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how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Pinkman07 - 07-18-2008 02:31 PM
I do not have a lot of equipment. I have a blues pedal, distortion pedal, an Ibanez guitar, and a basic amp. Even though I do not have a lot of pedals and effects, I was wondering if there was a basic setting to put my amp on to get close to Gimour's beautiful tone.
For example...do I use a high base or a low base? A high mid or a low mid? how much distortion do i use? I know i do not have a lot to work with, but that's because i do not have a lot of money to spend. Any input would be awesome from you guys. THNX
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Wings on the Pig - 07-19-2008 01:06 AM
*Waits for Liam to enter thread*
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - PaulM - 07-19-2008 08:32 AM
I have an old friend who happens to be an honest-to-God '60s British rock star (whose fame has sadly faded, but the man can still play, mainly rockabilly, but I digress) - he related a story to me once:
He was a member of someone famous' band (I forget who, let's say Clapton just for the purpose of the story) around 1970, and some kid, an up-and-coming talent and a huge fan, asked if he could play Clapton's guitar once. He picked up the guitar and took a strum and it sounded like sh*t.
Same guitar, same rig, but different technique. Clapton's (or Gilmour's) guitar sounds like that mostly because it's Eric or Dave playing it.
The point is, get some experience, listen, and experiment. Read "The Black Strat" (http://www.theblackstrat.com) written by Dave's guitar tech... and most of all, PRACTICE. Use Dave as an inspiration, certainly, but develop your own tone.
Good luck!
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Wings on the Pig - 07-19-2008 08:57 AM
PaulM Wrote:I have an old friend who happens to be an honest-to-God '60s British rock star (whose fame has sadly faded, but the man can still play, mainly rockabilly, but I digress) - he related a story to me once:Excellent point. For sure, be influenced by his techniques (what guitarist on this board hasn't been?) but get your own style going, that is how you will start to get recognition fo what you are doing.
He was a member of someone famous' band (I forget who, let's say Clapton just for the purpose of the story) around 1970, and some kid, an up-and-coming talent and a huge fan, asked if he could play Clapton's guitar once. He picked up the guitar and took a strum and it sounded like sh*t.
Same guitar, same rig, but different technique. Clapton's (or Gilmour's) guitar sounds like that mostly because it's Eric or Dave playing it.
The point is, get some experience, listen, and experiment. Read "The Black Strat" (http://www.theblackstrat.com) written by Dave's guitar tech... and most of all, PRACTICE. Use Dave as an inspiration, certainly, but develop your own tone.
Good luck!
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Pinkman07 - 07-19-2008 08:58 AM
PaulM Wrote:I have an old friend who happens to be an honest-to-God '60s British rock star (whose fame has sadly faded, but the man can still play, mainly rockabilly, but I digress) - he related a story to me once:I experiment and stuff, but even though i have been playing for 5yrs I havnt focused on my equipment much, just my playing. I was just wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.
He was a member of someone famous' band (I forget who, let's say Clapton just for the purpose of the story) around 1970, and some kid, an up-and-coming talent and a huge fan, asked if he could play Clapton's guitar once. He picked up the guitar and took a strum and it sounded like sh*t.
Same guitar, same rig, but different technique. Clapton's (or Gilmour's) guitar sounds like that mostly because it's Eric or Dave playing it.
The point is, get some experience, listen, and experiment. Read "The Black Strat" (http://www.theblackstrat.com) written by Dave's guitar tech... and most of all, PRACTICE. Use Dave as an inspiration, certainly, but develop your own tone.
Good luck!
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - pinkfloydfan1 - 07-19-2008 10:41 AM
PaulM Wrote:I have an old friend who happens to be an honest-to-God '60s British rock star (whose fame has sadly faded, but the man can still play, mainly rockabilly, but I digress) - he related a story to me once:
He was a member of someone famous' band (I forget who, let's say Clapton just for the purpose of the story) around 1970, and some kid, an up-and-coming talent and a huge fan, asked if he could play Clapton's guitar once. He picked up the guitar and took a strum and it sounded like sh*t.
Same guitar, same rig, but different technique. Clapton's (or Gilmour's) guitar sounds like that mostly because it's Eric or Dave playing it.
The point is, get some experience, listen, and experiment. Read "The Black Strat" (http://www.theblackstrat.com) written by Dave's guitar tech... and most of all, PRACTICE. Use Dave as an inspiration, certainly, but develop your own tone.
Good luck!
Lol the best advice i could ever gig someone is dont read The Black Strat its filled with errors.
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - pinkfloydfan1 - 07-19-2008 10:48 AM
to be honest i actually cant be bothered to even reply at the moment im in the middle of a court case just now wait a day or too and il post a proper answer
one tell us the exact amp and pedals you have and that will give a good starting point
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Pinkman07 - 07-24-2008 10:18 AM
I have a boss blues driver, and a boss distortion pedal. My amp is just a little crappy ibanez, i havnt enough money to upgrade.
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - pinkfloydfan1 - 07-24-2008 10:39 AM
What Model Of Od
The Bd 2 is a great booster so run your distortion / overdrive first and then the bd 2 if you only have 2 pedals
try keep the amp clean by having bass treble and mid all set to 50 / 12 o clock
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Wings on the Pig - 07-24-2008 10:42 AM
Liam, a bit off topic mate, but your profile still says you're away even though you got back on the 16th.
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - PaulM - 07-25-2008 07:31 AM
pinkfloydfan1 Wrote:Lol the best advice i could ever gig someone is dont read The Black Strat its filled with errors.
Not to call you out or anything, but WHAT?? Filled with errors? How so?
Phil Taylor has been PF's guitar tech since 1974, right? Wouldn't he know? One would think he'd be the definitive source for any information about Dave's rigs.
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Parsifal - 07-25-2008 07:41 AM
PaulM Wrote:Not to call you out or anything, but WHAT?? Filled with errors? How so?
Phil Taylor has been PF's guitar tech since 1974, right? Wouldn't he know? One would think he'd be the definitive source for any information about Dave's rigs.
Not to question your use of the phrase or anything, but why do you say "not to call you out or anything" and then call him out?
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - PaulM - 07-25-2008 08:10 AM
Robosteve Wrote:Not to question your use of the phrase or anything, but why do you say "not to call you out or anything" and then call him out?
Why do you wish to question my phrasing? Have you anything to contribute to this thread?
My point is that I am not calling him a liar ("calling him out"), just wondering what he meant by "filled with errors". Asking someone to clarify a point does not constitute "calling out".
Clear now?
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - pinkfloydfan1 - 07-25-2008 09:47 AM
PaulM Wrote:Robosteve Wrote:Not to question your use of the phrase or anything, but why do you say "not to call you out or anything" and then call him out?
Why do you wish to question my phrasing? Have you anything to contribute to this thread?
My point is that I am not calling him a liar ("calling him out"), just wondering what he meant by "filled with errors". Asking someone to clarify a point does not constitute "calling out".
Clear now?
Well i might have exagerated but its only minor flaws.
But for me if it isnt 100 accurate i wont class it as good.
On page 18 and 23 there are two pictures of David without any text but they appear to be from the Bath Festival in June 1970. However, these are both from Sydney, Australia August 15. 1970, which is described on page 32. The show was filmed and aired in the program "Get to Know". David is seen using both a Binson II and a Binson PE, which he didn't do again until 1975.
On page 26 there's a picture of Pink Floyd performing Atom Heart with a brass and choir section. David is seen with the brown Telecaster. The picture is dated Lyon, France June 1970. This is wrong. The picture is from Lyon France June 12 1971 and it's an interesting shot of David's typical 1971 rig with the HH IC-100 solid state amp and the Leslie 147.
On page 55 there's a spread of Pink Floyd without text but it's indicated that this is from Hollywood bowl or generally from the 1972 tour. I'm not too sure where the picture is from, but you can see Dave's pedal board but no circular screen, which indicates that the picture is from 1973.
Worth mentioning? Probably not... but I couldn't resist
An example...Phil clearly states that the guitar has the original Pots (Two of them) and the Neck and Middle pickups are original....however, the pot dates date to 1972 while the pickups also date to 1972....so I ask you was Fender that good to put 1972 electronics on a 1970-71 guitar?
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - PaulM - 07-25-2008 10:09 AM
pinkfloydfan1 Wrote:[An example...Phil clearly states that the guitar has the original Pots (Two of them) and the Neck and Middle pickups are original....however, the pot dates date to 1972 while the pickups also date to 1972....so I ask you was Fender that good to put 1972 electronics on a 1970-71 guitar?Okay, so there may have been some editing flaws (hell, I have pictures from stuff I did in the '70s that I don't remember doing, and I wasn't in a psychedelic rock band), but Phil became the guitar tech in '74, so maybe he meant they were "original" because they already on the guitar... maybe?
Question: Was Dave getting his guitars custom-made at this time? Maybe he had them put on at manufacture rather than go with stock?
Okay, I got nothin'.
Still, though, the Big Picture is that Pinkman07 may be well-served by the book in that he can see what Dave himself uses to get that distinctive "Gilmour" sound.
Some of the gutarists in the tribute bands who frequent this site may be able to add some advice - what does Childhood's End or Aussie Floyd use?
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - pinkfloydfan1 - 07-25-2008 11:05 AM
Fair Enough I Guess
Id rather research for myself what the big man himself uses hence why ive been doing that for the last 6 years.
A good starting point is Gilmourish and i will give it a good thumbs up however i find that i used that as aguide to getting to know the pedals rather than rely on the actuall settings that Bjorn suggests we use.
As for Aussie floyd i did a article on Steve Mac.
http://www.notaussiefloyd.com/forum/index.php/topic,1642.0.html
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - paparazzi! - 10-11-2008 07:50 PM
The only way I can play floyd is using my own solo....I can stay in the key, but just doing it my way. I will say david got me into Blues, and Jazz more.
RE: how to get somewhere close to Gilmour's tone????? - Silver Diamonds - 10-23-2008 06:39 AM
Alot of it is practicing and developing your ear to listen to the sound that's coming out of the speakers of your amp. I've found that Davids approach to playing the guitar is more on the lines of singing with the guitar than just using impressive scales and speed. Listen to your sound. Experiment with the knobs on your effects. And have patiences. If you can't get something right today, leave it for tomorrow.
As far as strats. All strats have a flaw in them. They are not like Les Pauls. Les Pauls are built to give you more accuracy and a few selected tones. They are great guitars. But Strats offer a wider variety of tones but are harder to work with it. It all depends on what you're looking for and what makes you comfortable. All string instruments will never be 100% perfect. You'll always have to maintain them from time to time. I would say strats need more maintaining than Les Pauls. I know because I own both. I love both of them for what they have to offer depending on what style of music I'm going to play. : )