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Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Dave25 - 05-06-2009 05:09 PM
Just wonderin'
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - emonerd826 - 05-06-2009 06:00 PM
There were some things I didn't like about sans-waters floyd. Like the fact that they sounded to New Age-y for my tastes. Secondly, their sound got poppier and mainstream because Roger was keeping them from achieving mainstream success. When you're such a great band, it's hard to not be commercially mainstream.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - mikoyan29 - 05-06-2009 06:37 PM
no, you're not....
But I do like Post-Waters Floyd...
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - MacPhisto - 05-06-2009 07:48 PM
Of course not. Personally, I hate it.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Revmoon Is The Uh Deal - 05-07-2009 12:10 AM
Meh... It's ok... it doesn't make my leg hair stand on end, or anything.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Mr. Mojo Risin' - 05-07-2009 03:24 PM
I don't like post-Waters Floyd to be honest. I don't hate it though, I just can't get anything from it but I don't know it may grow on me sometime (which I hardly doubt). But you're not the only one who doesn't like it, and you wouldn't be the only one who loved it. I heard some people say that The Division Bell is their best album, so...
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - spinstergirl - 05-07-2009 06:36 PM
Since they really only made 2 other albums after Roger, not counting the collections like Pluse and Echos, there isn't all that much to like or dislike. David's guitar work is very good on both TDB and AMLOR . On The Turning Away, Sorrow, A Great Day For Freedom and Keep Talking are decent, even though they lack the edginess of the music with Roger. i alway felt that the David's guitar solo On The Turning Away is just as good a Comfortably Numb.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - NotNowJohn - 05-07-2009 07:43 PM
I like some of it and then their is some I wasn't crazy about, but it was still Floyd and like anything Floyd that was available at the time!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Pink Flow - 05-07-2009 10:02 PM
I actually prefer it to the Wall and the Final Cut.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 05-08-2009 07:20 AM
Pink Flow Wrote:I actually prefer it to the Wall and the Final Cut.
Me too.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - OlgaHH - 05-08-2009 07:54 AM
Well, post-Waters PF is not so good, but I like it much more than The Final Cut. However, most of all I like pre-DSOTM Pink Floyd!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 05-08-2009 09:30 AM
Should have added that I like post-Waters Floyd a lot better than post-Floyd Waters as well.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - mikoyan29 - 05-08-2009 11:16 AM
silverpot Wrote:Should have added that I like post-Waters Floyd a lot better than post-Floyd Waters as well.Blasphemy!!!!!
Actually...I like both equally well but I think if they were still combined we'd get some really good music instead of good music.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 05-08-2009 11:59 AM
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Mr. Mojo Risin' - 05-08-2009 02:25 PM
Pink Flow Wrote:I actually prefer it to the Wall and the Final Cut.
To The Final Cut, yes!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - IbanezIsTheColour - 05-08-2009 09:09 PM
I do like post-Waters Floyd, AMLOR has a few good songs and TDB has more, but there are plenty of people here/used to be here who definitely don't like it...
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - floydcrazy - 05-08-2009 11:22 PM
I do like post waters Floyd. I can pretty much listen to anything from Meddle onwards. I think AMLOR and TDB have their bright spots and a couple weak spots. Yes, it does sound new age-y, but I still like it. For some reason, I really like the song Keep Talking.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-09-2009 02:20 AM
Mr. Mojo Risin Wrote:Pink Flow Wrote:I actually prefer it to the Wall and the Final Cut.
To The Final Cut, yes!
yep
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - MacPhisto - 05-09-2009 02:26 AM
Aww, I'll bet I'm the one of the only ones here who thinks The Final Cut completely annihilates all post-Roger Floyd :(
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-09-2009 02:31 AM
MacPhisto Wrote:Aww, I'll bet I'm the one of the only ones here who thinks The Final Cut completely annihilates all post-Roger Floyd :(
TFC is a great Rog solo album.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - DJKalteraphine - 05-09-2009 05:08 AM
cevor Wrote:MacPhisto Wrote:Aww, I'll bet I'm the one of the only ones here who thinks The Final Cut completely annihilates all post-Roger Floyd :(
TFC is a great Rog solo album.
The Final Cut is a great Roger solo album - but Amused to Death is even better.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-09-2009 05:09 AM
DJKalteraphine Wrote:cevor Wrote:MacPhisto Wrote:Aww, I'll bet I'm the one of the only ones here who thinks The Final Cut completely annihilates all post-Roger Floyd :(
TFC is a great Rog solo album.
The Final Cut is a great Roger solo album - but Amused to Death is even better.
Agreed!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - MacPhisto - 05-09-2009 05:28 AM
Disagreed!
Sorry, had to.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - OlgaHH - 05-09-2009 05:41 AM
Quote:Should have added that I like post-Waters Floyd a lot better than post-Floyd Waters as well.
I totally agree with you!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Mr. Mojo Risin' - 05-09-2009 10:06 AM
cevor Wrote:MacPhisto Wrote:Aww, I'll bet I'm the one of the only ones here who thinks The Final Cut completely annihilates all post-Roger Floyd :(
TFC is a great Rog solo album.
What he says...
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Pink Waters - 05-09-2009 05:22 PM
I am a David Gilmour Fan, I dont like post-Waters Floyd is this a Momentary Lapse of Reason?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-10-2009 01:24 AM
Yes, yes it is.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Kimbers Sheep - 05-10-2009 06:46 AM
I remember buying The Final Cut the day it came out..listened to the whole thing, thought hmmm, let's try again....and I was left with my first impression...as far as Pink Floyd went it was rubbish (the years have done little to change that opinion). Then, AMLOR was released, once again I bought it the day it was released, and to this day I still think it's a pretty good Pink Floyd album, not great, but pretty good. Just my opinion of course but Roger had simply forgotten that while music can, and very often does make a statement, it had still better be music, not just lyrics sung (spoken) on top of some melodies (which for the most part aren't even catchy ones).
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - A Saucerful of Secrets - 05-10-2009 08:41 PM
I like it all. I think that it is great that they carried on after Roger left.
One could say he never left, but we all know he was very was surprised they carried on at all.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Tbach - 08-07-2009 10:20 AM
a Momentary Lapse of Reason is bad(by pink floyd standerds) division bell is great
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - JonnyPink - 08-11-2009 07:31 PM
I'm actually not much of a fan of post-Animals Pink Floyd :) I mean I can appreciate some of their later stuff ... but it doesn't really kick my ass like their earlier stuff does.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Androkles - 08-11-2009 10:25 PM
Nope, you're not.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - vess_csm - 08-23-2009 07:23 AM
I very much like post-Waters Floyd. Yes the two albums are strongly orientated towards Gilmour's guitar and solos. Roger's egdge misses at some points. But both TDV and AMLOR are better than TFC, imo. As somebody already said - the music, melody, are as important, if not very much more important, than the lyrics. Just writing some good poetry over a tune doesn't do the trick.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - TheKernel - 09-04-2009 04:24 AM
hey man, we're all allowed to like whichever side of pink floyd we like aren't we?
for me it goes
1. DSOTM
2. Meddle
3. WYWH
4. Obscured by Clouds
5. The Wall
6. Division Bell
because rick and david are where i'm biased. to me i can't listen through one whole final cut song because it's just floyd without rick and that ain't right. floyd without roger is fine because there wasn't a lot of musicality lost, and that's where floyd speaks to me.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 02-22-2010 08:46 AM
I happen to love post-Waters Floyd. It shows what happens when you take the music in the other direction. Roger went too far lyrically, some would say David went too far musically but to me.....the music is what moves me before the words do.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - azimuth - 02-23-2010 06:45 PM
Personally I wouldn't care if I ever heard AMOLR again, except for Sorrow, if only to remind me how killer the solo is, especially the Knebworth version.
As for the Division Bell, Marooned is the only one I'd save. It seems to hearken back to the good old pre DSOTM days for me.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - phloydologist - 02-23-2010 08:44 PM
For the longest time, I disliked any song off either of their final 2 albums, eventually I grew to liking them. I am not too sure what made me do that, but I do agree with a majority of these postings - Pink Floyd was better with Waters.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - wot's uh the deal? - 02-24-2010 12:09 AM
the revision hell and the momentary lapse of content plus the delicate sound of cash registers.......not much to sink your teeth into ........ bar the two track s azimuth mentioned....
Fat Dave without Waters has nothing to sing about . BUT radio kaos is ludicrously contrived and needed someone to make it more musical.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - wet dream - 02-24-2010 03:06 AM
It doesn't look like it.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - quicksilver - 02-24-2010 02:40 PM
(02-24-2010 12:09 AM)wot's uh the deal? Wrote: the revision hell and the momentary lapse of content plus the delicate sound of cash registers.......not much to sink your teeth into ........ bar the two track s azimuth mentioned....
Fat Dave without Waters has nothing to sing about . BUT radio kaos is ludicrously contrived and needed someone to make it more musical.
I personally do like AMLOR, and TDB even moreso. The Divison Bell in particular is a wonderful balance of lyrics and music sadly missing since WYWH. I love Animals.....but this is also a departure from their previous work. Sans 3 or 4 songs, The Wall and TFC are not my cup of tea. I think they're musically lacking to some degree and there's way too much of an emphasis on the lyrics for my taste.
Once you grow up, you'll learn that you can get your point across without ripping those fans who do like the post Waters Floyd. When you use terms like "Fat Dave" .......your intelligence really shows.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 02-24-2010 02:43 PM
I have to agree, the ridiculous name-calling is uncalled for.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - azimuth - 02-24-2010 03:00 PM
Yeah, we all get more corpulent with age, even the great David Gilmour!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 02-24-2010 05:56 PM
I don't think David looks all that heavy, to be honest. He's 63, they can't all be as thin as Mick Jagger. As long as he's healthy, takes care of himself (which I've read he does) and is happy.....I don't give a flip what he looks like. He's still as handsome to me anyway, as he was in the 70s.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - wet dream - 02-24-2010 06:40 PM
(05-06-2009 05:09 PM)Dave25 Wrote: Just wonderin'
Long after you and I are both gone, history will always state this.
Out of all the Pink Floyd Lp's (That's PF MKI, II & III) the "Division Bell" was the only one to go No 1 in both the US and the UK. It is also the LP from which there one and only Grammy was lifted from.
Roger Water said in the documentary "Which ones Pink" that he preformed to 2000 people in a 6000 seat hall and the next night PF (MK III) were playing at a stadium next door to a sell out crowd of 45000. The vast majority of fans wanted more of Pink Floyd and there music, not necessarily more of the the rock theater and lyrics.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - wot's uh the deal? - 02-25-2010 06:28 AM
Holy cows are for Hindus!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - codayo61 - 02-25-2010 07:53 PM
I respect Roger so much for leaving Pink Floyd back in the 80's. Even if he didnt think they would continue he must have realized they would have been a collossus of a force to fight. In the Which ones Pink doc he says it was really discouraging but he had to keep going.
And I think for Dave was brave too for continuing.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - ricky66 - 03-14-2010 03:56 PM
One listen to Poles Apart reinforces the deserved number one chart status of the division bell in my view. Fantastic track on a very underrated (by many Floyd fans) album. I think the division bell ranks up there with almost anything from the floyd catalogue. Animals still speaks loudest to me though, listening to it now, genius........
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 03-14-2010 05:27 PM
I agree, Poles Apart is amazing. One of my favorite lines, from any PF song in any era, is in that song.
"And did you see, that it wasn't only me you were running from."
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - codayo61 - 03-15-2010 10:21 AM
(03-14-2010 05:27 PM)Electrophile Wrote: I agree, Poles Apart is amazing. One of my favorite lines, from any PF song in any era, is in that song.
"And did you see, that it wasn't only me you were running from."
I can agree with that. Its probably the best song on the album for me.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - RogerWatersRules - 05-10-2010 05:49 PM
I don't hate the work of Post-Waters Floyd, but I only like a few songs. It's just kind of funny, after DG talked at the time about how weak he thought TFC was. And now we know why Roger left. If someone is putting your songs down all the time, you're not going to take the abuse. So although people always demonize Roger, I think they forget that DG, Rick, and NM probably did their share of putting Roger down as well - and they outnumbered him, so he must have felt the way TFC fans feel now, with everyone saying they're wrong to feel that way. "Showing feelings of an almost human nature - this will not do!"
Luckily, he still knew his ideas were good. But I'm sure it wasn't easy.
And despite what the sheep say, TFC is an emotional work of breathtaking genius, and after an astounding original vision like that, where do you go from there? Roger chose to end the band - and it was over. But no PF member solo album would ever sell a lot without the Pink Floyd brand name. So we know the rest - which is not to knock Dave as a person (although many personally attack Roger, which is wrong) but the music it not as powerful as the singing, lyrics, and melodies on TFC. But hey, nothing is.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 05-10-2010 08:16 PM
(05-10-2010 05:49 PM)RogerWatersRules Wrote: It's just kind of funny, after DG talked at the time about how weak he thought TFC was. And now we know why Roger left. If someone is putting your songs down all the time, you're not going to take the abuse. So although people always demonize Roger, I think they forget that DG, Rick, and NM probably did their share of putting Roger down as well - and they outnumbered him, so he must have felt the way TFC fans feel now, with everyone saying they're wrong to feel that way. "Showing feelings of an almost human nature - this will not do!"
Luckily, he still knew his ideas were good. But I'm sure it wasn't easy.
I don't know what's the most wrong thing about this -- the idea that Roger was the persecuted one that was always on the defensive, or that the reason Roger claimed Pink Floyd was a "spent force creatively" had nothing to do with his overweening arrogance. Even worse, you claim the people who don't like The Final Cut are "sheep". The hell?
Roger made it virtually impossible for David and Nick to contribute in any meaningful way to The Final Cut, and Rick had been kicked out of the band 3 years earlier, so he had absolutely no part in it. Hell, they barely had any contributions to The Wall, aside from Young Lust, Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb. That's what, 3 songs out of 21? The Final Cut was essentially stuff from the cutting room floor that didn't make The Wall and when David said that they should work on totally new material, Roger essentially told him to go eff himself. How can a group get any work done in that kind of environment?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - quicksilver - 05-11-2010 11:36 AM
(05-10-2010 05:49 PM)RogerWatersRules Wrote: Roger chose to end the band - and it was over.
Umm, who's the real sheep here.....
For the 1 billionth time. Roger did not choose to end the band. He chose to leave the band. Big difference.....
It was not HIS band to end.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-11-2010 11:39 AM
(05-11-2010 11:36 AM)quicksilver Wrote:(05-10-2010 05:49 PM)RogerWatersRules Wrote: Roger chose to end the band - and it was over.
Umm, who's the real sheep here.....
For the 1 billionth time. Roger did not choose to end the band. He chose to leave the band. Big difference.....
It was not HIS band to end.
Exactly right, history cannot be re-written.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 05-11-2010 02:29 PM
For every person who thinks David Gilmour is Jesus Christ, there's 10 people who think Roger Waters is God. Both sets of people are annoying. I don't deify anyone and I don't excuse anyone either. The only person in the band who probably had no hand in the band's problems was Nick -- he strikes me as the kind of person content to not get involved. Everyone else had their hand in the cookie jar as far as that went.
That being said, it was Roger who said "Eff this, I'm out of here" and left the group, claiming that Pink Floyd was no more. Well.....that wasn't his call to make. He was free to leave and he did, and David and Nick were free to continue as Pink Floyd and do what they want to do. Which they did.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 05-11-2010 03:25 PM
I won't say I really hate what they have done after Waters left, but I think they're absolutely the worst albums Pink Floyd has produced. The Division Bell has a sound that leans a lot towards The Dark Side of the Moon, though, which is nice. But the compositions and lyrics are really empty.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Jeff 2012 - 05-11-2010 08:59 PM
The one thing I really missed about the band after Wish You Were Here , was the musical content . Not surprising , considering the strong personalities involved , there was discord between the two guys who were the driving forces in the band when more emphasis was put on the lyrical content to the exclusion and detriment of the musical aspects of the composition . You know what , I actually like the Wall and the Final Cut , but I can't help but think , what if Roger had been secure enough to let David have more input in how things went . Oh well , I've long since forgiven both of them for being human , but what if ?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Floydy - 05-13-2010 12:23 AM
A Momentary Lapse of Reason was ok. I didn't like The Division Bell.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - PinkVoid - 05-14-2010 06:45 AM
(05-11-2010 03:25 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: I won't say I really hate what they have done after Waters left, but I think they're absolutely the worst albums Pink Floyd has produced. The Division Bell has a sound that leans a lot towards The Dark Side of the Moon, though, which is nice. But the compositions and lyrics are really empty.
We're on the same page here :) Except that I really do dislike MLOR, mainly because of the awful 80s production, plus that I can't think of any songs on it that really like. The Division Bell is a little better with High Hopes, Coming Back to Life and Marooned. There's some tasty guiterwork on that album, but like Arno said: the lyrics are terrible (except for High Hopes), sometimes really makes you cringe.
I'd take The Wall & The Final Cut over the post-Waters stuff any day, but Roger's solo-stuff isn't all too impressive either, I feel.
Pink Floyd was better than the sum of their parts to say it in a cheesy way, but it's true, they really needed eachother to shine.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Libbywaters74D - 05-14-2010 07:34 AM
no your not its all based on taste in the end but hate is a bit harsh of a word
I like The Division Bell and AMLOR is ok. I don't hate any of Pink Floyds music I have albums I like better then others but they all good albums.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - mcalldp - 05-17-2010 07:15 AM
(05-09-2009 02:26 AM)MacPhisto Wrote: Aww, I'll bet I'm the one of the only ones here who thinks The Final Cut completely annihilates all post-Roger Floyd :(
No, you're not the only one. While I do enjoy some of AMLOR and TDB neither can touch the emotional depth that The Final Cut carries throughout it's lyrics. The Gunners Dream?? Highly overlooked album by the more casual listeners.
I think it's because it relies more on the lyrics and less on melody compared to previous efforts which makes it harder for some to get into. Who knows, but I am with you; The Final Cut is a grand album.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 05-17-2010 07:40 AM
The Final Cut is a great Roger Waters solo album, you're correct.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - codayo61 - 05-17-2010 09:36 PM
The Final Cut is basically A Waters/Kamen album with very limited (only guitar solo's) input from Gilmour. In Nick Mason's book "PFAPHIO" he states something along the lines of "he [Waters] allowed the inclusion of David's guitar solo's which he was not even foolish to challenge."
As for the tensions and strains I made a post quite some time ago I'll try and find where I quoted Nick Mason several times on the issue of the breakup. One thing that truly makes me sad is that most Pink Floyd fans dont understand the tremendous, enormous, and massive stress Waters was put under over the years. Echoes was the first triumph associated with Pink Floyd. Echoes has amazing instrumentals, an adventurous constantly changing atmospheric feeling, which is only further complimented by the angelic harmonization of Gilmour and Wrights voices. However, it was neither of those which Echoes so mind blowing, it was none other than Roger's lyrics.
Roger's Lyrics reflected an almost tear jerking fantasy. Its as if he is envisioning a land of absolute peace and worrieless beauty. My personal favorite and I think the favorite of many is ;
Strangers passing in the street
By chance two separate glances meet
And I am you and what I see is me
And do I take you by the hand
And lead you through the land
And help me understand the best I can
In this verse waters explores the ability to see not only a piece of yourself but a piece of someone else in your own identity. Ive never ever seen a more comprehensible, truly magnificent way of conveying this feeling.
Its Water's lyrics that grabbed dedicated Pink Floyd fans and its his lyrics that Continued to hold them through the next twenty years.
Echoes was just the first triumph, after that he took it a step further with The Dark Side of the Moon which took the world by force and became one of the most iconic albums of all time.
Waters would continue to write all of the Pink Floyd albums, he became the driving force for a band that was only half as dedicated as he was. Theres nothing wrong with that its just that he was to talented to be contained by the other members of the band.
Following the release of Wish You Were Here, Waters asked the band about new material and most of them couldnt provide any. Instead Waters took initiative and wrote Pigs on the Wing (both parts), and decided to re-record Raving and Drooling as Sheep, and You Gotta be Crazy as Dogs. He re-wrote the lyrics to both songs in an attempt to create his first truly thematic album. The only song on that Album which was constructed as a band entirely was Pigs.
After Animals, All of the members in the band decided to take a break. Wright took a vacation to Greece which would later prevent him from becoming a producer on The Wall (the source of many contentions). Roger came up with ideas for The Wall and The Pros and Cons of Hitchiking. Seeing as how both Albums were being written at the same time, it only makes sense that they "sounded exactly the same" as Gilmour states. The lyrical content is what differed. After showing the band the Demo's they chose to work on The Wall... although Steve O'Rourke liked The Pro's and Con's demos better. During the time between the Wall Nick had mostly been investing his time in Racing Cars, and Rick had refused to come back from his vacation to record the Wall in time for a summer release.
This meant that two out of the four members of the band were more or less out of practice, or for other reasons unable to perform there duties adaquetly during the Wall sessions. Gilmour got his contributions in the form of many songs ; Another Brick in the Wall Part 2, Hey You, Young Lust, Comfortably Numb, Run Like Hell, and Mother. But these are just songs he had a lot of influence on, his guitar solo's were still prevalent and treated as the center of attention for other songs.
So I dont know why People say he barely had input on the Wall?
After ten years of making Pink Floyd as popular as they were Waters was stressed, and exhausted yet he still managed to battle the record company for all rights to the Wall. If you ask me the members of Pink Floyd owe Roger Waters most of their success. After being fucked out of the money they put into Britannia Row(i believe it was Britannia row this part is a bit hazy i'll look it up later) they lost huge amounts of money. This was only made worse by the impending arrival date of an album to there record company.
Waters Bailed there asses out when they werent willing to do it themselves. I dont blame Roger Waters for taking control of a band he launched into superstardom all by himself. And It truly makes me sad that the vast majority of Pink Floyd fans casual or dedicated refuse to educate themselves on the proper history of the band and then militantly state there opinions of Roger as if he is a demon of sorts.
That being Said I Like AMLOR and TDB is okay.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Mademoiselle Nobz - 05-18-2010 02:53 AM
and yes... He is still doing a tour to this day :)
Good Post!! Thank-You
Your friend..Nobz
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 05-18-2010 07:48 AM
Oh yes poor, poor, pitiful Roger Waters. He's so trod upon and stepped on and disrespected. Why, it's like no one talks about the amazing lyrics he's written or the great contributions he made to the band's musical output as well. All anyone talks about is how evil and horrible and dastardly he is.
I swear, as much as I love and admire David, I have no problem admitting that his own ego and his own personality issues contributed to the friction in the band -- it's almost like Team Roger can't admit he had ANY fault in what happened. It's hysterical.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - quicksilver - 05-18-2010 11:09 AM
(05-18-2010 07:48 AM)Electrophile Wrote: Oh yes poor, poor, pitiful Roger Waters. He's so trod upon and stepped on and disrespected. Why, it's like no one talks about the amazing lyrics he's written or the great contributions he made to the band's musical output as well. All anyone talks about is how evil and horrible and dastardly he is.
I swear, as much as I love and admire David, I have no problem admitting that his own ego and his own personality issues contributed to the friction in the band -- it's almost like Team Roger can't admit he had ANY fault in what happened. It's hysterical.
You're absolutely right...and its always been that way. That's exactly what bothers me so much about Team Roger. They'll find any way to justify their reasoning even if it sounds obsurd.
I myself am a David fan and always have been; but it would be pretty ignorant of me not to acknowledge Roger's obvious talents and contributions to the band. In all honestly, before David joined, Roger was a piss poor writer and run of the mill bass player. Its when David joined that they began the steps to find themselves musically. Even more so than his guitar playing; it was David's ear for music that really kicked everything off for them. He and Rick fed off each other very well and created some awesome music. During this period, Roger grew as a writer in part because David & Rick were so talented musically.....it inspired him. I've always said that David Gilmour was the best thing ever to happen to Roger Waters.
Further more, David himself has always said that lyrics are not his cup of tea. He's also admitted that there were times when he just didn't have anything to offer musically at one time or another. Difference is that Roger is very insecure in his abilities and David isn't. David knows what his limits are and accepts them. Roger himself is a very ignortant person.
I don't know... its just laughable at times.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Libbywaters74D - 05-18-2010 11:48 AM
Every member of Pink Floyd Syd,David,Rick, Roger and Nick were great at something
David can play a mean guitar better a lot of people who have held a guitar
Roger is a great song writer and poet
AMLOR is a Pink Floyd album and so it The Final Cut
I just wonder why we can't just along
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-18-2010 01:57 PM
This is why we avoid David vs. Roger threads in general here. There's always going to be extreme statements made on both sides of the issue. It's also impossible to re-write history. While the facts are clear to many it's the few with their own ideas that cause all of the issues. That being said..
We will not tolerate wildly incorrect opinions to turn the forum into a flaming match. Some of the opinions (not facts) stated here border on trolling so either keep your cool and express away or posts will be deleted as needed.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - quicksilver - 05-18-2010 01:58 PM
(05-18-2010 11:48 AM)Libbywaters74D Wrote: Every member of Pink Floyd Syd,David,Rick, Roger and Nick were great at something
David can play a mean guitar better a lot of people who have held a guitar
Roger is a great song writer and poet
AMLOR is a Pink Floyd album and so it The Final Cut
I just wonder why we can't just along
Well, sounds great on paper, but not all factual. I know you were always a Roger fan from back in the NPF days......probably 6-7 years ago if I reacll. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
David was more than an awesome guitar player. He made Roger lyrics come to life. He, and to a lessor degree Rick, shaped the Pink Floyd sound. Listen to Obscurd by clouds; listen to the vast available boots from '69-'72; listen to the '74'-75 boots when they were playing You got to be Crazy and Raving & Drooling. Everytime I listen to Raving & Drooling follwed by Sheep I cringe at the fact that no credit was given to David. I can apply this to numerous songs as well..........
Yes Roger is a great song writer and poet. I would also argue a wonderful concept artist. But, keep in mind that without David those songs would be shadow of themselves.
I would argue that AMLOR is a Pink Floyd record and The Final Cut is a Pink Floyd record only by name. My reasoning is as follows:
TFC is a Pink Floyd record only in name:
- The music is seriously lacking in my opinion.
- No Rick, due to the fact that Roger basic reduced his ego down to nothing.
- Very little David input due to the fact that no matter what David brought to the table, it would't have been good enough. He did have some nice guitar parts, but trust me 'Ole Rog signed off on them I'm sure.
-Not one song is identifiable as a "Pink Floyd song" by anyone other than true Floyd fans. And the last time I heard a song on the radio.........Duran Duran was relevant.
AMLOR is a Pink Floyd record:
-Right from the get go everyone just knows it's Pink Floyd...why would that Be?
- Like or dislike, Learning to Fly, Sorrow and OTTA are frequently played and recognizable. All three are among my favorite songs.
Sales squashed TFC because it sounded like what fans expected.
I know this has always been a hot button issue and am sick of this constant debate myself. THe whole difference to me is I can admit David's fault (and he himself will).........but Team Roger never will.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Libbywaters74D - 05-18-2010 03:02 PM
I hate that everything has to be Teamed like "Team Roger" "Team" David. No human is perfect and has pulled some stupid stuff. I think TFC is a Pink Floyd album that enjoy very much. I am a Roger Waters fan but I do enjoy "Learning To Fly" and "Sorrow" as well.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-18-2010 03:09 PM
I like to think of the band as having four phases, the Syd, The Band, The Roger and The David. Each was fantastic, each brought legions of fans to the band. The difference is when someone leaves they cease to contribute and are relevant historically only. Each was an evolution in its own right.
I never much liked the Syd era, the rest are all legend to me.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 05-18-2010 03:14 PM
Its interesting to note how different PF fans percieve the music.
For me the lyrics of Echoes is just a string of words, just to enable the human voices to add to the other instruments. To make a whole. I dont see any particular depth in those words. Its the music that speaks to me.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 05-18-2010 03:22 PM
(05-18-2010 03:02 PM)Libbywaters74D Wrote: I hate that everything has to be Teamed like "Team Roger" "Team" David. No human is perfect and has pulled some stupid stuff. I think TFC is a Pink Floyd album that enjoy very much. I am a Roger Waters fan but I do enjoy "Learning To Fly" and "Sorrow" as well.
Team Roger = the people who think Roger had no part in Pink Floyd's problems and therefore, should shoulder no blame/responsibility for the mess between 1977 and 1985.
Team David = the people who think David had no part in Pink Floyd's problems and therefore, should shoulder no blame/responsibility for the mess between 1977 and 1985.
That's what it means. And they do exist, don't kid yourself. I know people from both camps. As much as I'm a Gilmour Girl, I'm not of the opinion that David is perfect and somehow has risen above all the problems the band went through. He had an ego of his own that clashed horrifically with Roger's, Rick had a drug problem that made it impossible for him to work and that caused friction between him, Roger and David......Nick.....I think Nick might be the only truly blameless person in the whole thing. I don't remember ever reading anything that suggested he was part of all the drama and infighting. I think he was content to just sit back and let the other three make asses of themselves, and they did.
Which truly sucks because they were so damn good and pissed it all away. To think of what great music the four of them could have done after The Wall if only they would have pulled their heads from their asses.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Libbywaters74D - 05-18-2010 03:28 PM
I am a Roger Waters girl and yeah he did have a bit of an ago problem but I love his music with and without Pink Floyd.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - wet dream - 05-19-2010 05:15 AM
(05-18-2010 01:57 PM)cevor Wrote: It's also impossible to re-write history.
History was written, and there was no better way for them (Pink Floyd) to finish, than with a studio LP, with a Grammy winning track that went to No 1 in the US and the UK. I guess there were many people in the world that thought there's more to music than just the lyrics. It's called music and it's not science, it's just music and how it moves you.
Good luck to Roger with his tour.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 05-19-2010 06:55 AM
(05-19-2010 05:15 AM)wet dream Wrote:(05-18-2010 01:57 PM)cevor Wrote: It's also impossible to re-write history.
History was written, and there was no better way for them (Pink Floyd) to finish, than with a studio LP, with a Grammy winning track that went to No 1 in the US and the UK. I guess there were many people in the world that thought there's more to music than just the lyrics. It's called music and it's not science, it's just music and how it moves you.
Good luck to Roger with his tour.
Well said... All of the best to Roger on his tour!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-05-2010 05:31 PM
Seems gravedigging isn't frowned upon on this forum, so I thought I'd add my view. :)
In my opinion, post-Waters Pink Floyd is just as empty as post-Pink Floyd Waters. Roger tried to work with all kinds of musicians (because, admittedly, Roger is not a musician. He's a composer/artist/whatever you want to call it. He creates music, but doesn't really play it), and it ended up rather horribly because he didn't have a sound of his own. Each of his albums sound completely different (hell, even each of his songs do) and there's no structure. Lyrically and compositionally, he was God, but he didn't have any arrangements.
About David and what was left of Pink Floyd; they had arrangements. They had a great sound (I think TDB is even as good as Dark Side of the Moon, sound-wise) but they didn't have any songs or inspiration. And in case they didn't have the "Pink Floyd" name, they would have been just as unsuccessful as Roger was on his own. I know it may sound degrading, but David was clearly not made for leading a band on his own. When I listen to his songs, all I hear is an overuse of guitars, and half-assed lyrics with amazing one-liners but not a single song of which each line is spot on. (High Hopes may be an exception to this.) His attempts to make his music more "special" were vain, too, and that's something Roger completely failed at as well. The fair-like sounds in Poles Apart and the woodcutting sounds in one of the songs on Amused To Death (can't remember which) are completely useless and meaningless. I'm quite sure they were both just trying to sound like Pink Floyd, though.
All in all, it's quite simple. Both tried to do things without each other, and both failed. They had always relied on each other, and they simply couldn't create any decent music without their usual bandmates. It's the fate of all great artists. In case Roger, David, Rick, Nick or Syd would not have existed, the other four would never ever have been famous. (With the exception of David, I guess, since he's an amazing guitar player who could probably fit into any band.) Syd's departure was a different story, but when Roger left, they weren't going to be as successful/influential as before. Simply impossible. Even Lennon and McCartney failed at that; how could Pink Floyd possibly think they'd succeed? ;D
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-06-2010 08:47 AM
In my opinion, there are three Pink Floyds; Pink Floyd, Post-Syd Pink Floyd, Post-Waters Pink Floyd. They all have different-ish styles.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 12-06-2010 08:57 AM
This has been hashed over so many times, the plain fact of the matter is that the "post-Waters" Floyd was every bit, if not more successful than the band was before. Album and concert ticket sales don't lie. Roger's solo releases were (are) brilliant as well.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-06-2010 09:35 AM
Uh...? I'd like some references or quotes for that statement. Not to mention that it's rather irrelevant. Unless you're going to say that Justin Bieber is one of the best artists of all time.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 12-06-2010 09:41 AM
Like I said... it's been done over and over, it's right here on the forum. Irrelevant? Hardly, no more than your previous post based strictly on opinion.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-06-2010 11:06 AM
Suppose so. I've -tried- to make an objective analysis of the music and state my subjective opinions alongside... Which is how reviews are usually made. (Not that I'd really call this a real review... I hardly scratched the surface in my post.)
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-06-2010 12:14 PM
I would love to see a fully detailed review of AMLOR and TDB from you, Arno. Would be a very interesting read, no doubt.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-06-2010 12:44 PM
... Right. I would maybe do that if it wouldn't cause a shitstorm of "zomg biased u roger fanboy". Figuratively speaking.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - cevor - 12-06-2010 12:48 PM
Cool idea, just start a new thread. Hopefully the population here is past throwing shitstorms...heh.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-06-2010 01:03 PM
It's a matter of opinion. Nick, Rick and Sydd are badass.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-06-2010 03:50 PM
I don't require people to like AMLoR or TDB, nor do I think people should like it if they say they are Pink Floyd fans. My problem....well, maybe problem is the wrong word, but my issue has been people who say that it's not really Pink Floyd because Roger wasn't in the band.....all the while calling The Final Cut a Pink Floyd album, even though Rick wasn't in the band.
No one member of the group was the group. Each one brought something to the group that was not replaceable when they were no longer in the band. Guy Pratt is a great bassist, but he's not Roger. David is a good to very good lyricist, but he's not Roger. The same as whoever Roger had to play keys and synths on The Final Cut was not Rick. Just like none of them were Syd.
This is merely been in my experience, but the people that I have found to dislike the last two Pink Floyd albums, don't dislike them because they don't like the music or the lyrics or a combo of the two, they dislike them purely because Roger was not a part of the band at that time.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-07-2010 03:43 AM
Do realize, though, that some things are simply essential for people. I think there's no argument about David's voice being soothing and calm, while Roger's is piercing and emotional. Singers make a hell of a difference, and there simply are people who don't want to listen to a Pink Floyd album that lacks Roger's voice. Many people dislike More for the very same reason.
Imagine Wish You Were Here having been recorded without David. No guitar solos at all. I think "I hate it because Dave's not there" would be a very valid reason to dislike the album.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Floydy - 12-07-2010 09:31 PM
I like AMLOR, it's a good album. Not as good as the classic Floyd but it's a good album, I like the feel and the tone of it. The Division Bell I don't like. The whole tone and feel of that album just does not sit right with me. I've listened to it a good number of times and nothing. It's not that Roger didn't play on it or anything like that, it just dosn't do anything for me. I like The Final Cut and Richard wasn't on that album. To me it's the sound, the tone and the feeling of an album that is more important, not who was on it.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-08-2010 06:35 AM
(12-07-2010 03:43 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: Do realize, though, that some things are simply essential for people.
I can understand that. However for me it's not so much people saying they don't like AMLoR or The Division Bell because Roger's not on it, and maybe I didn't make my point well enough, but it's the people who don't like them because he's not on the albums AND because they think it's not Pink Floyd without him. So it's two-fold. To say you don't like something not just because so-and-so isn't there but because so-and-so isn't there it's not Pink Floyd and thus you can't like it.....I never got that.
I don't believe Roger made Pink Floyd anymore than David did or Nick did or Rick did or even Syd did. They're all responsible for what they became, each in their own way.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - wet dream - 12-08-2010 01:53 PM
Sorry Guys/Gals.
Without David and the late Richard, it's not Floyd. These guys were the engine room IMO.
As far as these 3 LP being discussed go, my favorites are,
The Division Bell,
AMLOR,
TFC
We're all different. I'm into music, not lyrics.
w d.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-08-2010 02:58 PM
(12-08-2010 06:35 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote:(12-07-2010 03:43 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: Do realize, though, that some things are simply essential for people.
I can understand that. However for me it's not so much people saying they don't like AMLoR or The Division Bell because Roger's not on it, and maybe I didn't make my point well enough, but it's the people who don't like them because he's not on the albums AND because they think it's not Pink Floyd without him. So it's two-fold. To say you don't like something not just because so-and-so isn't there but because so-and-so isn't there it's not Pink Floyd and thus you can't like it.....I never got that.
I don't believe Roger made Pink Floyd anymore than David did or Nick did or Rick did or even Syd did. They're all responsible for what they became, each in their own way.
That's completely true. I think that the presence or absence shouldn't mean that much to people, unless they can actually put their finger on something they hear and say "That's where I miss this person".
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-09-2010 08:06 AM
(12-08-2010 02:58 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:(12-08-2010 06:35 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote:(12-07-2010 03:43 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: Do realize, though, that some things are simply essential for people.
I can understand that. However for me it's not so much people saying they don't like AMLoR or The Division Bell because Roger's not on it, and maybe I didn't make my point well enough, but it's the people who don't like them because he's not on the albums AND because they think it's not Pink Floyd without him. So it's two-fold. To say you don't like something not just because so-and-so isn't there but because so-and-so isn't there it's not Pink Floyd and thus you can't like it.....I never got that.
I don't believe Roger made Pink Floyd anymore than David did or Nick did or Rick did or even Syd did. They're all responsible for what they became, each in their own way.
That's completely true. I think that the presence or absence shouldn't mean that much to people, unless they can actually put their finger on something they hear and say "That's where I miss this person".
I can listen to parts of The Wall or The Final Cut and feel the same way about Rick that some people feel about Roger, in relation to the latter two PF albums. I guess the difference for me is that while I miss what Rick contributed to the band and his absence in most ways was in places quite glaring, I don't believe that what PF put out on The Wall or even The Final Cut shouldn't be called a PF record, even if The Final Cut basically sounds like a Roger Waters solo album.
I guess I'm just overprotective of their latter two albums since they get dumped on so much.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Johnnnyb5 - 12-10-2010 01:23 PM
I am probably in the minority from what I have read but I love it all. Post waters included. While there are some songs post that arent as good as others there is some amazing stuff on those two albums. The only time I really think about one or the other is when I see either live. Seeing PF live post roger I so missed his voice and seeing Roger post floyd I so missed Daves voice as well as his guitar cuz no matter who Roger has had play guitar they havent been able to replicate daves sound and style close enough.
But that being said, I'm a huge fan and don't get into the which one is better. I just love em all.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-10-2010 03:24 PM
(12-09-2010 08:06 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote: I guess I'm just overprotective of their latter two albums since they get dumped on so much.
Heh, just like I'm protective of TFC and The Wall, I guess. That's why I didn't like you calling TFC a Waters solo album earlier. :P
Anyway, I don't think it even sounds like solo stuff. It sounds more like Animals than anything else he's done, in my opinion.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-10-2010 03:37 PM
they've done*
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-10-2010 04:13 PM
He's*. Including his solo stuff, I mean. I don't mean to say he did Animals on his own or anything like that.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 12-11-2010 09:43 AM
I think I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I tend to view even the solo albums as Pink Floyd albums.
It's impossible to listen to David, Rick or Roger without hearing traces of all the elements of what they did together. It's also very interesting, since it gets quite obvious who brought what to the table.
It also amazes me how much AMLOR and Radio KAOS have in common. Dig deeply into those two albums and you'll get the feeling they were in the same studio at the same time, secretly collaborating.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Pink_Layne - 12-11-2010 10:31 AM
it's ok.
not so good as early stuff, but millenniums ahead anything that Roger Waters done after 'The Wall'
i really like Sorrow, Marooned & Coming back to life
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-13-2010 06:28 AM
(12-11-2010 09:43 AM)silverpot Wrote: It also amazes me how much AMLOR and Radio KAOS have in common. Dig deeply into those two albums and you'll get the feeling they were in the same studio at the same time, secretly collaborating.
This is rather interesting. I personally don't hear it, but you aren't the first person who has said this. I think a lot of it can be chalked up to the fact that David and Roger really do work best together, even if what they put out by themselves (or in the case of this album, with Nick and Rick) isn't that shabby either.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-13-2010 08:51 AM
(12-13-2010 06:28 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote:(12-11-2010 09:43 AM)silverpot Wrote: It also amazes me how much AMLOR and Radio KAOS have in common. Dig deeply into those two albums and you'll get the feeling they were in the same studio at the same time, secretly collaborating.
This is rather interesting. I personally don't hear it, but you aren't the first person who has said this. I think a lot of it can be chalked up to the fact that David and Roger really do work best together, even if what they put out by themselves (or in the case of this album, with Nick and Rick) isn't that shabby either.
I wouldn't put it the way Silverpot put it, but I definitely hear a lot of similarities between those two albums. And your post hit the nail on the head explaining why it is like that. :)
I personally consider Pro & Cons and AMLoR to be Roger's and David's worst effort at song writing... They really missed each other in the studio, despite their difficutlies together.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-13-2010 09:08 AM
What do you mean they 'missed' each other? 'I wanna be with David' kind of missing? or 'holy, hell, I need Roger' kind of thing?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-13-2010 10:02 AM
The latter, obviously. :P
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-13-2010 11:27 AM
(12-13-2010 09:08 AM)Joe Wrote: What do you mean they 'missed' each other? 'I wanna be with David' kind of missing? or 'holy, hell, I need Roger' kind of thing?
Maybe more like "apart they do fine, but together they do better". Sort of like how chocolate is good, peanut butter is good, but chocolate and peanut butter together is great.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-13-2010 12:19 PM
I don't consider either of them to have been very productive in the early '80s though. But they both learned to work without each other and went on to release quite good albums (TDB and ATD).
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-13-2010 12:52 PM
I get your point. I don't like chocolate, though. Nor do I like peanut butter.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-13-2010 01:08 PM
YOU DON'T LIKE CHOCOLATE OR PEANUT BUTTER?! ARE YOU EVEN HUMAN?!?!?!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-13-2010 01:30 PM
As long as he likes spam, I guess he's alright.
Now DON'T go telling me you don't like spam. I'll pull the trigger! I'll do it!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-13-2010 03:18 PM
I could live without spam, but we all know hot wings are the true delicacy of the human race.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-13-2010 06:21 PM
Hot wings are alright but lemon pepper wings? That's the bomb dot com right there (to steal a phrase from my sister).
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-13-2010 11:25 PM
That's a pretty awesome phrase.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-14-2010 08:02 AM
It's ridiculous -- she picked it up from one of her 8th graders she student teaches.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-14-2010 09:48 AM
The bomb dot com? Your sister is creative.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-14-2010 02:05 PM
She is yes, and I'm immensely proud of her (don't tell her I said that) but she can't claim copyright on that little nugget. Some 8th grader in one of the classes she teaches came up with it and now she uses it constantly and I'm trying to get her to stop.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - pankaj333 - 12-18-2010 01:45 AM
well i dont know about this friend.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-18-2010 05:59 AM
I totally love Pink Lloyd's bassist way more than their guitar player. Just my humble opinion.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Floydy - 12-18-2010 07:16 AM
I like Loger Waters album "Amused By Spam"
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 07:42 AM
What about Brick Mason? I hear he was a great drummer for the Lloyd.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 12-18-2010 10:07 AM
There should be a smiley for "rolling on the floor, laughing" which I'm doing at your comments right now.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-18-2010 10:19 AM
(12-18-2010 10:07 AM)silverpot Wrote: There should be a smiley for "rolling on the floor, laughing" which I'm doing at your comments right now.
I second that.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 11:38 AM
(12-18-2010 10:07 AM)silverpot Wrote: There should be a smiley for "rolling on the floor, laughing" which I'm doing at your comments right now.
What, you don't like Brick Mason? Next you'll say Mick Bright was a bad keyboardist.
I tell you, the Lloyd gets no respect.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-18-2010 11:50 AM
Ahh...priceless.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-18-2010 12:08 PM
By the way, do you guys know that the band's original name was The Pink Lloyd Cloud?
I'm a walking Pink Lloyd encyclopedia, I tell you!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-18-2010 12:51 PM
Pink Lloyd was a much better band when Lloyd "Lyd" Barret was the leader.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 12:56 PM
Who's their guitarist? Isn't it Dave Fillmore? It has to be, they named those concert halls after him.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-18-2010 01:21 PM
Pink Lloyd Cloud:
Loger Waters
Lyd Barret
David Filmore
Mick Bright
Brick Mason
Price-less.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 12-18-2010 01:31 PM
Continually rolling on the floor with laughter.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 01:50 PM
I'm going to search ebay for the Pink Lloyd's greatest album, The Bright Side of the Sun. I hear it's awesome.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-18-2010 02:36 PM
Yeah, and I've also heard great things about The Multiplication Drum.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 02:46 PM
What about Vegetables? Is that one any good?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-18-2010 04:07 PM
By the way, what has Klob Bose been doing, the past fourty-three years?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 04:11 PM
He formed a band with Sleet Guest.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-18-2010 04:17 PM
Ehhh...are you sure we're still talking about Pink Lloyd? I'm kind of confused.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 04:25 PM
Yes. Bob Klose was in the very first incarnation of Pink Floyd but left before they recorded Arnold Layne. So that's who Klob Bose is. Pete Guest was the original drummer in the Beatles, who was later replaced by Ringo Starr. So that's Sleet Guest.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-18-2010 04:34 PM
I think you're confusing Pink Floyd with Pink Lloyd. Bingo Rawr replaced Sleet Guest in The Seattles.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-18-2010 04:36 PM
It's Pete Best, by the way. Anyway, I was going to refer to that person as well in my next post.
Stop stealing my ideas. D:
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 05:39 PM
I meant Pete Best, I just got the two last names crossed up trying to explain the joke.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Floydy - 12-18-2010 06:04 PM
I like Obscured By Blouse. Childhoods Bend and Five Six are two of my favourite songs
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-18-2010 06:53 PM
I like how The Bright Side of the Sun synchronizes with Alice In Wonderland. Truly magnificent.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Floydy - 12-18-2010 07:00 PM
I like how The Final Rut synchronizes with Pulp Fiction
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-18-2010 07:39 PM
Seeing as how "rutting" is a euphemism for doing the mattress mambo, the fact you used that word in your parody for The Final Cut seems fitting in an odd way.
What is everyone's opinion on Glad You're Gone?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-18-2010 11:27 PM
It was alright. I really liked "Give a Pipe" and "Dim Down You Sane Mineral", but it was nothing special.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-19-2010 12:53 AM
(12-18-2010 07:00 PM)Floydy Wrote: I like how The Final Rut synchronizes with Pulp Fiction
(12-18-2010 11:27 PM)hunter21291 Wrote: It was alright. I really liked "Give a Pipe" and "Dim Down You Sane Mineral", but it was nothing special.Hahahaha!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - silverpot - 12-19-2010 05:40 AM
(12-18-2010 11:27 PM)hunter21291 Wrote: It was alright. I really liked "Give a Pipe" and "Dim Down You Sane Mineral", but it was nothing special.
Good one!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-19-2010 05:57 AM
(12-18-2010 11:27 PM)hunter21291 Wrote: It was alright. I really liked "Give a Pipe" and "Dim Down You Sane Mineral", but it was nothing special.
Legend.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-19-2010 08:34 AM
(12-18-2010 11:27 PM)hunter21291 Wrote: It was alright. I really liked "Give a Pipe" and "Dim Down You Sane Mineral", but it was nothing special.
Dim Down You Sane Mineral is aces, I don't know what you're talking about. I see you also conveniently forgot the best song on the album, Say Hello To The Automaton.
Ugh. Some people.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-19-2010 10:50 PM
What are your thoughts about The Little Chuckle in the Air? I still think its credits should have remained Bright's.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Floydy - 12-20-2010 12:13 AM
I agree. Blaire Sory Didn't write her part so to say, just screamed and moaned (brilliantly though)
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - DrKole - 12-20-2010 11:54 AM
ROGER WATERS! DAVID AND FRIENDS!!!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-20-2010 04:13 PM
The Little Chuckle in the Air is fantastic. A few more of my favorites from the album are Off the Walk, Clocks, and We and They.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - DrKole - 12-20-2010 04:34 PM
Clocks was a good album, but I like the song Roger made:
The Pro's and Con's of Hitch Hiking
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-20-2010 04:37 PM
The Bad Guy In The Ground is really exotic.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - DrKole - 12-20-2010 08:50 PM
Oh ok exotic, for a second I thought it said erotic, that'd just be ...
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-21-2010 01:41 AM
Sad Old Fun is one of my personal favorites.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Floydy - 12-21-2010 01:52 AM
Tha Amazon song rocks
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-21-2010 01:52 AM
Okay, you lost me.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-21-2010 02:20 AM
Think, Joe. The song is on the album "Less".
Anyway, I like the way Healthy Foot and Full Moon go together... Such an awesome epilogue to The Bright Side of the Sun.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-21-2010 03:27 AM
A Quite Lengthy Choice of Discussion is another one of their fine albums. I love Teaching to Fall, The Cats of Battle, and Yet No Television Show.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-21-2010 04:21 AM
Yenom is overplayed. But, its bass track is very catchy.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-21-2010 04:26 AM
I like how some of Yenom's sounds also appear in Leave Me Alone. Quite interesting.
About A Quite Lengthy Chouce of Discussion: I particularly like the way they put An Old Refrigerator right in front and after Reviving Warmth.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-21-2010 07:54 AM
:D
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-21-2010 10:20 AM
(12-21-2010 04:26 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: About A Quite Lengthy Chouce of Discussion: I particularly like the way they put An Old Refrigerator right in front and after Reviving Warmth.
Absolutely -- very crafty on their part.
As a side note, I think Failing To Swim was the right choice for lead single.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-21-2010 12:01 PM
I don't like the post-Loters Pink Lloyd. About A Quite Lengthy Choice of Discussion is okay-ish, but The Multiplication Ringtone is definitely my least favourite.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-22-2010 01:00 AM
The Multiplication Ringtone's lyrics and guitar solos are more interesting than those on AQLCoD. Especially Deep Desperations's outro is awesome.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-22-2010 01:07 AM
How Can I Help You?, Fleeing Forward to Death, and Stop Silencing are my favorites on TMR.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-22-2010 02:19 AM
Stripping The Outside In was sang by Brick Light. One of my favourite PF songs.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-22-2010 10:09 AM
Brick Mason was the drummer. I think you're thinking of Mick Bright, the keyboardist. It's easy to confuse them. I agree about Stripping The Outside In, though. Highly underrated song.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-22-2010 02:22 PM
On a side note, I know Rick Wright sang it, and I actually said Brick Light .__. But, yeah...back to the actual topic:
In my honest opinion, we can easily distinguish three Pink Floyds. There's the real Pink Floyd with Syd, the post-Syd Pink Floyd, and the post-Waters Pink Floyd. They're all very different, which is one of the reasons I really like Pink Floyd. You can practically find any kind of songs in their discography. I mean, look at Mademoiselle Knobs, and Careful With That Axe, Eugene!
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-22-2010 05:02 PM
They didn't one kind of music, you're right. They tended in their earlier years to experiment a lot with different sounds and styles and it allowed them to create some very unique and defining pieces of music.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-23-2010 11:49 AM
Their albums all sound different, but each and every album still has a very recognizable sound. If you let a casual Pink Floyd fan hear an album he doesn't know, he'll still easily be able to tell it's Pink Floyd. The only real exceptions to this are The Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse of Reason, as far as I know.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-23-2010 12:15 PM
Funny thing about AMLoR -- some of the tracks that comprised that album were brought to the recording sessions for The Final Cut and Roger basically told David to go pound sand. I believe it was The Dogs of War, Round and Around, and the music for On The Turning Away. The song that became Terminal Frost I believe, dates back to the sessions for David's first solo album in 1978.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-23-2010 12:52 PM
-"Okay, David. That's a good song idea, but we're gonna change it to The Dads of War."
-"Uh... Okay."
-"Or The Tigers of War. Nope... Wait, got it. When the Tigers Broke Free. I'll phone ya when I need a guitar solo later on."
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-23-2010 01:00 PM
Now I'm imagining The Final Cut with Terminal Frost on it.
...
:(
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-23-2010 01:03 PM
Terminal Frost was not intended to be on The Final Cut. I said that it was a holdover from David's first solo album, but it was never brought to The Final Cut sessions.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-23-2010 01:08 PM
I know. But still. That would be even more awesome than the most awesome album ever, in my opinion. (Which happens to be The Final Cut.)
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-24-2010 12:25 PM
I don't think the song would have fit well on the album, to be honest. There's something very late-80s/Blade Runner montage about the song that fit perfectly with AMLoR. The Final Cut is too........Roger, if you understand what I mean.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-24-2010 05:46 PM
Duh. It's just the combination of one of my favourite songs, and my favourite album.
Come to think of it, the saxophones would actually fit on The Final Cut... They usually go very well with the timbre of Roger's voice.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-25-2010 02:33 AM
Yes, but the aaaahs and oooohs won't. Besides, Terminal Frost is just not Roger-material.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-25-2010 02:35 AM
True. But STILL! >:(
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-25-2010 08:09 AM
Let Arno believe Terminal Frost would work on The Final Cut. It's Christmas, after all.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-25-2010 11:51 AM
Terminal Frost would work on The Final Cut. Hell, Terminal Frost's saxophone solo could be in Arnold Layne.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-25-2010 12:14 PM
You've gone too far now.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-25-2010 03:47 PM
(12-25-2010 08:09 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote: Let Arno believe Terminal Frost would work on The Final Cut. It's Christmas, after all.
Thank you.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-26-2010 08:06 AM
Speaking of Terminal Frost, it sure looks like that outside my house right now. You could plop the sax player down in the middle of our front yard and stick David on our roof and let them have at it. In fact, I'll go put that song on right now.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-26-2010 09:11 AM
I don't know what is it about Terminal Frost. I like the name, but it doesn't go with the song. If anything, it makes me think of sky diving.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-26-2010 10:34 AM
I don't know, I think the title goes with the music. Whenever I listen to the song, I can't help but picture a very snowy, cold scene, so I guess the title works in that it gives you that image when you listen to it.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-26-2010 11:39 AM
I always thought it was just a really cool sounding title. Probably the coolest sounding one in their library.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-26-2010 12:10 PM
Pun not intended, right?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-26-2010 01:38 PM
I didn't even realize the pun until you brought it up, haha, but yes, it's cool both literally and figuratively.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-26-2010 03:24 PM
I'd love to ask David where he came up with the titles for the some of the songs the band did in the post-Waters era. Some of them are almost poetic in a way, even without taking into account the actual songs themselves.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-26-2010 04:16 PM
Like so many lyrics (and some titles, too) written by David, it sounds amazing and all, but holds zero context. I like the title though. Context isn't needed when a song is that good. :P
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-26-2010 04:34 PM
The thing about Gilmour is, all his lines do not have a specific chronology to them. Mix up the same lines and put them in different orders, they'd still sound good. Every line is an idea. Every idea is a line.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-26-2010 04:37 PM
Exactly.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - hunter21291 - 12-26-2010 04:58 PM
I would take David's random lines and ideas any day over "And that's how the high command took my daddy from me." That is, in my mind, the most heinous lyric Roger ever wrote. All symbolism gone. All analysis gone. Roger was never about being direct with his lyrics, but he hit the nail right on the head with that line. Right on the head and into his coffin as a fantastic lyricist.
A bit harsh, but damn do I hate that line. It literally ruins the whole song for me.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 12-26-2010 05:05 PM
Also true. Roger certainly made some mistakes here and there... And that is one of his biggest. I love that song, but the ending line is genuine, yet pointless and dumb.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 12-26-2010 08:33 PM
(12-26-2010 04:58 PM)hunter21291 Wrote: I would take David's random lines and ideas any day over "And that's how the high command took my daddy from me." That is, in my mind, the most heinous lyric Roger ever wrote. All symbolism gone. All analysis gone. Roger was never about being direct with his lyrics, but he hit the nail right on the head with that line. Right on the head and into his coffin as a fantastic lyricist.
A bit harsh, but damn do I hate that line. It literally ruins the whole song for me.
Ahem.
"We don't need no education"
Now that's heinous.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 12-27-2010 06:45 AM
What's wrong about 'That's how the high command took my daddy from me'?
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 01-04-2011 08:24 AM
I don't know, from my own perspective, it doesn't sound like what Roger had been writing or had written up to that point. He always had a way of making a point, that at times could be blunt and very direct, but there was also a kind of indirect obtuseness to it, where it left the interpretation of the lyric up to the listener. There's no real interpretation to be had there -- it's very direct and very "smacks you over the head."
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Joe - 01-04-2011 09:42 AM
Yeah, I see what you're trying to say. For example, the only reason I might not like Marillion as much as I like Pink Floyd is because they're very blunt. Look up Sympathy (Acoustic) by Marillion. There isn't a better example for your point.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 01-04-2011 10:30 AM
I just hate that line because it sounds awefully silly. A whiny line that could come from a six year old kid, after a great, sardonic description of what happens during these events. It's a real anti-climax.
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Lady Floydian - 01-04-2011 10:52 AM
Maybe it's because he used the word "daddy".
RE: Am I The Only One who doesen't like Post-Waters Floyd? - Arno Sluismans - 01-04-2011 10:58 AM
Probably. Still, he should have tried to find a better ending line. It reminds me of Syd's "I want to tell you a story", although it actually was Syd's intention to make it all sound ridiculously playful. In WTTBF, it just doesn't fit.