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- Free Games for May - 02-19-2006 01:14 PM
out of our 6074 members there are 3220 members who haven't posted a single post, some of them are new so they can't be expected to have posted yet but that still leaves about 3000 members who have joined and have never come back.
i thought that i might point that out because i find that very strange that some people would bother signing up and then not continuing with the great community that is PFOnline.
- FootageOfACop - 02-19-2006 04:35 PM
Maybe they're nervous that their post count is low. I bet if the admin found a way to hide the post count except on member profiles, people would be more inclined to posting.
- Radio Slaver - 02-20-2006 08:48 AM
I doubt it. Most people either forget the site, or their password and just say screw it.
- Philintheflesh - 02-20-2006 10:13 AM
Yeah, I`ve had a look at the members list and noticed that.
I don`t think they`ve all cleared-off. I`m sure there are a lot of people who "read" but don`t post.
If you look at "who`s on-line right now" bit, you``ll often see unfamiliar user-names.
- cevor - 02-20-2006 02:04 PM
I trolled around occasionally for months before posting
- pointmeatthesky - 02-20-2006 02:22 PM
cevor Wrote:I trolled around occasionally for months before postingSame here!
And then I mustered 100+ posts per day.
Interesting.
Anywho, yes alot of people forget stuff, or they just view and never posts. Or there scared away.
- Space Cadet - 02-20-2006 05:48 PM
I'm glad you shared that with us.
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- rolanddoe - 03-23-2006 02:39 AM
What could possibly scare them away? I mean...I know that "Welcome" reads like Motel Hell but it's all just in good fun, right? ........right?
- floydian72 - 03-23-2006 03:52 AM
who cares we have more than enough and still counting.
- cevor - 03-23-2006 01:17 PM
rolanddoe Wrote:What could possibly scare them away? I mean...I know that "Welcome" reads like Motel Hell but it's all just in good fun, right? ........right?as far as YOU know rd.....master ???
- rolanddoe - 03-24-2006 11:09 AM
Master would like cevor to go to the welcome thread and repeat his keywords backwards like little Danny until Master's little piece has been fully realized. Then cevor can have his cleaver back and rd will relinquish control back to evil Mistress FF. (The first keyword is ramrod!)
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- Space Cadet - 03-24-2006 02:08 PM
I am Cevor's master. Back, you vile villain!
- rolanddoe - 03-24-2006 09:20 PM
Aaaaaaa, blow it out yer broomstick, Baybay. You'll get him back when I've finished. Cevor.... no stoogework, no cleeeeaver....!
- Ogg - 03-24-2006 09:55 PM
pointmeatthesky Wrote:And then I mustered 100+ posts per day.What you do that for? Og implore cevor do rolanddoe evil bidding. You not know. Rolanddoe come stand behind, (with cleaver) then gone! Rolanddoe know magic great swamp gas pool, Og think. Friend cevor heed Og advice, please!
Interesting.
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- Jintzey - 03-24-2006 11:55 PM
You seem to really enjoy talking to yourself.
- Ogg - 03-25-2006 12:33 AM
Og say Jintzey please careful. Rolanddoe very evil, very powerful. Og just come say friend cevor take advice. Rolanddoe plot very evil, scare many newbies. Jintzey have vacuum tubes?
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- Kimbers Sheep - 03-25-2006 09:30 AM
this is stupid, in the first place stop talking nonsense, in the second, we CAN trace ip's....we know you're the same person
- cevor - 03-25-2006 10:37 AM
FantasticFloyd Wrote:I am Cevor's master. Back, you vile villain!yes master! I'll comply...sorry, KS.....rd, Ogg and I were just fooling around...
- rolanddoe - 03-25-2006 01:43 PM
It's actually been fairly common knowledge that Og is me for about a month now, KS. As for the fooling around I was only trying to establish a niche for myself in the Halloween mythology being developed in the Welcome area. I mean cevor gets to be a psycho, how come I never get to off any newbies? I can not only whack them quite entertainingly but also am in possession of several lip smacking recipes as well as the formulae for many vile and foaming marinade potions! But cevor is being recalcitrant and may require punishment as well as coercion! (Cleeeeaver...) Even Og cannot convince him and he usually takes to Og like a little puppy dog. I may be forced to use my evil powers to duplicate him in order to lay claim to the little Danny schtick. Let's see now I'll need a new e-mail subaccount and a clever posting name. Cevor II, The Cloning... nah, I think that's been done...
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- Kimbers Sheep - 03-26-2006 10:03 AM
It's been common knowledge among us for longer than that, my point was and is that it is in a sense simply posting nonsense
- rolanddoe - 03-28-2006 05:04 AM
Well you're entitled to your opinion, KS, just as I'm allowed to disagree. I don't see how people interacting with humorous intent can be characterized as nonsense. We're enjoying the board in our own way and I really don't understand the need to cast a pall of intimidation over the silliness. I don't believe it breaks any board rules and if anyone is truly offended by it they are free to lecture us as well. You would be spending hours daily deleting posts if fooling around were in violation of the board's purpose. I also would like to know if I am breaking rules by having a second account and posting name. If that is the case I will cease posting as Og. To bring this back in line with the subject of the thread, it is my hope that having a committee of fun loving ghouls running loose in the Welcome thread will entice more like minded individuals to join in the fun. It's only Rock'n'Roll.
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- Steve Hill - 03-30-2006 01:10 AM
Years ago, and still often to this day, people were locked up for talking to themselves. Hundreds of years ago, they were considered to be possessed by the devil and killed in one of many horrible ways.
Now we realise it is merely a mental condition that can be treated. If this is the case with you, please seek help. If it is not, please cease this nonsense as you only make yourself look stupid. We have all done things similar to this in the past and believe me, the only person that ever truly finds it funny is the person doing it. If everyone else finds it annoying, it's the next best thing to trolling in my books. Certainly professing to be someone you are not, (i.e. providing false details on one or both accounts), won't win you any friends long term.
As the classic quote goes, "It's better to remain silent and be thought of as intelligent than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 03-30-2006 08:53 AM
Actually, SH, it's better to remain silent and be thought a FOOL than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
And regards talking to oneself, I quote Edmund Blackadder II: "It's the only way I can be assured of intelligent conversation."
- Steve Hill - 03-30-2006 10:00 AM
Yes, I recall the exact quote now. Since I was actually trying to do several other things at the same time, I wasn't that far off.
As for your quote, if you are alone yes, if you do it in public places, you are either crying out for attention, going slowly mad or quite often both. We could all create multiple user accounts and do the same, but if we did, the ones doing it now and finding it funny would soon become fed up with the others and complain that they are ruining their fun. That alone would be proof of attention seeking.
- Jumpy - 03-30-2006 10:45 AM
Sounds to me like a few other people could use some pseudonyms -- ones with personalities and senses of humor!
- Kimbers Sheep - 03-30-2006 10:09 PM
it's not a question of sense of humour or lack thereof, it's simply a question of space, every post tales up space, we've went thru this time and time again (does anyone remember the Notebook fiascos) the board is designed for discussion about PF and related topics, OTW is for topics (key word is TOPICS) which don't belong to any PF category...and while not a direct rules violation does anyone REALLY need to be told to not post nonsense....THAT should be common sense
- rolanddoe - 03-31-2006 12:02 AM
Fine then. At this point I would normally be developing a parody of what I'm accused of and posting a diatribe featuring a debate about nonsense between my various multiple personalities which veers way off topic into pathetic pleas for attention and the many ways such needs can be expressed. But I won't! And I hope you're all satisfied.
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- Space Cadet - 03-31-2006 02:32 AM
Steve. Kimbers. I haven't seen either of you posting in quite some time. Welcome back to the arena, and I hope you're both positively thriving.
Having said that, I would like to interpose that I find Rolanddoe's self stimulated dialogues quite amusing, more so than the majority of what has become an almost unvarying flood of drivel, in any case. (The same old polls, the same old threads, teeny bopper rants and everything else; I know I don't enjoy ingesting that rubbish.) And though I acknowledge that Outside The Wall's purpose is to serve as an institution for topics, topics with no correlating with Pink Floyd, I see no reason for us (Rolanddoe, Cevor, others and myself) to discontinue what I find to be a greatly entertaining practice, simply for the reason that it doesn't fall under any particular category. If posts that couldn't be classified as topics weren't allowed, you'd have to delete an awful lot of posts, including some of your own. This is the most fun the boards have been exposed to in months. Why take that from us?
Wots ... uh the deal? Honestly!
- Kimbers Sheep - 03-31-2006 10:40 AM
Just because we don't post does not mean we're not here...our job as Moderators isn't necessaorly to be the people with the most posts, it's too moderate...having said that, are you serious? Jesus, this is the EXACT same arguement we had concerning the nonsense that was going on here not even six months ago, has EVERYONE forgotten how badly the board had degenerated due to silly and nonsensical posts? If you are bored then go somewhere else and clutter that area with nonsense, that IS NOT what this board is for. The statement that we are "taking the fun away" was the EXACT same one used before...I'd have thought everyone would have gotten the point by now, but I guess not....it appears (at least here among some) that not only do we not learn from the past but history INDEED repeats itself
- Space Cadet - 03-31-2006 11:00 AM
That post in its entirety only proves that you don't quite grasp the concept of what you refer to as "nonsense," or even my implication for that matter. Your attitude towards this disappoints me, but because you da man, K Dog, I will abide and discontinue this charade before it starts back up again as, in spite of all the real rubbish, there are people in this virtual community I respect and enjoy discussing things with. Don't get me wrong, I like all of you, but damn. Is this not a form of communism? Whatever. I'm not looking to initiate a conflict. I'll hold my tongue now.
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- cevor - 03-31-2006 11:06 AM
saddening... :sleepy: ...I'm keeping my sig!
- Jumpy - 03-31-2006 12:09 PM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:The statement that we are "taking the fun away" was the EXACT same one used before...Things that make you go, hmmmmmm...
- Radio Slaver - 03-31-2006 04:05 PM
*sigh* Why can't we all just get along? Unless the mods are obviously abusing their powers, i'm on their side. I admit freely that I have stoped coming here as much as I used to. Why? All the bull thats going on, posts with little to no content, threads that have no releavence/meaning to me. But I've seen this happen on many a forum. Too bad its happening to one as good as this was.
- rolanddoe - 03-31-2006 11:10 PM
I'm afraid that is the case though, RS. Although KS admits that no rules are being broken, he still feels compelled to abuse his position as a moderator here to tell us to post only in a manner he personally determines to be appropriate. (Has PFO himself instructed you to curtail our giggling childishness? If so I will gladly donate $100 and then tell him exactly where to go as many times as it takes to get banned.) I for one am inclined to take a tongue in cheek approach towards my casual interactions with others. This is the way I've been wired by our Creator and despite the few people in life I've encountered that are rubbed the wrong way I find that I evoke a lot of laughter. I have no doubts about my sense of humor, Steve, and if it sometimes misfires I am not about to cleave unto the rocks and disappear. Despite the idea you seem to have that I am some kind of out of control verbal exhibitionist I'm only about liking and being liked by others. Sound familiar? I am not going to be your poster boy for some newfangled control freak interpretation of the board's purpose. I am asking my friends here to please not overreact (FF!) to what I see as a tempest in a handkerchief. We are not doing anything wrong. The board is ultimately about having fun together. If there's a better description of its reason for being I'd like to hear it. I'm not changing or going into hiding. And I'm sorry if you two particular mods are insulted or threatened by my style. It was never my intent.
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- Steve Hill - 04-01-2006 02:05 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:Just because we don't post does not mean we're not here...Speak for yourself, I've been away for a month from here for the exact reasons being outlined in this topic, the board seems, to me at least, to be descending into a series of self-absorbed, meaningless topics. As for your comment "Sound familiar?", rolanddoe, what are you trying to insinuate? If that is aimed at me in any way, do you have some evidence of this? Have you really been here long enough or do you think you know me well enough to make judgements? I obviously wait for the abuse aimed back at myself that I am doing just the same, but I am making general observations based on what I've seen, which is a lot more than any observations about someone who has barely been motivated to post here in the last 6 months.
PFO has actually asked us in the past, privately and publicly, to restrict the amount of time wasting going on here. Not least when he removed the ability to post pictures. Our only other active admin, Spectre, has also pointed out the requirements on the servers for all this multiple posting and other activities which waste storage. I personally am not here to spoil your fun, but I think all activity should be kept in moderation.
For a few months now I have considered resigning my post as moderator, mainly because I have not really felt the urge to visit much as of late and it's not fair claiming to be a mod and not being here. I intend to give it a little longer and see how things go, but this board isn't looking good from my point of view. Each unto their own though.
- cevor - 04-01-2006 03:45 AM
When I first discovered pfo I strictly used it to learn more about tribute bands having just returned to the music business after a ten year hiatus.
I was amazed at the traffic and banter, learned a great deal and started to make some new friends, especially W1P, and the other trib. band members. After a while, I ventured off into the rest of the board and was impressed and dismayed all at once. There were brilliant posts (FF, AG, KS, SH ) to name a few, but, way too much garbage and trolling. I thought the mods did a great job of getting rid of some of the trash and it seemed the rest just faded away. One fateful day Ms. FF pm'd me and we created our little partnership, all in good fun and I perceived it as a little spice in the pot. Others seemed to enjoy our schtick, especially our buddy rd who jumped in in his own way, first with Og, then into our, as he described, "Hotel Hell" routine in the welcome thread. I obviously enjoyed Og right from the start and suspected rd was behind it due to his brilliant english prof. corrections of us while remaining in character. His contributions to the board have been insightful, well-spoken and frankly hilarious at different times.Now, as our little game has deteriorated into an irritation for some, I've leaned back toward my original purpose. RD, I cannot get drawn into an arguement over free speach while I post for the band I manage. This is my primary reason for posting here, although I'm surprised at how close I feel to certain members, ff, Jumpy and you being the main ones. I'll continue to participate in The Pink Floyd Game 2 and elsewhere, but, not even your veiled baiting of me can change the fact that none of us own this board and if what we post is a problem for the moderators, then I for one, do not want that to happen. PFO is an asset to Childhood's End, which is my primary concern. rd, ff and my other friends in banter, I hope you understand the choices I make regarding this. I try my best to be a good member of the machine here, Steve and Kimbers, I meant no offense, besides the previously mentioned folks, there are some brilliant people posting here, artie, mabewa, whong and so many others. I've watched The Australian Pink Floyd Show's own forum fall into emptiness over such things as this, I hope it doesn't happen here.
....Greg
- rolanddoe - 04-01-2006 03:50 AM
Sigh. Sound familiar refers to being about liking and being liked by others and only insinuates that we're all about that same thing.
- cevor - 04-01-2006 03:57 AM
:sleepy:
- Spectre - 04-01-2006 02:59 PM
I was going to stay out of this, but I feel the need to add my thoughts on all this....
[1] I personally find all this Og/caveman speak irritating, infantile, and a pointless waste of time to read through. However, as the "Outside The Wall" forum is for general and off-topic posts, I suppose this kind of material is appropriate in that forum. It was stated earlier in this thread that this stuff is fine there, but we arent in that forum right now are we and it was done here as well, in a forum that is SUPPOSED to be for news and posts regarding this site and board. That stuff shouldnt be here.
[2] I was under the impression that users having multiple accounts were in violation of board rule.
[3] Comparing MODERATING to COMMUNISM, DICTATORSHIPS, etc... is wrong. This site is paid for and managed by a staff who are both responsible for keeping order and keeping this place organised. This is NOT a place for FREE-SPEECH. The staff here busts its balls for and has a great deal of respect for this site. If people dont want to follow the rules, they are welcome to leave. Go find another board to trash or start your own, but [and Im not speaking to anyone in particular] DONT expect you can all come here, start trouble, break rules, ruin this place for others, and not get the attention of the staff. We are here to enforce rules. NO ONE wants to come here if this place is not controlled.
[4] My job here is to help out with the board when the staff has issues with members or the board is having problems. I dont consider myself the administrator or leader here. I dont go out and delete topics or edit posts. What the staff says here goes. I will not go against anyone on the staff that does his/her job here. I remember what a mess this site was when I got here and it looks a million times better now and Im sure you all have seen this place worse than I ever have. This hostility towards the staff needs to stop. Everyone thinks it is so easy to do this job and feels personally attacked when a moderator makes a decision. Can you imagine a new user coming here and seeing this place if there were no moderators at all? How long would this place have traffic? How many valuable and long established users would come back? What would YOU do if you ran a board?
Think about it....
Spectre
- Radio Slaver - 04-01-2006 07:36 PM
I've been a moderator (and still am) On several forums, its a hard job, with little positive user feedback. Either I'm ignored or bitched at for the way I do my job. Unless its a board (and it does happen) where a large % of users are mods somewhere or other.
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- rolanddoe - 04-01-2006 08:45 PM
I feel I have already adequately explained my position, Spectre. But as you have already reopened the question of multiple user names being in violation of of regulations here I'm going to ask again if Og is in fact against board rules. I should also explain again why and how Og came to be, this time in full detail. After enduring several days of senselessly abusive counterposting by a member calling himself Seamus the Dog, I found myself in a kind of alternate reality. For one thing I wondered who the hell STD was and why he was suddenly on my case with a destination sticker. Previously we had shared several very friendly exchanges but now he was like programmed zealot from the holy church of Roger Waters. I was accused of living in a cave hiding from the reality that is tell-all-your-side book "wisdom" with a phantom companion. I was a self-revisionist with no skill at communication, just for my attempts to rephrase my position for STD's benefit. Anything he thought would provoke a response of anger was utilized in lieu of actual debate. I let this roll off my back. At the same time I was visiting other threads and I began to notice how younger people here post about nothing much just for the fun of it. I was usually dismissed offhand for attempting the same. What would it take to approximate the special leeway granted to teenagers around here to be irrepressibly goofy and outrageous. STD had already provided the answer in general terms. Og was born. But when I attempted to create his account I was told by automated programs that only one account could be tied to each e-mail address. I thought that was strange. How would a family with two long time Floydians and two teenage ones manage to have their own separate accounts here? The answer was immediate and obvious. E-mail sub-addresses. I tried it. Og was delivered. I began posting as Og on the premise that he was a primitive without the intellectual wiring to use prepositions or the verb to be. Cavespeak. The first comedic attempts featured him trying to explain his linguistic deficiencies (Preposition not necessary! Verb be redundant!) and procure vacuum tubes in trade for bales (bales!) of special bamboo, an obvious drug reference. The tubes were necessary to allow him to jump to the present time. Later he began to wax enthususistically and primitively philosophical about sex roles and tribal interrelationships, even sports, like bass playing! He was a sexist adolescent hippie living a communal lifestyle with a frank and honest attitude about everything, including his woo stick and his woman's soft cave! One teen who feels free to post about how good it would be to get a blow job. From your mother. (This is what I read around here. Don't be piling boxes at my doorstep for being honest.) He found the mention of woo sticks to be outrageous from somone whose age he couldn't pin down. A couple of other teenagers felt unrestrained in telling Og to shut up. One suggested he kill himself. But some adult males took the time to nudge nudge wink wink around with him. He got no direct response from the fairer sex. I found these results very interesting. Nevertheless I retired him for the most part. He only appeared later in occasional posts where I deemed his primal oeuvre appropriate or even inapropriate. Neither rolanddoe or Og has ever garnered a single colored box of board discipline. I revealed the fact that Og was an alter-ego to fellow boardmembers about a month ago. There has been no indication from anyone involved in the board administration at anytime that my second account had been determined to be in violation of board rules. Not even after my public disclosure that we were the same person. Yet I am now informed in the heat of debate that you have long ago determined as much if it is something I should be ashamed of. This is obvious rhetoric and I resent it personally. I did in fact create a fictional son in order to create Og's account. My motivations in doing so were to investigate the double standards some of us apply as to what is appropriate public behavior. You could not have known that my son was in fact fictional until I disclosed the truth about Og. In addition Og and rolanddoe were only used in tandem on 3 occasions. If this is tantamount to using Og to talk to myself habitually as has been implied I will be satisfied to leave you all muttering under your breath about it. So much for honesty. Honesty having been covered you should know that I have promised myself I would not be drawn into a debate about what constitutes nonsense. I now resume my normal place as an unboxed member of the board. If you wish to debate my actions further you may PM me.
- Spectre - 04-02-2006 06:06 AM
Not intending to stir the fires here, but:
Quote:In addition Og and rolanddoe were only used in tandem on 3 occasions.
I think Ive read in more than 3 occassions where you were "talking to yourself" :)
Quote:Yet I am now informed in the heat of debate that you have long ago determined as much if it is something I should be ashamed of.
Where did I say that? I simply said this whole caveman thing is immature and really pointless on this board. I dont see the point of it on a Pink Floyd message board. I think you stepped over the line when you went from Outside The Wall to this forum. The goofy stuff belongs there...not in here. Thanks however for explaining the story behind Og. It does clarify a number of things and I appreciate you taking the time to do this.
As far as the future use of the Og account, that is up to the rest of the team. If they decide its fine, then its fine with me. I made it clear to all of them when I came here that Im not the authority and ruler here. I rule by position only. I dont ban or moderate this site unless its brought to me by the staff.
and, regarding this by RS:
Quote:On several forums, its a hard job, with little positive user feedback. Either I'm ignored or bitched at for the way I do my job.
Aint that the truth. Im an admin on 2 boards, moderator on 2, and a former admin on another and its a thankless job outside of the staff. No one likes to be policed, but in the end, it makes a better experience for everyone [or at the very least defines the tone and attitude of the site and its members].
Spectre
Surrogate Admin
- Steve Hill - 04-02-2006 12:08 PM
I remember a time when most members got along, used judgement when posting and intelligent discussion was encouraged, jabbering on was frowned upon. I know I am partly to blame in this site being what it is now, but I can't be held accountable for people exercising judgement.
As I said earlier, I no longer feel we are a community, but several small groups on one common board. I say we all try to move on and rise above others' comments, otherwise we might as well scrub "community" out of the title on this page.
I'm still willing if others are.
- rolanddoe - 04-02-2006 04:29 PM
Spectre Wrote:Just to keep the facts straight it was Kimbers who said this. I also think putting this behind us is the wise approach, Steve. And as for future use of Og, I think his feelings may finally be too hurt. << (Hint; joke!)Quote:Yet I am now informed in the heat of debate that you have long ago determined as much if it is something I should be ashamed of.
Where did I say that?
- Jintzey - 04-02-2006 10:15 PM
rolanddoe Wrote:Has PFO himself instructed you to curtail our giggling childishness? If so I will gladly donate $100 and then tell him exactly where to go as many times as it takes to get banned.Looks like you're out $100 :;):
Message from PFOnline
(I lost count how many times we've had to repost this due to people somehow being unaware of it, despite the fact it is pinned up top in this forum.)
- rolanddoe - 04-03-2006 02:11 AM
OK, Jintzey, even though it's questionable that our giggling childishness is the politics and arguement PFO mentioned a half year ago, I am moved into action. I have already had some enjoyable conversations and fun. I mentioned Roger in this very thread just the other day so talkin' about Floyd is covered as well. As for quality posts I leave that determination to the critics. (Maybe I should start a poll. Nah... sounds like board politics.) Now I'm off to make good on my promises. (And I did see you winking, OK?) :O << PS; Is there a way to use this blathering smilie as an avatar?
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- rolanddoe - 04-03-2006 03:14 AM
OK, it's taken care of. $49.99 of it is from Og, btw. You wouldn't off your second largest contributor, would you?
- Steve Hill - 04-03-2006 04:04 AM
To use that smilie as an avatar, right click (Windows)/ctrl-click (Mac) the image and find out it's url and copy this address, (ctrl-c for windows, cmd-c for Mac). Then go to "your control panel", "personal info" and "avatar options". Post the url into the relavant external link box, (ctrl-v/cmd-v), and make sure the size is set to a square ratio of either 64x64 or anything else that is 1:1 which reduces pixelisation of the image.
Job done.
- rolanddoe - 04-03-2006 10:03 AM
Thanks for the help, Steve. But it appears I'm going to have to find a higher resolution alternative. Maybe I'll even do something creative.
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- cevor - 04-03-2006 10:35 AM
I like the third eye effect, kinda fitting....lol