the U.S., even for the reported $150 million payday. "I don't really need it," he says. "It would be a very hot ticket. That said, I didn't mind rolling over for one day, but I couldn't roll over for a whole ******* tour."
Growing up, what record changed your life?
Like everyone else in England, I listened to Radio Luxembourg, a pirate station. They played rock & roll, like Bill Haley and English acts with stupid invented names like Tommy Steele and Billy Fury. Seven or eight years later, the Beatles changed all that. In the meantime I fell in love with Lead Belly, Billie Holiday, Bessie Smith, Art Blakey, Monk and Mingus. The blues is at the root of everything I do.
Did you sing in choir?
Before my voice broke, I used to sing treble in a combined choir.
Children's choirs surface in your opera, and in Pink Floyd.
My great friend Nick Griffiths -- who died this year -- was entirely responsible for recording the kids on "Another Brick in the Wall." The sound those kids make was brilliant, but we were 6,000 miles away, in Los Angeles. Last year some ambulance chaser desperately tried to find the kids -- I think there were about a dozen or so -- and ask them, "Why haven't you gotten any royalties? Why don't you sue Pink Floyd?" He found a few of them, and a couple said that singing on it was the best thing that's ever happened to them.
You were an architecture student. What venue looks the best from the stage?
Most of my career has been in sports arenas, and those are awful places. Those old theaters are really nice, like the Fox Theatre in St. Louis, where they recorded the Chuck Berry movie [Hail! Hail! Rock 'n' Roll]. I've played there, and the weird-red-plush, slightly decaying vibe is really cool.
Do you have the handwritten lyrics to the Floyd classics?
I don't keep anything. No T-shirts or backstage passes -- I have nothing at all of my past. I've been divorced so many times and moved so often.... I think I've still got the drawing I did of "The Wall." It's just on a piece of legal pad -- a perspective view of an auditorium with a wall drawn across it, coming down through the seats. [Whispers] "Hey, what a great idea."
What other band would you have liked to play bass in?
What's always great is playing the blues.
Twelve-bar blues, straight up. Nothing better than that. When Eric [Clapton] was in my band, back in '85, we'd play the blues during soundcheck. In Pink Floyd I was being savaged -- because Dave [Gilmour] and Rick [Wright] were kind of insecure, they'd always try to attack me, saying I sang out of tune or I couldn't really play. I said something about that to Eric, and he said, "Are you ******* crazy? You're a great bass player." I went, "Oh, yeah, maybe I am." I would be totally happy to be standing at the back of a stage playing the blues hour after hour.... I enjoyed playing bass [at Live 8].
It looked like you were having the time of your life.
It was more fun than I can remember having with Pink Floyd twenty-five years ago. When we did The Wall, we'd have four Winnebagos parked in a circle, with all the doors facing away from the circle. It was really, really bad. Everybody was kind of jealous -- definitely Dave. He was so pissed off that I was writing everything and doing all the work. He wanted to be that person, but he wasn't. But at Live 8 everything was easy. I was there to enjoy myself.
How do you think Dave felt?
He did send me an e-mail afterward, saying, "Hi, Rog, I'm glad you made that phone call. It was fun, wasn't it?" So he obviously had fun.
Can you think of a better band name than Pink Floyd?
Brand name or band name? It's a great brand name. Dave and Rick did tours [as Pink Floyd] and made huge fortunes. I've seen videos of those tours. With all due respect, it was sort of muck.
I heard you've been working on a rock & roll record.
I've written a bunch of songs. When I discover what it's actually about, I'll finish it and put it out for better or worse. I just always seem so busy. I have a new woman in my life. I can't believe I'm ******* sixty-one years old, and my golf game is such ****.
I hear you're a pretty good pool player, though. What musician has been the toughest to beat?
There's no musician out there who could hold a candle to me at pool.
[from me, AG....]
Dave is right.....Roger is a Prick.
P.S. His "great friend" Nick Griffiths died this year and He/Roger
was the only one that didn't show up at the funeral.
P.S.S. I still think RW is a genius, and I love his work..but he is a Prick.
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- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 12:50 PM
That interview was awesome. God, Roger's a right smart ass. I love that about him.
- Jumpy - 07-28-2005 12:53 PM
If he really said all these things, I'm very disappointed.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 12:54 PM
Saying he did all the work is out of line, but I believe his thing about Dave being jealous. Though, probably not as jealous as he claims.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 01:02 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Dave is right.....Roger is a Prick.ermmmm.......who wrote this. the person who wrote the thread, or the person who wrote the interview. whoever did, is not a floyd fan. and let insults come to me. i said meltdown was crap, not david. so whoever it was, you should had editeed it before putting it either up, or in a rag. its obviousy a mindless idiot who did the interview, and took from it what he wanted. rogers interviews are usually sincere and true. but that last statement just goes to prove that he who wrote it is a biggotted b,astard.
P.S. His "great friend" Nick Griffiths died this year and He/Roger
was the only one that didn't show up at the funeral.
and my name is martin. just in case you want to attack me.
and p.s. did whoever wrote that last statement i would like to ask, were they at nicks funeral, and if not, why not?
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- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 01:06 PM
Martin? As in Prince? DORK!
First person to answer what that means gets a cyber pumpkin pie.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 01:10 PM
i agree with you. he is a dork, and a kingly one at that.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 01:12 PM
You actually know what I'm talking about? Wow, I'm impressed in a way. Not many people know the secondary characters well.
- wiez - 07-28-2005 01:13 PM
AG...Thank You so much for the interview!. We don't have RS in the house. It's a no-no. We have AP instead. I would love to get RS, but it's still in negotiation. I did enjoy the article. And Roger answers the question about them going online (Dave sent me an e-mail....). hahahahaha. Thanks again AG.
- Jumpy - 07-28-2005 01:13 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:i agree with you. he is a dork, and a kingly one at that.I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
But as a Roger fan, I'm very disappointed that he would make disparaging remarks about David's work from 1979-1994 within weeks of the Live 8 show, when he admits they all had a great time. If this interview post is what was actually printed and said, then you need to look no further as to why Roger would be impossible to get along with.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 01:14 PM
it doesnt take much. a true floyd fan is an intelligent floyd fan. it just angers me seeing that s.hit written about anyone in the floyd on a floyd site.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 01:15 PM
I won't answer. I'm waiting for "Martin" (if that is indeed his real name) to say what its from?
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 01:16 PM
Jumpy Wrote:as i said, interviewers take out what they want to. its never always 100% true. now. can someone please start another thred. this is irritatingScream Thy Last Scream Wrote:i agree with you. he is a dork, and a kingly one at that.I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
But as a Roger fan, I'm very disappointed that he would make disparaging remarks about David's work from 1979-1994 within weeks of the Live 8 show, when he admits they all had a great time. If this interview post is what was actually printed and said, then you need to look no further as to why Roger would be impossible to get along with.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 01:17 PM
Rolling Stone has a buncha pricks on their board. Its like that everytime they interview an artist people have controversial feelings on.
- mesamay2003 - 07-28-2005 03:09 PM
I love Floyd, and both Roger and Dave, but that RS interview just shows me again that I could definately see that working with Roger would be near impossible...he always seems to have to go out of his way to knock others and make himself out to be the big shot genius of the band. Even if was the creative force behind PF, a little humility would go a long way...and learning that great bands are always a result of the sum of the parts, not any one individual. Rogers post PF albums should have taught him that lesson...
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 03:20 PM
D.I.J. full stop. anyone gets it, wins the tie.
- The_Price_Of_A_Tea_And_A_slice - 07-28-2005 03:22 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:It looked like you were having the time of your life.I think that Roger said this at all gives us room to be positive.
It was more fun than I can remember having with Pink Floyd twenty-five years ago. When we did The Wall, we'd have four Winnebagos parked in a circle, with all the doors facing away from the circle. It was really, really bad. Everybody was kind of jealous -- definitely Dave. He was so pissed off that I was writing everything and doing all the work. He wanted to be that person, but he wasn't. But at Live 8 everything was easy. I was there to enjoy myself.
How do you think Dave felt?
He did send me an e-mail afterward, saying, "Hi, Rog, I'm glad you made that phone call. It was fun, wasn't it?" So he obviously had fun.
Roger has gotten rather bitter in his old age. No offense to him, but he has. Now despite all the things he said, he still couldn't cooly contain himself and say, 'Yeah it was alright, and I think Dave didn't hate it that much either'.
That he is that honest about how much he enjoyed it, despite his hard cynical shell, should give us all hope for future Floyd projects.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 03:26 PM
......he says, just as he watches david walking away after cn on live 8. :D
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- wiez - 07-28-2005 04:48 PM
The same things that you find offensive about Waters are the very things that make him brilliant. Read his lyrics.
- mesamay2003 - 07-28-2005 05:25 PM
Apparently he's not brilliant enough to know that he was only a key part of a great band...not THE band...
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 05:31 PM
I don't think any of us posting know Roger well enough to make these kind of judgments. Were his fans, not his family.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 05:31 PM
hahahahahahaha. what color was the sky you woke up under this morning?
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 05:38 PM
Green. Why do you ask?
- mattmc1973 - 07-28-2005 05:41 PM
Quote:I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
Martin Prince, from the Simpsons.
"This is the first time anyone has ever sat next to me since I successfully lobbied to have the school day extended by twenty minutes."
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 05:44 PM
YEP! THATS M' BOY!
- FelicityKendall'sUnderwear - 07-28-2005 10:18 PM
Boy, Roger couldn't resist getting one more jab at Dave! And Rick. He's still really resentful of them continuing on, without him, and he's pissed off that they were successful at it. GET OVER IT, ALREADY!!! Roger, you are not the center of the universe! Dave Gilmour is a damn good musician, in his own right; stop being such a big, frigging baby. I love ya, but you just sound like a bitter old man. It's pathetic, and it doesn't accomplish anything. It's amazing that such an intelligent guy cannot see that. Live and let live.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 10:37 PM
But if Roger wasn't such a jackass would he be as cool as he is? I think not! Just listen to Animals and tell me what it would be like if he was as nice as Dave!
I myself say Rock And Let Rock.
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- etphonehomeyo - 07-28-2005 10:39 PM
i like this interview (and basically all roger interviews) because he seems to say what he really thinks.
- mesamay2003 - 07-29-2005 04:24 AM
Wouldn't it be great if everybody really said what they thought, no matter how rude, self centered or flat out idiotic and stupid...
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-29-2005 06:18 AM
Do you suppose it's senility?
Besides losing his voice, he is also losing bits of his mind?
Even though he said in the interview that he thought he was
a great bass player...I've noticed that he has a difficult time
there too. Maybe his world is shrinking and he is going just a
little mad. What irony that would be.
- Skol - 07-29-2005 06:28 AM
We've heard stuff like this before. Just because they had a good time at Live8 doesn't mean Roger is going to feel differently about the past.
Also, another problem with written interviews is that you can't tell whether things were tounge in cheek or padded down for the article.
- Jumpy - 07-29-2005 07:26 AM
FelicityKendall'sUnderwear Wrote:and he's pissed off that they were successful at it.Mostly agree with everything you said, except for the "successful" part.
- mattmc1973 - 07-29-2005 07:29 AM
Quote:Mostly agree with everything you said, except for the "successful" part.
I assume you mean from an artistic standpoint, which is certainly subjective. From a ticket and album sales standpoint, there's no arguing it was a monster success.
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-29-2005 07:40 AM
As a musician that has listened to thousands of hours of pre-
and post-floyd, it is my opinion that musically Gilmour's Floyd is far superior.
- Jumpy - 07-29-2005 07:43 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:As a musician that has listened to thousands of hours of pre-Of the three Floyd's, I think Gilmour's Floyd is the weakest link, but that's just my opinion.
and post-floyd, it is my opinion that musically Gilmour's Floyd is far superior.
If ticket sales = quality, Jimmy Buffet would be a musical genius.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 07:45 AM
News hound sniffs the air
When Jessica Hahn goes down
He latches on to that symbol
Of detachment
Attracted by the peeling away of feeling
The celebrity of the abused shell the belle
that article is a laugh. i was a fool to answer it. and as ac said, nobody on this site can cricticise any member of pink floyd like that. the media are worms. they contrive wars and hatred. and that is what this article brought to this site.
get 3 or 4 hours of taped interview, pick out the juicy bits, and this is what you get...total b.ullshit
- Jumpy - 07-29-2005 07:51 AM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:the media are worms. they contrive wars and hatred. and that is what this article brought to this site.Quite possibly. Or maybe we're all just having the same disagreements we were before Live 8.
- wiez - 07-29-2005 07:52 AM
Alternative Gilmour, are you at all bias when discussing Gilmour and Waters??? :p hahahahaha
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-29-2005 07:58 AM
Jumpy Wrote:I respect your interest in Roger and suppose it is all just a matter of taste.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:As a musician that has listened to thousands of hours of pre-Of the three Floyd's, I think Gilmour's Floyd is the weakest link, but that's just my opinion.
and post-floyd, it is my opinion that musically Gilmour's Floyd is far superior.
If ticket sales = quality, Jimmy Buffet would be a musical genius.
Since I am a musician I hear things differently....It's my opinion that the best of Roger always had Gilmour writing music to his lyrics. No doubt, Roger can turn a phrase....but so can Andrew Loyd Webber. Come to think of it Roger hated him too.
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- Alternate Gilmour - 07-29-2005 08:06 AM
wiez Wrote:Alternative Gilmour, are you at all bias when discussing Gilmour and Waters??? :p hahahahahaRoger is my favorite lyricist....and Dave is my favorite when it come to writing and arranging music.
I do dislike it when people dismiss DG...since I am Dave's Alt
I suppose I get a bit touchy...
- Jumpy - 07-29-2005 08:09 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I liked Dave's DB work better when I heard it stripped down for his recent DVD concert. I think I don't like it being presented as "PF." That doesnt' mean I don't like certain songs.wiez Wrote:Alternative Gilmour, are you at all bias when discussing Gilmour and Waters??? :p hahahahahaRoger is my favorite lyricist....and Dave is my favorite when it come to writing and arranging music.
I do dislike it when people dismiss DG...since I am Dave's Alt
I suppose I get a bit touchy...
- Dave_Tv - 07-29-2005 08:10 AM
This just about sums it up.......
Quote:Mojo Magazine, December 1999
DANGER! DEMOLITION IN PROGRESS
THE FINAL CUT
In 1980-81 "The Wall" played in Los Angeles, New York, Dortmund and London, returning to Earls Court to film footage ultimately not used in the movie. Then the band started work on "The Final Cut."
ROGER WATERS: I had complete control of 'The Final Cut.'
DAVID GILMOUR: That discussion came up on occasions. It wouldn't have been to the band's benefit for Roger to have total control, he wasn't up to it. He hasn't had huge success with anything over which he's had total control.
ROGER WATERS: The concept [of The Wall's theme influencing its author's behaviour] is a convenient view for people. It's a short step from leader to dictator. We're all volunteers. Nobody had to stay. Even during "The Final Cut," where everything finally exploded, I was always completely willing to make the record on my own. We'd been arguing since 1974, for God's sake. Too long. At a certain point you have to say, this is not working, the point has come to break up.
DAVID GILMOUR: Roger said it was over. I said I would probably make another record. He made it clear he wouldn't make another record with us; I made it clear that it was my intention so to do.
ROGER WATERS: I want people around me who are creative, lively, interested and interesting. Dave is none of those things. He doesn't have any ideas and he's not interested really in people who do, except insofar as they can write records that he can put his name on, which is what's been happening since I left.
NICK MASON: I would never have imagined that we could have carried on without him until Dave said, "We can. Let's have a go." The feeling was, It's not your band to kill.
ROGER WATERS: I didn't decide that the band would have to die. I expressed my view that that [it] would [have] been the best thing. I would be distressed if Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr made records and went on the road calling themselves The Beatles. If John Lennon's not in it, it's sacrilegious. I don't want to put words into Dave's mouth but from what I've read I have a suspicion his view would be that a lot of people would hold the view that it wasn't OK to go on calling the band Pink Floyd when Syd ceased to function. The body of work that the four of us produced together post-Syd has some of that connection to the same things that The Beatles' work has a connection to, and that for me makes Pink Floyd important. And to continue with Gilmour and Mason, getting in a whole bunch of other people to write the material, seems to me an insult to the work that came before. And that's why I wanted the name to retire.
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- mesamay2003 - 07-29-2005 08:27 AM
If Dave never had any ideas, why was there a conflict...Roger really tends to come off as a talented prick...Roger alone was not Pink Floyd...
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-29-2005 09:09 AM
I guess that just like the Band will never agree on some things
the fans won't either. I suppose that's what courts are for.
In this case, the courts decided no one person owned it all.
For myself, I'm glad Dave gave us more. For my taste, the music is better not being slowed down by Roger's angst.
- Myriad Small Creature - 07-29-2005 09:12 AM
I think there are valid points to both sides of the argument. Roger clearly enjoyed performing at Live 8. I don't believe he's necessarily bitter anymore about the band continuing without him. As far as him looking at footage from the '87-'95 and calling it muck, I'm of the opinion that, as he was not involved in them at all, he is free to criticize them as part of the general public. How many topics do we have here criticizing or defending the post-Waters albums. He didn't say, "Those albums are total crap and I'll never forgive them for dragging Pink Floyd's name through the mud," he just implied it wasn't his cup of tea, which is far less critical than some of the anti-GilmourFloyd fans have been. He also said no disrespect intended, which is far, far more gracious than he would have been a couple of years ago. In regards to band jealousy in the late '70's, so what? There was and is a lot of ego in that band, and I'm sure everyone was jealous over somebody's elses something else at one point. That doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't jealous of one thing or another. He could have been jealous because he still needed Dave's singing voice even though they clearly couldn't stand each other any more. Maybe he was torqued over the time or two Dave actually got his way in the studio. Who knows? The point is that's a dicey statement to try and analyze. I just think a lot of people are reading far too much into this. Keep in mind that these mags tend to use the bits of the interview that suit their purposes and ditch the rest. There really isn't a good way to know, but it just seems to me that he's being far more gracious than he has been historically (i.e., not saying "Dave and Rick are right bastards, listen to my stuff").
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- Jumpy - 07-29-2005 09:24 AM
Myriad Small Creature Wrote:Keep in mind that these mags tend to use the bits of the interview that suit their purposes and ditch the rest. There really isn't a good way to know, but it just seems to me that he's being far more gracious than he has been historically (i.e., not saying "Dave and Rick are right bastards, listen to my stuff").Good point, which Scream has also emphasized.
While the quickie "soundbites" sell magazines, everyone here on the board would read the whole interview even if it were 20 pages. And the whole interview might provide a different context.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 09:31 AM
Dave_Tv Wrote:This just about sums it up...........and your point being? pro or con floyd, they are still the best group of individuals to get together and bring such wonderous music to that rotten core we call the charts.
Quote:Mojo Magazine, December 1999
DANGER! DEMOLITION IN PROGRESS
THE FINAL CUT
In 1980-81 "The Wall" played in Los Angeles, New York, Dortmund and London, returning to Earls Court to film footage ultimately not used in the movie. Then the band started work on "The Final Cut."
ROGER WATERS: I had complete control of 'The Final Cut.'
DAVID GILMOUR: That discussion came up on occasions. It wouldn't have been to the band's benefit for Roger to have total control, he wasn't up to it. He hasn't had huge success with anything over which he's had total control.
ROGER WATERS: The concept [of The Wall's theme influencing its author's behaviour] is a convenient view for people. It's a short step from leader to dictator. We're all volunteers. Nobody had to stay. Even during "The Final Cut," where everything finally exploded, I was always completely willing to make the record on my own. We'd been arguing since 1974, for God's sake. Too long. At a certain point you have to say, this is not working, the point has come to break up.
DAVID GILMOUR: Roger said it was over. I said I would probably make another record. He made it clear he wouldn't make another record with us; I made it clear that it was my intention so to do.
ROGER WATERS: I want people around me who are creative, lively, interested and interesting. Dave is none of those things. He doesn't have any ideas and he's not interested really in people who do, except insofar as they can write records that he can put his name on, which is what's been happening since I left.
NICK MASON: I would never have imagined that we could have carried on without him until Dave said, "We can. Let's have a go." The feeling was, It's not your band to kill.
ROGER WATERS: I didn't decide that the band would have to die. I expressed my view that that [it] would [have] been the best thing. I would be distressed if Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr made records and went on the road calling themselves The Beatles. If John Lennon's not in it, it's sacrilegious. I don't want to put words into Dave's mouth but from what I've read I have a suspicion his view would be that a lot of people would hold the view that it wasn't OK to go on calling the band Pink Floyd when Syd ceased to function. The body of work that the four of us produced together post-Syd has some of that connection to the same things that The Beatles' work has a connection to, and that for me makes Pink Floyd important. And to continue with Gilmour and Mason, getting in a whole bunch of other people to write the material, seems to me an insult to the work that came before. And that's why I wanted the name to retire.
they survived drugs, they survived a dear member being forced out by them, they survived glam, they survived ska, they survived punk, they survived disco, they survived metal and all its b.astards, they survived new romantics, they survived trash, they survived grunge, and by f.uck, they will always survive themselves.
whatever any interview they make individually, it will always be dissected by the music industry and fans alike. wether this interview appeals to you or not, just be happy in the sense that if pink floyd never get back together again, we still have thier individual tours to see while they are all alive.
and in my opinion, syd will survive them all.
- Dave_Tv - 07-29-2005 09:33 AM
Myriad Small Creature Wrote:While the quickie "soundbites" sell magazines, everyone here on the board would read the whole interview even if it were 20 pages. And the whole interview might provide a different context.
I read the whole MOJO 1999 interview, and Roger comes off looking....... well, let's not say it, you decide.
Read it yourself...... PINK FLOYD INTERVIEW
Mojo Magazine, December 1999 DANGER! DEMOLITION IN PROGRESS
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- etphonehomeyo - 07-29-2005 09:40 AM
if someone doesn't like certain music and they it sucks, i don't think that's a big deal. john lennon used to say he didn't like some of paul's stuff.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 09:42 AM
your not getting it, dave. its an interview, by an interviewer. he can say what he wants afterwards. its a form of propaganda. whos to say he was not a gilmour fan? ask yourself that. and answer it. im dying to here your view on interviewers,. if they said ' john lennon was bigger and better than jesus' would you believe them? and in what context would you take it?
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 09:43 AM
etphonehomeyo Wrote:yes. but some fans are assholesmesamay2003 Wrote:if someone doesn't like certain music and they it sucks, i don't think that's a big deal. john lennon used to say he didn't like some of paul's stuff.
- A New Machine - 07-29-2005 09:48 AM
mesamay2003 Wrote:I love Floyd, and both Roger and Dave, but that RS interview just shows me again that I could definately see that working with Roger would be near impossible...he always seems to have to go out of his way to knock others and make himself out to be the big shot genius of the band. Even if was the creative force behind PF, a little humility would go a long way...and learning that great bands are always a result of the sum of the parts, not any one individual. Rogers post PF albums should have taught him that lesson...written to perfection...
- Jumpy - 07-29-2005 09:52 AM
A New Machine Wrote:Written to perfection, unless you prefer Roger's solo works to the Water-less Floyd.mesamay2003 Wrote:I love Floyd, and both Roger and Dave, but that RS interview just shows me again that I could definately see that working with Roger would be near impossible...he always seems to have to go out of his way to knock others and make himself out to be the big shot genius of the band. Even if was the creative force behind PF, a little humility would go a long way...and learning that great bands are always a result of the sum of the parts, not any one individual. Rogers post PF albums should have taught him that lesson...written to perfection...
Look, we're not all going to agree. We like what we like, but it's the crossover -- the stuff that we ALL like -- that has us here. And that music wouldn't have happened without all four of them.
So, at least for today, I'm done picking apart interviews.
- Dave_Tv - 07-29-2005 09:54 AM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:your not getting it, dave. its an interview, by an interviewer. he can say what he wants afterwards. its a form of propaganda. whos to say he was not a gilmour fan? ask yourself that. and answer it. im dying to here your view on interviewers,. if they said ' john lennon was bigger and better than jesus' would you believe them? and in what context would you take it?In that MOJO interview...........those are quotes by the members, not the interviewers opinions.
I have no opinion of the interviewer. I do have an opinion of the quotes attributed to the persons.
- Jumpy - 07-29-2005 10:28 AM
Dave_Tv Wrote:I have no opinion of the interviewer. I do have an opinion of the quotes attributed to the persons.To not think one should have opinions of interviewers reflects a certain naivete about journalism.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 10:32 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Yeah. Its obvious that Dave did the majority of the muiscal compositions to Roger's lyrics but was only credited for Dogs and even then had to share credits with Roger.Jumpy Wrote:I respect your interest in Roger and suppose it is all just a matter of taste.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:As a musician that has listened to thousands of hours of pre-Of the three Floyd's, I think Gilmour's Floyd is the weakest link, but that's just my opinion.
and post-floyd, it is my opinion that musically Gilmour's Floyd is far superior.
If ticket sales = quality, Jimmy Buffet would be a musical genius.
Since I am a musician I hear thinks differently....It's my opinion
that the best of Roger always had Gilmour writing music to his
lyrics. No doubt, Roger can turn a phrase....but so can Andrew Loyd Webber. Come to think of it Roger hated him too.
- Dydion - 07-29-2005 10:59 AM
Y'all sound like Biblical scholars trying to analyze the Bible, word for word. :)
Roger has been far more caustic of the "other" Pink Floyd, and even Nick Mason said that The Division Bell was a lot more cohesive than AMLOR, and another album would probably take the same trend and be better than that.
But you notice that the interviewer didn't get Rog to try and qualify what he meant by "muck," either. He might not necessarily mean something mean-spirited by that. I personally can see how it applies to AMLOR and TDB in the sense that they were just a collection of different songs (some of them quite good, I have to add).
I think this interview is gonna piss Rick and Dave off and that will end any chance of a future cooperation between them all...unless they give interviews that basically agree with Roger... :laugh:
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- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 11:00 AM
Off topic but I think Roger should do covers for Heywood Banks' songs.
- pakistanifloyd - 07-29-2005 11:57 AM
Shocked !!!!
Had such a great time at live8 and we thought the band forgot the past ... but no it's our Waters striking again ...
I thought the interview was false, but no it's there on the web too ... so it's true ...
Now I really trust Dave & Rick by all means ...
Who played the fretless bass in The Wall ???? Even there it was the great Dave ... cause Roger asked him to do so ...
Why did Roger asked Dave to do arrangements and additions in The Wall tour ???
Roger really got jealous after post-waters shows !!! Cause Pulse is the best concert I've ever heard ... and only Dave can make such concerts possible ...
Long Live FLOYD !!!!!!!!
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 12:00 PM
I think Live At Pompeii was a much better performance. So eery.
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-29-2005 12:58 PM
pakistanifloyd Wrote:Cause Pulse is the best concert I've ever heard ... and only Dave can make such concerts possible ...I too believe Pulse was the best concert. The light and sound technology was much improved over previous tours and
digital technology was part of that. My favorite part was the
strobes built into Dave's Maestro Rovers....when they kick in
you get a strong visual with the sound of his guitar.
I have just two more things I'd like to add when comparing
Roger's Floyd to Dave's Floyd.
1) With Rogers Floyd....he'd fire everyone.
With Dave's Floyd....he brought the team together.
2) With Rogers Floyd....all that angst&depression brings you
down....way down.
With Dave's Floyd....you are pumped up and excited.
- 4-bagger - 07-29-2005 12:58 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:But if Roger wasn't such a jackass would he be as cool as he is? I think not! Just listen to Animals and tell me what it would be like if he was as nice as Dave!Exactly! Listening to Animals compared to The Division Bell is the rock and roll equivalency of listening to Beethoven's V compared to Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.
I myself say Rock And Let Rock.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 12:59 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:hehehehehe. excuse my laughter, but david bringing them together. your a david fan, i'll say no morepakistanifloyd Wrote:Cause Pulse is the best concert I've ever heard ... and only Dave can make such concerts possible ...I too believe Pulse was the best concert. The light and sound technology was much improved over previous tours and
digital technology was part of that. My favorite part was the
strobes built into Dave's Maestro Rovers....when they kick in
you get a strong visual with the sound of his guitar.
I have just two more things I'd like to add when comparing
Roger's Floyd to Dave's Floyd.
1) With Rogers Floyd....he'd fire everyone.
With Dave's Floyd....he brought the team together.
2) With Rogers Floyd....all that angst&depression brings you
down....way down.
With Dave's Floyd....you are pumped up and excited.
- pakistanifloyd - 07-29-2005 01:11 PM
Believe me Roger would have never allowed Dave to re-unite in live 8 if he was the controller of Floyd ...
Dave even asked him to join in the Pulse Dark Side Of The Moon part, but Roger refused ...
Dave even said 'We miss our old friend Roger' during the Pulse concert ...
Roger had no right to stop Dave & Rick contributions to Pink Floyd ... And why don't you compare 'The Final Cut' with 'Animals' ??? ... ofcourse this time you'll say 'we can't compare one album with the other ... isn't it ??? '
Some critics said 'After DSOT kind of mature album, TDB is another art album' ...
Keep talking ...............
PEACE
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 01:17 PM
pakistanifloyd Wrote:Believe me Roger would have never allowed Dave to re-unite in live 8 if he was the controller of Floyd ...my friend, you have asked for it. roger wrote both. am i right? one was released in 1977, the other in 1980. one was about animals (haw haw haw), the other was about the aftermath of a war. now.....if you ask me, both are brilliant albums in thier own right. IN THIER OWN RIGHT. one was about the state of england in 1977, the other about england in 1946.
Dave even asked him to join in the Pulse Dark Side Of The Moon part, but Roger refused ...
Dave even said 'We miss our old friend Roger' during the Pulse concert ...
Roger had no right to stop Dave & Rick contributions to Pink Floyd ... And why don't you compare 'The Final Cut' with 'Animals' ??? ... ofcourse this time you'll say 'we can't compare one album with the other ... isn't it ??? '
Some critics said 'After DSOT kind of mature album, TDB is another art album' ...
Keep talking ...............
PEACE
so let us summise! england, roger, desolation, pink floyd, guitar solos, and egos. both albums, on the outside, are the same.
now......you dissect them. and this time track for track
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 01:23 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:He's gotchya there...pakistanifloyd Wrote:Believe me Roger would have never allowed Dave to re-unite in live 8 if he was the controller of Floyd ...my friend, you have asked for it. roger wrote both. am i right? one was released in 1977, the other in 1980. one was about animals (haw haw haw), the other was about the aftermath of a war. now.....if you ask me, both are brilliant albums in thier own right. IN THIER OWN RIGHT. one was about the state of england in 1977, the other about england in 1946.
Dave even asked him to join in the Pulse Dark Side Of The Moon part, but Roger refused ...
Dave even said 'We miss our old friend Roger' during the Pulse concert ...
Roger had no right to stop Dave & Rick contributions to Pink Floyd ... And why don't you compare 'The Final Cut' with 'Animals' ??? ... ofcourse this time you'll say 'we can't compare one album with the other ... isn't it ??? '
Some critics said 'After DSOT kind of mature album, TDB is another art album' ...
Keep talking ...............
PEACE
so let us summise! england, roger, desolation, pink floyd, guitar solos, and egos. both albums, on the outside, are the same.
now......you dissect them. and this time track for track
- Kid-A - 07-29-2005 01:25 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:well you used that and made a string of insults against dave.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Dave is right.....Roger is a Prick.ermmmm.......who wrote this. the person who wrote the thread, or the person who wrote the interview. whoever did, is not a floyd fan. and let insults come to me. i said meltdown was crap, not david. so whoever it was, you should had editeed it before putting it either up, or in a rag. its obviousy a mindless idiot who did the interview, and took from it what he wanted. rogers interviews are usually sincere and true. but that last statement just goes to prove that he who wrote it is a biggotted b,astard.
P.S. His "great friend" Nick Griffiths died this year and He/Roger
was the only one that didn't show up at the funeral.
and my name is martin. just in case you want to attack me.
and p.s. did whoever wrote that last statement i would like to ask, were they at nicks funeral, and if not, why not?
and the only thing close to a reason you gave was he wasn't fully shaved :laugh:
- violeteyes - 07-29-2005 01:27 PM
Hi! I am new here, it is my first post...
Roger Waters is a master! with this interview he put all the attention on him! more power to Roger!
I think the only one who can tame Hurricane Roger is Syd but he is no interested on him anymore...
Excuse me my english is awful..
Violeteyes
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 01:29 PM
imagine having a name from a radiohead album!!!!!! one of thier worse too. why didnt you call youself pablo honey, or the bends. because thats where your sending everyone
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 01:31 PM
violeteyes Wrote:Excuse me my english is awful..Its okay. We'll give you love. :)
Violeteyes
- Kid-A - 07-29-2005 01:32 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:imagine having a name from a radiohead album!!!!!! one of thier worse too. why didnt you call youself pablo honey, or the bends. because thats where your sending everyonewow another childish insult, im impressed
- pakistanifloyd - 07-29-2005 01:32 PM
Welcome Roger fans on board!
I know Roger is the lyrical GENIUS!!!! He had the concepts & themes ...
But .....................
Dave is the King of all instruments, he's the Musical GENIUS!!! & He's the best arranger & He's the best Guitarist & above all he came in the band and shined & shines
Meddle was the album ... where together the Floyd worked & experimented and all four of them used each others influence later on ........
So Floyd Rules & So the King Dave!!!
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 01:32 PM
violeteyes Wrote:Hi! I am new here, it is my first post...yes. and there are a lot of sensible people in agreement with you. welcome. im sure you will find the right type of people here
Roger Waters is a master! with this interview he put all the attention on him! more power to Roger!
I think the only one who can tame Hurricane Roger is Syd but he is no interested on him anymore...
Excuse me my english is awful..
Violeteyes
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 01:33 PM
Gilmour is good but he can't touch Clapton on the guitar.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 01:44 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:Gilmour is good but he can't touch Clapton on the guitar.truth be told mate, i thik peter greene was bettter than them all. it was just a pity drugs took him early.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 01:46 PM
He's good but he's know Clapton. I like Tool's guitarist. Adam Jones rocks!
- violeteyes - 07-29-2005 01:56 PM
Thank you, you are very nice people
David Gilmour is a great guitar player a master in his art, but he can't show feelings, emotions, for me he is a really cold guy; I prefer Roger because he seems sincere, rude, but sincere, he shows his feelings, his angst, his opinions, he is not a fake. I think he was so moved in Live 8, and his voice was cracked for the emotion, for me was absolutely fantastic (other people criticized him) I am so moved when I hear singing WYWH anytime I play in the PC, I start to cry because this is the kind of connection do you want from your favorite artist. But is only my opinion, maybe the same emotions are provocated for David Gilmour in his fans. Long live to this very complicated and fascinated man.
Violeteyes
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 01:59 PM
that is a statement held true to every pink floyd fan. i dont think anyone on the board could have put it better. you are wiser beyond your years, and long may you stay here.
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- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 02:01 PM
Or is their halo just slipping down to choke her now?
Cyber pumpkin-pie to anyone who can guess how that is relevant to the discussion and what it is from!
- violeteyes - 07-29-2005 02:31 PM
Oh boy!
Like my beloved Bon Scott said
Kicked in the teeth again Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win
Kicked in the teeth again Ain't this misery ever gonna end?
Violeteyes
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 02:32 PM
I guess your not a fan of A Perfect Circle?
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-29-2005 02:35 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:Or is their halo just slipping down to choke her now?is that anything to do with 'a perfect circle'?
Cyber pumpkin-pie to anyone who can guess how that is relevant to the discussion and what it is from!
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 02:36 PM
Yes. Great band. Maynard is a genius.
- violeteyes - 07-29-2005 02:39 PM
Like I said I love artists who put me in emotions and motion.
Violeteyes
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 02:40 PM
Then you should love them (eMOTIVE).
- violeteyes - 07-29-2005 02:46 PM
I like "Judith", "The hollow" and "Thinking of you" but that's all
Violeteyes
- wiez - 07-29-2005 02:56 PM
And so the great divide continues. Can't you see you are perpetrating the division? It goes on and on. No one person is Floyd. No two people are Floyd. They all bring a certain magic that makes Floyd. That magic comes from the individual artists. Each with their own gift. Rogers spirit brings us those wonderous lyrics and journeys that take us to places that we can barely imagine. Daves quitar does the same. If people say Gilmour is cold, I would disagree. Listen to his melodies. He might not express it in words or facial expression, but it is there. I think he does express it in his lyrics also which are just as genius as Rogers. He just doesn't give such an inflamatory interview. So let us agree that this is possibly one of the most profound music experiences of the 21st century.
- 4-bagger - 07-29-2005 03:01 PM
"In Pink Floyd I was being savaged -- because Dave [Gilmour] and Rick [Wright] were kind of insecure, they'd always try to attack me, saying I sang out of tune or I couldn't really play. I said something about that to Eric, and he said, "Are you ******* crazy? You're a great bass player." I went, "Oh, yeah, maybe I am."
Roger jams on the bass! Listen to Pigs (3 different ones) if you're not convinced. He may not have the technical skills of a Flea or Claypool, but then again I'm pretty sure both of those dudes see Roger as an elder statesmen of bassists. If Roger is telling the truth about Dave and Rick dissing his playing and singing, we should respect his tolerance for not kicking both of their asses!
- Skol - 07-29-2005 03:54 PM
4-bagger Wrote:"In Pink Floyd I was being savaged -- because Dave [Gilmour] and Rick [Wright] were kind of insecure, they'd always try to attack me, saying I sang out of tune or I couldn't really play. I said something about that to Eric, and he said, "Are you ******* crazy? You're a great bass player." I went, "Oh, yeah, maybe I am."This is Rolling Stone remember. They have a pathelogical hatred of anything PF. Roger probably said...
Roger jams on the bass! Listen to Pigs (3 different ones) if you're not convinced. He may not have the technical skills of a Flea or Claypool, but then again I'm pretty sure both of those dudes see Roger as an elder statesmen of bassists. If Roger is telling the truth about Dave and Rick dissing his playing and singing, we should respect his tolerance for not kicking both of their asses!
"Dave and Rick were perfectionists so they came down a little hard on me when it came to the musical side of things since that was their forte. Eric Clapton really built my confidence back up by reassuring me that I was a great bass player until I began to think "Oh, yeah, maybe I am". I still love the other three guys though and really want to do another world tour. Hey, i'll roll over and even do songs of A Momentary Lapse of Talent...I mean Reason and The Division Bell!"
:;):
But don't quote me on that
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- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 03:57 PM
LOL! But all joking aside, is it true Rolling Stone hate Floyd and if so why?
- Skol - 07-29-2005 04:01 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:LOL! But all joking aside, is it true Rolling Stone hate Floyd and if so why?They might aswell. Floyd and Zeppelin never get the recognition they deserve from Rolling Stone and never have. I think PF weren't in their top 100 artists of all time feature.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 04:03 PM
They weren't I bought it expecting to see Floyd in at least the top 15 or so and they weren't even there. It was a bit shocking.
- violeteyes - 07-29-2005 04:24 PM
The Rolling Stone magazine only likes the flash in the pan not the diamond's shine
Violeteyes
- wiez - 07-29-2005 05:44 PM
My daughter thinks it's a rag, therefore it is about the only mag we don't have a script to.
- Philintheflesh - 07-29-2005 07:02 PM
violeteyes Wrote:David Gilmour is a great guitar player a master in his art, but he can't show feelings, emotions, for me he is a really cold guy; I prefer Roger because he seems sincere, rude, but sincere, he shows his feelings, his angst, his opinions, he is not a fake. Long live to this very complicated and fascinated man.Oh Violeteyes, words of such wisdom for one so young in posts.
Violeteyes
- mattmc1973 - 07-29-2005 07:17 PM
Violeteyes, are you Roger Waters in cognito?
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 07:22 PM
Yeah...
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 07:23 PM
Nah, the real Roger would be a fan of A Perfect Circle.
- violeteyes - 07-29-2005 07:37 PM
No, I am not Roger...
I am Paz Lenchatin...
Violeteyes
- etphonehomeyo - 07-29-2005 09:46 PM
violeteyes Wrote:I prefer Roger because he seems sincere, rude, but sincere, he shows his feelings, his angst, his opinions, he is not a fake.i agree 100%
- etphonehomeyo - 07-29-2005 09:52 PM
wiez Wrote:I think he does express it in his lyrics also which are just as genius as Rogers.i had to reread this about three times because i thought i had to be reading it wrong, but i wasn't. roger's lyrics genius? obviously. dave's lyrics genius? this is where i thought i was reading incorrectly.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 10:13 PM
Yeah. He's good but he's not great.
- Dave_Tv - 07-29-2005 10:24 PM
I love this qoute from Rick, about the Wall.....
Quote: But there were some things about it where I thought, "Oh no, here we go again - it's all about the war, about his mother, about his father being lost." I'd hoped he could get through all of this and eventually he could deal with other stuff, but he had a fixation... Every song was written in the same tempo, same key, same everything. Possibly if we were not in this financial situation we might have said, "Well, we don't like these songs," and things might have been different. But Roger had this material, Dave and I didn't have any, so we'll do it.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-29-2005 10:28 PM
Heh. Roger is a bit obsessed with a handful of subjects isn't he?
- FelicityKendall'sUnderwear - 07-29-2005 10:29 PM
etphonehomeyo Wrote:I think Dave is sincere. Just because he's a nice guy, doesn't automatically make him insincere. He just doesn't bitch and moan, the way Roger tends to. You CAN be sincere, without sounding like a jerk.violeteyes Wrote:I prefer Roger because he seems sincere, rude, but sincere, he shows his feelings, his angst, his opinions, he is not a fake.i agree 100%
Ah, grudges! Gotta love em. :laugh:
- Woof Oink Baaa - 07-30-2005 12:40 AM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:...is it true Rolling Stone hate Floyd and if so why?I don't think so. My friend and I were talking about the Rock N' Roll Hall Of Fame inductions a couple of months ago. He told me that Rolling Stone gets about 90% of the vote. If this is true, then RS must have some liking towards PF.
- wiez - 07-30-2005 08:10 AM
Maybe Roger has an obsessive compulsive personality, like Howard Hughs. It wouldn't surprise me and would explain alot of his behaviour and genius.
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-30-2005 09:48 AM
I think he's been mad for years..fuking years.....
Maybe he can room in with Syd.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-30-2005 09:55 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I think he's been mad for years..fuking years.....do you think that statement is fair, buddy. in all honesty, you havnt contributed one good word to any member in pink floyd in this thread. now.......its probably your manner to wind people up. so be it. but what you are achieving is turning good people against you.
Maybe he can room in with Syd.
are you a real pink floyd fan? or are you one of these no-hopers that join a site to get on peoples nerves?
- Woof Oink Baaa - 07-30-2005 11:03 AM
From what I've read of his posts, I think the latter.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-30-2005 11:07 AM
I think thats a little bit harsh.
- wiez - 07-30-2005 11:08 AM
Hey, I like AG. He says what he is thinking. He's honest. The point of a forum is not to blow smoke up your ass, but to voice ones opinion. Besides, I enjoy his posts.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-30-2005 11:15 AM
thats fair enough. but what i think, and in my opinion, this chap is winding people up. its probably his way of putting things (hes probably a journalist). but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. wob agrees with me. we are all here to stick together. i sounded off yesterday and took it back. roger happens to be my fav flodian (after syd) , thats not saying i dont like the rest of the band.
if it sounds harsh, so do his posts. i happen to disagree with the way he is putting things. im irish. you are (mostly american. two different cultures. i doubt agree with they way he puts things, just like sometimes you dont agree with the way i put things. we should all learn by our mistakes and by eachother. otherwise, this site wll turn nasty. i know. ive seen it. so im just asking ag. stop and think before you write anything. it can cause discontent among other users.
ps. we all have our opinion, including ag.
- Dave_Tv - 07-30-2005 11:17 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I think he's been mad for years..I agree with this.
Anybody can plainly see that Roger has had emotional and mental problems for many years.
You can see it clearly in his lyrics, from being raised by a widowed mom, the death of his father, the war, blaming his fathers death on the war, talk of suicide, becoming angry with the audience, spitting on them, wanting to erect a wall to divide himself from the audience, alienating the rest of the band, and on and on.
Clearly mad. :ghostface:
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-30-2005 11:18 AM
Dave_Tv Wrote:did you know he was diagnosed with bi-polar? and if you know this, you are maybe a bi-polar yourself. and im not getting at you. as i said before, i am. so i know what it is like. so ive been mad for years, ****.ing years. but remember, roger didnt say these words, roger the hat did.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I think he's been mad for years..I agree with this.
Anybody can plainly see that Roger has had emotional and mental problems for many years.
You can see it clearly in his lyrics, from being raised by a widowed mom, the death of his father, the war, blaming his fathers death on the war, talk of suicide, becoming angry with the audience, spitting on them, wanting to erect a wall to divide himself from the audience, alienating the rest of the band, and on and on.
Clearly mad. :ghostface:
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- AndersonCouncill - 07-30-2005 11:20 AM
There is no such thing as a person who is not "clearly mad".
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-30-2005 12:13 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:thats fair enough. but what i think, and in my opinion, this chap is winding people up. its probably his way of putting things (hes probably a journalist). but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. wob agrees with me. we are all here to stick together. i sounded off yesterday and took it back. roger happens to be my fav flodian (after syd) , thats not saying i dont like the rest of the band.I think you have been drinking......heavily.
if it sounds harsh, so do his posts. i happen to disagree with the way he is putting things. im irish. you are (mostly american. two different cultures. i doubt agree with they way he puts things, just like sometimes you dont agree with the way i put things. we should all learn by our mistakes and by eachother. otherwise, this site wll turn nasty. i know. ive seen it. so im just asking ag. stop and think before you write anything. it can cause discontent among other users.
ps. we all have our opinion, including ag.
And one thing I have learned over the years is to Not argue
with a drunk. Most especially the irish ones.
- Alternate Gilmour - 07-30-2005 12:23 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I think he's been mad for years..fuking years.....And here I thought I was just being clever playing with
Maybe he can room in with Syd.
Rogers own line from dsotm.......
I love Roger and Syd enough to also appreciate the irony
of them both going bonkers together in the end.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-30-2005 12:26 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:lmao...hic:Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:thats fair enough. but what i think, and in my opinion, this chap is winding people up. its probably his way of putting things (hes probably a journalist). but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. wob agrees with me. we are all here to stick together. i sounded off yesterday and took it back. roger happens to be my fav flodian (after syd) , thats not saying i dont like the rest of the band.I think you have been drinking......heavily.
if it sounds harsh, so do his posts. i happen to disagree with the way he is putting things. im irish. you are (mostly american. two different cultures. i doubt agree with they way he puts things, just like sometimes you dont agree with the way i put things. we should all learn by our mistakes and by eachother. otherwise, this site wll turn nasty. i know. ive seen it. so im just asking ag. stop and think before you write anything. it can cause discontent among other users.
ps. we all have our opinion, including ag.
And one thing I have learned over the years is to Not argue
with a drunk. Most especially the irish ones.
- wiez - 07-30-2005 01:37 PM
hic, hic :p
Besides, sanity is relative. Like my signature says "open your eyes...realize.....you are not dead".
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- wiez - 07-30-2005 01:40 PM
Addendum: How sane are you if you are posting on a Floyd Message Board?
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-30-2005 01:53 PM
alladin sane [sic] hic :Oo:
- pakistanifloyd - 07-30-2005 04:59 PM
Dave_Tv Wrote:Absolutely right!Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I think he's been mad for years..I agree with this.
Anybody can plainly see that Roger has had emotional and mental problems for many years.
You can see it clearly in his lyrics, from being raised by a widowed mom, the death of his father, the war, blaming his fathers death on the war, talk of suicide, becoming angry with the audience, spitting on them, wanting to erect a wall to divide himself from the audience, alienating the rest of the band, and on and on.
Clearly mad. :ghostface:
I was shocked to see Waters being so rude after having such a nice time at Live 8 with the band, it's really sad, Waters is an extremist, actually.
Alternate Gilmour have every right to post his ideas & we welcome his ideas ... we appricate ... !!!
Keep talking ....
PEACE
- mesamay2003 - 07-30-2005 06:00 PM
I agree...it seems that Scream Thy Last Scream just thinks that Roger can do no wrong...ever...
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-02-2005 10:31 AM
Thanks guys.....I missed a few days as I was on the road.
I'm glad you folks were there for me. You guys are great!!
As a side note: while on the road I was telling my bandmates
about the Waters interview....I think we were all wondering if
Roger has ever sought out professional help.
We also surmised that his art might suffer if he ever did or was
cured of his depression.
I know this may sound horrible but if it came down to a choice
of his ability to create great works of music and poetry OR happiness....I'm not sure what I would wish for?! I know this may say something terrible about me but I'm just not sure of the right thing here.
What do you guys think?
- pointmeatthesky - 08-02-2005 10:35 AM
I think everyone here is being far to hard on roger, i read the interview and i just do not see what is so bad about it!
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-02-2005 11:00 AM
pointmeatthesky Wrote:I think everyone here is being far to hard on roger, i read the interview and i just do not see what is so bad about it!Hi,
I'm looking at your name: "pointmeatthesky" and I am wondering if you meant to use "meets" instead of "meat"?
Did you miss the point?
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-02-2005 11:08 AM
mesamay2003 Wrote:I agree...it seems that Scream Thy Last Scream just thinks that Roger can do no wrong...ever...and it seems to some people on this board that gilmour can do no wrong. as usual, theres a rift between floyd fans here. but certain blokes fuel the fire with attitude problems. i see that interview as a blatant show to use roger as a tool against pink floyd. and some of you fools actually go along with that asshole of an interviwer. i actually thought this post was over, but obviously its not. alternate gilmour...if your band is like your hierarchy attitude, i dread to think what you sound like.
and yes, i am of the opinion that roger can do no wrong.....have you seen meltdown. then compare it with in the fles. have you seen gilmours backing musicians? then look at rogers. i think everyone who is neutral prefers rogers concerts over gilmours snobbery.
continue this if you will. but its a divide that was here before most of you were born. because you play in a band means f.uck all to me. ive been there and done that. i know what its like to play floyd onstage. your no better than the rest of us alternate. your s.hit still stinks
- pic3789 - 08-02-2005 11:09 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:come on Point Me at the Sky was a single released in '68pointmeatthesky Wrote:I think everyone here is being far to hard on roger, i read the interview and i just do not see what is so bad about it!Hi,
I'm looking at your name: "pointmeatthesky" and I am wondering if you meant to use "meets" instead of "meat"?
Did you miss the point?
what kind of Floydian are you?
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-02-2005 11:18 AM
pic3789 Wrote:OK...my bad...so sorry.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:come on Point Me at the Sky was a single released in '68pointmeatthesky Wrote:I think everyone here is being far to hard on roger, i read the interview and i just do not see what is so bad about it!Hi,
I'm looking at your name: "pointmeatthesky" and I am wondering if you meant to use "meets" instead of "meat"?
Did you miss the point?
what kind of Floydian are you?
I'm really bad at titles and names.
Was that Syds-Floyd? ...afraid I ignore most of his stuff.
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-02-2005 11:19 AM
Looks like I missed the point on that one...haha
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-02-2005 11:25 AM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:I would like to debate with you but you seem too irrational.mesamay2003 Wrote:I agree...it seems that Scream Thy Last Scream just thinks that Roger can do no wrong...ever...and it seems to some people on this board that gilmour can do no wrong. as usual, theres a rift between floyd fans here. but certain blokes fuel the fire with attitude problems. i see that interview as a blatant show to use roger as a tool against pink floyd. and some of you fools actually go along with that asshole of an interviwer. i actually thought this post was over, but obviously its not. alternate gilmour...if your band is like your hierarchy attitude, i dread to think what you sound like.
and yes, i am of the opinion that roger can do no wrong.....have you seen meltdown. then compare it with in the fles. have you seen gilmours backing musicians? then look at rogers. i think everyone who is neutral prefers rogers concerts over gilmours snobbery.
continue this if you will. but its a divide that was here before most of you were born. because you play in a band means f.uck all to me. ive been there and done that. i know what its like to play floyd onstage. your no better than the rest of us alternate. your s.hit still stinks
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-02-2005 12:02 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:lol im irrational. have you a mirror handy, chuck? i dare you to look at it. you dont know or like syds stuff? why are you on this board for? answers here pleaseScream Thy Last Scream Wrote:I would like to debate with you but you seem too irrational.mesamay2003 Wrote:I agree...it seems that Scream Thy Last Scream just thinks that Roger can do no wrong...ever...and it seems to some people on this board that gilmour can do no wrong. as usual, theres a rift between floyd fans here. but certain blokes fuel the fire with attitude problems. i see that interview as a blatant show to use roger as a tool against pink floyd. and some of you fools actually go along with that asshole of an interviwer. i actually thought this post was over, but obviously its not. alternate gilmour...if your band is like your hierarchy attitude, i dread to think what you sound like.
and yes, i am of the opinion that roger can do no wrong.....have you seen meltdown. then compare it with in the fles. have you seen gilmours backing musicians? then look at rogers. i think everyone who is neutral prefers rogers concerts over gilmours snobbery.
continue this if you will. but its a divide that was here before most of you were born. because you play in a band means f.uck all to me. ive been there and done that. i know what its like to play floyd onstage. your no better than the rest of us alternate. your s.hit still stinks
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- pakistanifloyd - 08-02-2005 12:10 PM
good joke! Roger better than Dave on stage ..... ha ha ha
dunno why Roger handed over the Wall Live concert arrangements to Dave ...
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-02-2005 12:28 PM
ermmmmmm he didnt. you havnt done your homework. now you two go and do something helpful to the rest of the members of this site and upload a bootleg.
- pakistanifloyd - 08-02-2005 12:36 PM
aaaaah !
A better post atlast!
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-02-2005 04:03 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:ermmmmmm he didnt. you havnt done your homework. now you two go and do something helpful to the rest of the members of this site and upload a bootleg.It's a fact that Gilmour had the job of musical director for the
Live "Wall" productions. He was the only one with the skill to
teach and direct the whole thing. He has repeated that role several times since.
Roger worked with the Movie Production as an advisor.
One might argue which was the most successful.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-02-2005 04:08 PM
listen you. you are a fool. and so is pakistanifloyd. roger LOST the battle. but he wrote the wall. he owns the rights. and lets gilmour play it. AND he wrote dark side. and at he end of the session both on pulse and dsot, gilmour thanks him.
so think twice before you argue with me about floyd, because im a master and a know-it-all about this group.
so shut the f.uck up and move on. ok
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- mattmc1973 - 08-02-2005 04:46 PM
Roger wrote the LYRICS to The Wall. He, and apparently many other people, think music is just about lyrics. Roger sees music as simply a vehicle to convey his lyrics. I once read a comparison of Dave vs. Roger that stated something like "Roger would rather use the same piece of music 5 times to convey different lyrics, while Dave would rather use the same lyrics 5 times with different music." Roger is all about concepts, ideas, and lyrics. Nothing wrong with that, if that's your preference. Dave is admittedly not the lyricist Roger is, but is a better musician, composer, arranger, and singer. So if that's your preference, Dave's your man. I prefer that latter, so I'm a Dave fan. I prefer Meltdown to any solo Roger performance because I enjoy Dave's singing and playing. Simple as that.
As far as The Wall, did Roger tell Dave how to play the guitar solos in "Comfortably Numb" and "Another Brick In The Wall"? I doubt it. And those are 2 of the most famous solos in music history, and highlights of the album. Did he tell him how to play those beautiful, reverbing chords in "Run Like Hell"? Overall, Dave's guitar work on The Wall is stellar, and to me is integral to the quality and success of that album, and something that he gets no credit for because people only point to the fact that Roger wrote the lyrics. And would half the songs sound as good without Dave singing them? Again, probably not. Again, it depends on who you believe and whose side of the story you believe. According to Roger, he did everything. Period. According to Dave, he contributed greatly to The Wall, but Roger didn't want anyone to get a songwriting credit in edgewise. In the end, Dave did get 4 songwriting credits on The Wall, and they're arguably the 4 best songs on the album. He was once quoted as saying "I don't care what Roger says, I was all over that album." Again, depends on whose side you believe. As with most things in life, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
So don't be too quick to dismiss Dave's contributions to The Wall, he was likely far more involved than Roger would ever admit. And one thing Roger cannot take away from Dave is Dave's great singing, composing, and guitar work on the album, which helped make it the success it was/is.
- Sydney - 08-02-2005 04:55 PM
David did have a great contributions guitar wise on the album, but it's Roger who came up with the entire concept. He wrote The Wall while the others were all off doing solo work, according to Nick's book. Roger's a great artist, David is too. They both have different specialties, Roger writes amazing lyrics and Dave rocks the guitar. Okay? Both are cool and both worked together to make Pink Floyd and their albums legendary.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-03-2005 04:09 AM
Sydney Wrote:David did have a great contributions guitar wise on the album, but it's Roger who came up with the entire concept. He wrote The Wall while the others were all off doing solo work, according to Nick's book. Roger's a great artist, David is too. They both have different specialties, Roger writes amazing lyrics and Dave rocks the guitar. Okay? Both are cool and both worked together to make Pink Floyd and their albums legendary.total agreement with you on this. i never doubted davids input into the wall.
- Jumpy - 08-03-2005 05:20 AM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:Here. Here. Just thought I'd add another voice of reason to counter the voices of complete insanity in this thread.Sydney Wrote:David did have a great contributions guitar wise on the album, but it's Roger who came up with the entire concept. He wrote The Wall while the others were all off doing solo work, according to Nick's book. Roger's a great artist, David is too. They both have different specialties, Roger writes amazing lyrics and Dave rocks the guitar. Okay? Both are cool and both worked together to make Pink Floyd and their albums legendary.total agreement with you on this. i never doubted davids input into the wall.
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-03-2005 10:46 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Thanks guys.....I missed a few days as I was on the road.I would like to try and bring this point back up. If it came to a choice of crazy waters that writes or cured roger with no angst or material, which would you choose?
I'm glad you folks were there for me. You guys are great!!
As a side note: while on the road I was telling my bandmates
about the Waters interview....I think we were all wondering if
Roger has ever sought out professional help.
We also surmised that his art might suffer if he ever did or was
cured of his depression.
I know this may sound horrible but if it came down to a choice
of his ability to create great works of music and poetry OR happiness....I'm not sure what I would wish for?! I know this may say something terrible about me but I'm just not sure of the right thing here.
What do you guys think?
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-03-2005 10:53 AM
the latter. he is probably on medication, but i wouldnt say he is the only one that is between the five members. and just as a cooled down reference to your question, who is it to question anybodys mental state except that persons family and his doctors?
if someone you didnt know questioned your mental state, would you take it with a pinch of salt?
i wish this didnt continue, as i feel there are more important topics to talk about than a member of my fav band's mental health. i'll ask again, alternategilmore. have you any bootlegs to upload to the site?
and ps, you name seems to be a mental health issue. just what is an'alternate gilmour'?
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- pointmeatthesky - 08-03-2005 11:04 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:who are you to say that he even has a problem, for gosh sakes! Anywho, i would rather have the happy, talented roger.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Thanks guys.....I missed a few days as I was on the road.I would like to try and bring this point back up. If it came to a choice of crazy waters that writes or cured roger with no angst or material, which would you choose?
I'm glad you folks were there for me. You guys are great!!
As a side note: while on the road I was telling my bandmates
about the Waters interview....I think we were all wondering if
Roger has ever sought out professional help.
We also surmised that his art might suffer if he ever did or was
cured of his depression.
I know this may sound horrible but if it came down to a choice
of his ability to create great works of music and poetry OR happiness....I'm not sure what I would wish for?! I know this may say something terrible about me but I'm just not sure of the right thing here.
What do you guys think?
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-03-2005 11:16 AM
pointmeatthesky Wrote:Earlier in this thread someone laid it out pretty well.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:who are you to say that he even has a problem, for gosh sakes! Anywho, i would rather have the happy, talented roger.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Thanks guys.....I missed a few days as I was on the road.I would like to try and bring this point back up. If it came to a choice of crazy waters that writes or cured roger with no angst or material, which would you choose?
I'm glad you folks were there for me. You guys are great!!
As a side note: while on the road I was telling my bandmates
about the Waters interview....I think we were all wondering if
Roger has ever sought out professional help.
We also surmised that his art might suffer if he ever did or was
cured of his depression.
I know this may sound horrible but if it came down to a choice
of his ability to create great works of music and poetry OR happiness....I'm not sure what I would wish for?! I know this may say something terrible about me but I'm just not sure of the right thing here.
What do you guys think?
If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
- Jumpy - 08-03-2005 11:20 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:You must be one such "type," since you have 153 posts on this site. Seems to be "reasonating" quite well for you A-G.pointmeatthesky Wrote:Earlier in this thread someone laid it out pretty well.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:who are you to say that he even has a problem, for gosh sakes! Anywho, i would rather have the happy, talented roger.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Thanks guys.....I missed a few days as I was on the road.I would like to try and bring this point back up. If it came to a choice of crazy waters that writes or cured roger with no angst or material, which would you choose?
I'm glad you folks were there for me. You guys are great!!
As a side note: while on the road I was telling my bandmates
about the Waters interview....I think we were all wondering if
Roger has ever sought out professional help.
We also surmised that his art might suffer if he ever did or was
cured of his depression.
I know this may sound horrible but if it came down to a choice
of his ability to create great works of music and poetry OR happiness....I'm not sure what I would wish for?! I know this may say something terrible about me but I'm just not sure of the right thing here.
What do you guys think?
If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-03-2005 11:48 AM
you have a habit of jumping in with idiotic flames.
whatever number of posts I have made have at least had substance.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-03-2005 11:52 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:you have a habit of jumping in with idiotic flames.your right, the number of posts doesnt matter.
whatever number of posts I have made have at least had substance.
but the way you speak about rogers health and other members does. i seem to think that you have a habit of carrying on something thats should be left alone, and so do other members of this board.
and we are all 'types' here. otherwise it would be boring.
- Jumpy - 08-03-2005 11:59 AM
Jumpy Wrote:I seriously can't believe you would write this, and then follow it up with an accusation that my posts are idiotic and flaming.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
What next? "Get him up against the wall!"?
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-03-2005 12:19 PM
Jumpy Wrote:right on, brother. ag. i think you should give it a rest now. say something positive about your fav bass player please (or bass player in your fav group)Jumpy Wrote:I seriously can't believe you would write this, and then follow it up with an accusation that my posts are idiotic and flaming.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
What next? "Get him up against the wall!"?
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-03-2005 12:32 PM
Jumpy Wrote:there you go again.....please stop.Jumpy Wrote:I seriously can't believe you would write this, and then follow it up with an accusation that my posts are idiotic and flaming.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
What next? "Get him up against the wall!"?
- Jumpy - 08-03-2005 12:46 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:OK... how about this:Jumpy Wrote:there you go again.....please stop.Jumpy Wrote:I seriously can't believe you would write this, and then follow it up with an accusation that my posts are idiotic and flaming.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
What next? "Get him up against the wall!"?
Boy it sure would be nice if a certain poster would stop labeling me as a certain "type" of individual who tends to be drawn to music that some other "types" of people would label as music for mentally unstable people, while at the same time, this certain "type" of person is posting just as regularly on the very same message board as my own "type" of person.
Does that water it down enough for ya? ???
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-03-2005 01:41 PM
Let's interpret what you are saying for the regular people.
"Blah,blah,blah,blah...toke.....blah,blah,blah,blah...toke...blah,blah,blah,blah.
- Dave_Tv - 08-03-2005 09:07 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Let's interpret what you are saying for the regular people.Now that's funny.
"Blah,blah,blah,blah...toke.....blah,blah,blah,blah...toke...blah,blah,blah,blah.
I don't care who you are, that there is funny. :laugh:
- docterdocter - 08-03-2005 09:43 PM
I find it disturbing that some people on here make references to Blue Collared Comedy. Which to set the record straight, is the most mindless and idiotic form of comedy that only pin points the exact shameful characteristics of what I call a southern man. Not humerous at all, only sad, very sad.
- pointmeatthesky - 08-03-2005 09:45 PM
docterdocter Wrote:I find it disturbing that some people on here make references to Blue Collared Comedy. Which to set the record straight, is the most mindless and idiotic form of comedy that only pin points the exact shameful characteristics of what I call a southern man. Not humerous at all, only sad, very sad.YES! YES! I totally agree with you!
- High Mesa Floyd - 08-03-2005 10:03 PM
You know, I'm surprised Roger said he didnt like Radiohead's Amnesiac album. You would think You and Whose Army would be right up his ally, since its anti Tony Blair.
- artie_fufkin - 08-03-2005 10:32 PM
I've just read through these messages, and it's pretty messy, so I won't really get involved too much. I am a Floyd fan, like all of their stuff, and it's all got something to it that I find redeeming. I can't say the same for ALL of the solo works, so there is something to the dynamic energy they all made while working together. It's been an evolving and growing band since its inception, and I enjoy it all.
For those who are interested in seeing more comments from the band, check this out:
http://www.pinkfloydonline.com/discography/thewall.html
...It's out of context, so it may seem offensive to those who love certain band members more than others, but I offer the link just the same. It's an interesting collection of "snapshots" of what the guys were thinking, even if not really complete.
- artie_fufkin - 08-03-2005 10:51 PM
docterdocter Wrote:I find it disturbing that some people on here make references to Blue Collared Comedy. Which to set the record straight, is the most mindless and idiotic form of comedy that only pin points the exact shameful characteristics of what I call a southern man. Not humerous at all, only sad, very sad.Doc...
Don't find it disturbing! It's Blue Collar Comedy (not "Collared" - which sounds like "collard," and we folks from the south sure do love our collard greens!), and it's certainly as funny as Andrew "Dice" Clay. It's funny - I don't care WHO y'are!
Now, I WILL say, I don't like it when Yankees have the silly pre-judged notion that everyone from south of the Mason-Dixon line has no teeth, fancies himself as a cowboy, and is easily compared to certain characters from the movie "Deliverance." That's disturbing - but it hasn't happened in this thread yet (I think, anyway), so it's all good... unless, of course, you're saying that Southern men are automatically full of shameful characteristics because they were born or raised in a certain location that you don't like. Then we may have to have some words...
"Call me TATER SALAD." :)
- Jumpy - 08-04-2005 06:57 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Let's interpret what you are saying for the regular people.I wish! :;):
"Blah,blah,blah,blah...toke.....blah,blah,blah,blah...toke...blah,blah,blah,blah.
- wiez - 08-04-2005 07:22 AM
"we were traveling at half the speed of smell"...."if the plane crashes, we will get there 20 minutes before the paramedics"....
Ron White
Blue Collar Comedy Tour
- Sydney - 08-04-2005 08:11 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:[quote="pointmeatthesky"][quote="Alternate Gilmour"]What? Because Waters critizes society he's suddenly crazy. That's absurd! The point of being artist, whether it be a writer or a musician or a painter is to portray a message.
Earlier in this thread someone laid it out pretty well.
If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
Let's see, In "Money" Water's is portraying thatr the valuie of money and ther greed associated with it is absurd, pepole value money over their fellow man. Fitzgerald has the same message in "The Great Gatsby", does that make Fitzgerald crazy too?
The whole idea of The Final Cut is to look at how that promised "post-war dream" wasn't achieved, and he's critizing the general-good feeling over the Falkland Wars, a seemingly pointless and worthless conflict. In Hamlet Shakespeare points out the same thing with The Poles and the Norweigians fighting over land not large enough to bury the men who will die in the fight. Is Shakespeare insane too?
Roger does what every songwriter with half his talent should do, point out problems nobody sees. He's not crazy, he's a brilliant commentator of society.
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-04-2005 01:57 PM
Sydney Wrote:doH!Alternate Gilmour Wrote:[quote="pointmeatthesky"][quote="Alternate Gilmour"]What? Because Waters critizes society he's suddenly crazy. That's absurd! The point of being artist, whether it be a writer or a musician or a painter is to portray a message.
Earlier in this thread someone laid it out pretty well.
If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
Let's see, In "Money" Water's is portraying thatr the valuie of money and ther greed associated with it is absurd, pepole value money over their fellow man. Fitzgerald has the same message in "The Great Gatsby", does that make Fitzgerald crazy too?
The whole idea of The Final Cut is to look at how that promised "post-war dream" wasn't achieved, and he's critizing the general-good feeling over the Falkland Wars, a seemingly pointless and worthless conflict. In Hamlet Shakespeare points out the same thing with The Poles and the Norweigians fighting over land not large enough to bury the men who will die in the fight. Is Shakespeare insane too?
Roger does what every songwriter with half his talent should do, point out problems nobody sees. He's not crazy, he's a brilliant commentator of society.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-04-2005 02:16 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:im gonna ask ya again, old man with the uzi, what does your name mean. ''aternate gilmour.''. now, lets see. altrnate means the opposite, as in white-black, dark-light, night-day, etcetera etcetera etcetera.....Sydney Wrote:doH!Alternate Gilmour Wrote:[quote="pointmeatthesky"][quote="Alternate Gilmour"]What? Because Waters critizes society he's suddenly crazy. That's absurd! The point of being artist, whether it be a writer or a musician or a painter is to portray a message.
Earlier in this thread someone laid it out pretty well.
If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
Let's see, In "Money" Water's is portraying thatr the valuie of money and ther greed associated with it is absurd, pepole value money over their fellow man. Fitzgerald has the same message in "The Great Gatsby", does that make Fitzgerald crazy too?
The whole idea of The Final Cut is to look at how that promised "post-war dream" wasn't achieved, and he's critizing the general-good feeling over the Falkland Wars, a seemingly pointless and worthless conflict. In Hamlet Shakespeare points out the same thing with The Poles and the Norweigians fighting over land not large enough to bury the men who will die in the fight. Is Shakespeare insane too?
Roger does what every songwriter with half his talent should do, point out problems nobody sees. He's not crazy, he's a brilliant commentator of society.
gilmour, as put in context, is david gilmour. guitarist and vocalist with well known band since the sixties, pink floyd.
so......your name actually means the ''opposite'' to ''gilmour''. now if thats the case the oppsite to gilmour in most of your posts to date is roger waters.
therefore....your name actually means roger waters, does it not. if this is so, wtf are you getting on peoples nerves about roger and his PERSONAL health. when you cant answer some posts given back to you, all you can do is come out with all i can describe is ignorant and childish whinges and rantings.
are you a doctor? or perhaps someone in the clrical side of mankind? because that is what i think you are. a stuffed up moneygrabber that has nothing bvetter to do with his remaining years but sit by his pc and slag off individuals oin the internet.
''and then one day you'll find
ten years have dropped behind you
no one told youi when to run
you missed the starting gun..........(then comes the best solo ever)
understand the words? old man with the uzi? (does the recoil remind you of sex?)
- Woof Oink Baaa - 08-04-2005 02:28 PM
Not that I'm sticking up for AG, but your definitions are a little off, Scream. "Alternate," would just mean, "substitute." He prolly plays guitar in a Floyd tribute band or something.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-04-2005 02:33 PM
if he does, he doesnt have a waters bassist :D
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-04-2005 02:41 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:Perhaps the best response here would be to paste something you told us in another thread. I believe it sums you up quite nicely.Alternate Gilmour Wrote:im gonna ask ya again, old man with the uzi, what does your name mean. ''aternate gilmour.''. now, lets see. altrnate means the opposite, as in white-black, dark-light, night-day, etcetera etcetera etcetera.....Sydney Wrote:doH!Alternate Gilmour Wrote:[quote="pointmeatthesky"][quote="Alternate Gilmour"]What? Because Waters critizes society he's suddenly crazy. That's absurd! The point of being artist, whether it be a writer or a musician or a painter is to portray a message.
Earlier in this thread someone laid it out pretty well.
If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
Let's see, In "Money" Water's is portraying thatr the valuie of money and ther greed associated with it is absurd, pepole value money over their fellow man. Fitzgerald has the same message in "The Great Gatsby", does that make Fitzgerald crazy too?
The whole idea of The Final Cut is to look at how that promised "post-war dream" wasn't achieved, and he's critizing the general-good feeling over the Falkland Wars, a seemingly pointless and worthless conflict. In Hamlet Shakespeare points out the same thing with The Poles and the Norweigians fighting over land not large enough to bury the men who will die in the fight. Is Shakespeare insane too?
Roger does what every songwriter with half his talent should do, point out problems nobody sees. He's not crazy, he's a brilliant commentator of society.
gilmour, as put in context, is david gilmour. guitarist and vocalist with well known band since the sixties, pink floyd.
so......your name actually means the ''opposite'' to ''gilmour''. now if thats the case the oppsite to gilmour in most of your posts to date is roger waters.
therefore....your name actually means roger waters, does it not. if this is so, wtf are you getting on peoples nerves about roger and his PERSONAL health. when you cant answer some posts given back to you, all you can do is come out with all i can describe is ignorant and childish whinges and rantings.
are you a doctor? or perhaps someone in the clrical side of mankind? because that is what i think you are. a stuffed up moneygrabber that has nothing bvetter to do with his remaining years but sit by his pc and slag off individuals oin the internet.
''and then one day you'll find
ten years have dropped behind you
no one told youi when to run
you missed the starting gun..........(then comes the best solo ever)
understand the words? old man with the uzi? (does the recoil remind you of sex?)
((""" i have a mental state. i am bi-polar."""))
P.S. you should find a dictionary.
(alt=op...haha)
n. (-nt)
A person acting in the place of another; a substitute
My friends gave me that nickname because I play guitar
note for note exactly like Dave.
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- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-04-2005 03:04 PM
and you sound like him too. im proud of the fact that i can tell people that im bi-polar. are you proud of the fact that you can slag some one off with the condition.
i think i hit on a nerve, old man with the uzi. you have proved what you are. nothing but a loser in life.
- Woof Oink Baaa - 08-04-2005 03:08 PM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:if he does, he doesnt have a waters bassist :DI don't think anyone really does.
- mattmc1973 - 08-04-2005 03:56 PM
"Nobody plays guitar like Nigel Tufnel...nobody even tries"
- etphonehomeyo - 08-04-2005 07:04 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:If you look at Roger's music and actions as a whole...it would"types" of individuals? what the hell? and just because roger can see things and question them he has issues? and so what if he did? does that make him a "bad type"? seriously... what the hell.
seem he has issues. I would take this a step further and say
that his music sometimes seems to resonate with certain "types" of individuals.
- artie_fufkin - 08-04-2005 10:59 PM
mattmc1973 Wrote:"Nobody plays guitar like Nigel Tufnel...nobody even tries":laugh:
At least NIGEL can go to ELEVEN!
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 12:01 AM
''Perhaps the best response here would be to paste something you told us in another thread. I believe it sums you up quite nicely.
((""" i have a mental state. i am bi-polar.""")) ''
alternate gilmour
i would dearly love for you to explain this statement to the rest of the board pleas, and what exactly you mean by it.
- Jumpy - 08-05-2005 06:28 AM
I'd like to thank Alternate Gilmour for my signiture line. A classic quote.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 07:23 AM
if hes playing guitar like gilmour, he moaning like madonna. why isnt he posting in tribut bands section? whats the name of his band. im gonna find out more on him by looking through his posts. he gets his rocks of at lying to people.
and i think he has a far worse mental state thgan i have. after all, im not claiming to be my favourite stars. and i can play bass, keyboard, rhythm guitar and lead when i want. and i dont boast what my friends say about me.
so come on a.g. tell us the truth. im gonna paste one of your posts here.
alternategilmour wrote ....
''Back in the sixties I was a research assistant for a friend's dissertation on trends effect on population and control.
We often surmised that the current liberally educated peaceful generation might limit themselves to fewer offspring. Thus creating a vacuum for the less-educated-more easily duped crowd to over populate the planet with dumbed down
brain dead drones to be controlled by the state.
We were ahead of our time of course but still really freak on how right we were.''
now this seems to me like a national socialist speaking. im not pointing any fingers. but now i know where you are coming from pal.
makes you over 50 years of age this thread does....are you sad yet, or can you see it coming. old man with an uzi?
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- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 07:26 AM
Jumpy Wrote:I'd like to thank Alternate Gilmour for my signiture line. A classic quote.thanks for the idea mate :D
- Dave_Tv - 08-05-2005 07:56 AM
Scream Thy Last Scream Wrote:alternategilmour wrote ....He he.....
''Back in the sixties I was a research assistant for a friend's dissertation on trends effect on population and control.
We often surmised that the current liberally educated peaceful generation might limit themselves to fewer offspring. Thus creating a vacuum for the less-educated-more easily duped crowd to over populate the planet with dumbed down
brain dead drones to be controlled by the state.
We were ahead of our time of course but still really freak on how right we were.''
You guys are so 'owned'.
- wiez - 08-05-2005 08:38 AM
Please stop knocking the over 50's. You are making me feel old and I am not. Some things get better with age, like wine. Even Waters is 61 and from what I read, plays a wicked game of pool.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 08:41 AM
wiez Wrote:Please stop knocking the over 50's. You are making me feel old and I am not. Some things get better with age, like wine. Even Waters is 61 and from what I read, plays a wicked game of pool.lol. not all over 50's, just 1. and id say roger would beat this pro anyday at pool. but hey,, im only dreamin' :;):
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-05-2005 10:37 AM
I am starting to worry about your bio-chemical abnormalities.
Do any of your meds alter the level of the dopamine in your head?
Studies have been done in Ireland and it appears that one in every twenty-five people show signs of schizophrenia. Hmmm
You did say you were Irish.
The basis of some research has focused around Irish diet, mainly potatoes. If potatoes are exposed to too much sunlight
they produce an alkaloid called solanine. Solanine has the ability to induce gastro-intestinal problems and psychotic symptoms such as hallucinations. The idea that
schizophrenia in Ireland is caused by the potato is not far fetched. Of course, drinking heavily as you do just adds to your chemical imbalance.
Please seek out professional help and update your meds.
You might want to turn off your pc and push the plate of spuds away for awhile.
- Sydney - 08-05-2005 10:49 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I am starting to worry about your bio-chemical abnormalities.I don't know if you intended it, but it seems you're belittling Schizophrenia, which is horrible. Schizophrenia is on the rise in many nations. Don't use that horrible medical disorder as an insult to hurl back and forth to someone with different music opinion. That's just not acceptable.
Do any of your meds alter the level of the dopamine in your head?
Studies have been done in Ireland and it appears that one in every twenty-five people show signs of schizophrenia. Hmmm
You did say you were Irish.
The basis of some research has focused around Irish diet, mainly potatoes. If potatoes are exposed to too much sunlight
they produce an alkaloid called solanine. Solanine has the ability to induce gastro-intestinal problems and psychotic symptoms such as hallucinations. The idea that
schizophrenia in Ireland is caused by the potato is not far fetched. Of course, drinking heavily as you do just adds to your chemical imbalance.
Please seek out professional help and update your meds.
You might want to turn off your pc and push the plate of spuds away for awhile.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 10:51 AM
A.G.
how very pink floyd of you. thanks. enough with my history and lets study yours.
a research assistant in the sixties. probably encountered alot of upper classed fools in the seventies. which means you took drugs a s a social inheritence. along came the 80s and its greed for money, in which you probably made off the backs of normal workers. 90s you were bored because of the massive upsurge in musical culture. this is where you found pink floyd...and especially david gilmour. you listened to him so much that you now you believe you are him. even down to slagging waters (the enemy) off.
am i touching a nerve here, old man with an uzi? because my thread contains pink floyd references. does yours?
are you suitable for this site? and i think you are on medication for the drugs you took in the 70s. methadone , perhaps?? or maybe you are on prescribed drugs too, which would explain the reason why im not afraid to admit it, just like millions of others. and thats why you are jealous and attacking people all the time.
tell me. are you seriously thinking that im taking offence of your posts? lol...poor you. as you said, im irish. and we put up with 900 years of bull, and one man stopped it. thats what we are worth. show your mettle, old man, who you gonna kill next?
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- artie_fufkin - 08-05-2005 10:54 AM
I have grown rather disgusted with the nasty exchanges in this thread, and am growing disgusted with the whole site. There's a lot less discussion about Roger Waters's interview than the garbage we're all having to wade through to find the interesting points most of us may want to come here to read.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 10:58 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I am starting to worry about your bio-chemical abnormalities.this is for alternativegilmour (who is (supposedly) a doctor)
Do any of your meds alter the level of the dopamine in your head?
Studies have been done in Ireland and it appears that one in every twenty-five people show signs of schizophrenia. Hmmm
You did say you were Irish.
The basis of some research has focused around Irish diet, mainly potatoes. If potatoes are exposed to too much sunlight
they produce an alkaloid called solanine. Solanine has the ability to induce gastro-intestinal problems and psychotic symptoms such as hallucinations. The idea that
schizophrenia in Ireland is caused by the potato is not far fetched. Of course, drinking heavily as you do just adds to your chemical imbalance.
Please seek out professional help and update your meds.
You might want to turn off your pc and push the plate of spuds away for awhile.
Doctor Doctor what is wrong with me
This supermarket life is getting long
What is the heart life of a colour TV
What is the shelf life of a teenage queen
Ooh western woman
Ooh western girl
News hound sniffs the air
When Jessica Hahn goes down
He latches on to that symbol
Of detachment
Attracted by the peeling away of feeling
The celebrity of the abused shell the belle
Ooh western woman
Ooh western girl
And the children of Melrose
Strut their stuff
Is absolute zero cold enough
And out in the valley warm and clean
The little ones sit by their TV screens
No thoughts to think
No tears to cry
All sucked dry
Down to the very last breath
Bartender what is wrong with me
Why am I so out of breath
The captain said excuse me ma'am
This species has amused itself to death
Amused itself to death
Amused itself to death
We watched the tragedy unfold
We did as we were told
We bought and sold
It was the greatest show on earth
But then it was over
We ohhed and aahed
We drove our racing cars
We ate our last few jars of caviar
And somewhere out there in the stars
A keen-eyed look-out
Spied a flickering light
Our last hurrah
And when they found our shadows
Grouped around the TV sets
They ran down every lead
They repeated every test
They checked out all the data on their lists
And then the alien anthropologists
Admitted they were still perplexed
But on eliminating every other reason
For our sad demise
They logged the only explanation left
This species has amused itself to death
No tears to cry no feelings left
This species has amused itself to death
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 10:59 AM
artie_fufkin Wrote:I have grown rather disgusted with the nasty exchanges in this thread, and am growing disgusted with the whole site. There's a lot less discussion about Roger Waters's interview than the garbage we're all having to wade through to find the interesting points most of us may want to come here to read.its not disgusting me. its just sad he had to bring it so low to others.
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-05-2005 11:52 AM
artie_fufkin Wrote:I have grown rather disgusted with the nasty exchanges in this thread, and am growing disgusted with the whole site. There's a lot less discussion about Roger Waters's interview than the garbage we're all having to wade through to find the interesting points most of us may want to come here to read.I agree.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 12:15 PM
hush now children, im listening to atom heart mother
- Jumpy - 08-05-2005 12:22 PM
... pssst... <hushed tones> ... hey Scream ... could you please pass the pototoes? the ones that have been sitting on the windowsill? thanks!
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 01:34 PM
you got a still {shussssshhhh}
- Myriad Small Creature - 08-05-2005 02:09 PM
artie_fufkin Wrote:I have grown rather disgusted with the nasty exchanges in this thread, and am growing disgusted with the whole site. There's a lot less discussion about Roger Waters's interview than the garbage we're all having to wade through to find the interesting points most of us may want to come here to read.I agree. This is precisely why there has been a policy of "No Dave Vs. Roger Topics" for so long. Too much extremism on both sides of the issue. I'm not defending or knocking either side of the argument, but I think it would be fantastic if the involved parties just agreed to disagree and give it a rest.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-05-2005 02:14 PM
its over mate. im peeling me spuds beside me window listeing to opel