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Each album is a concept - Author - 01-11-2011 04:10 AM
You can not buy a separate song in itunes store,
do you like this?
RE: Each album is a concept - Floydy - 01-11-2011 05:27 AM
Yes. Pink Floyd albums to me are meant to be listened to from beginning to end.
RE: Each album is a concept - ofeydofey - 01-11-2011 07:18 AM
(01-11-2011 04:10 AM)Author Wrote: You can not buy a separate song in itunes store,
do you like this?
Absolutely! I had to break up with a girl once because (among other reasons) she always like to shuffle ahead to her favorite song whenever she put a new cd in.
true albums are meant to be listened to all the way through, each song tugging and pulling on the emotions of the one before it.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-11-2011 08:40 AM
Very true.
RE: Each album is a concept - silverpot - 01-11-2011 09:47 AM
The new deal between PF and EMI let's you buy just separate songs again.
Obviously denying this was just a way for PF to get what they wanted out of the record company.
Personally I don't think concepts are important, and casual Floyd fans should be able to purchase the songs they like, not the whole bloody album. The alternative is illegal downloading.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-11-2011 10:10 AM
I think considering the way some people choose to listen to music as a reason for breaking up with them is pretty petty and juvenile, honestly. Is Pink Floyd's music better when listened to straight through, from start to finish? I believe so, yes. Does that means something is wrong with a person who chooses to listen to them in other ways? No. I have all their albums on my iPod, but I have the playlist on shuffle, so I'm listening to each song in a different order than it was recorded and released. If I want to listen to albums straight through, I put the vinyl on.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-11-2011 01:29 PM
It's all about what the artist wants. If I draw a painting, I don't want its top left corner fragment to sell; I want the full painting to sell. If an artist considers their album to be one piece of work instead of ten, then I think they should be allowed to halt sales of separate songs. Obviously, this will cost them money, but if it is what they want, I fully support them. I personally think Pink Floyd is an album orientated band, I never listen to their songs separately and I hate their live albums and compilations. To me a Pink Floyd song isn't complete without its context, both lyrically and musically.
All of this obviously doesn't apply to their early singles, by the way.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-11-2011 04:14 PM
I'd get bored if I only listened to them one way, all the time. I need variety. Sometimes I want to listen to their albums straight through, sometimes I'd rather listen to everything all jumbled up. There's something cool about hearing Money, and then right after it hear Astronomy Domine.
RE: Each album is a concept - PuttinOnTheRitz - 01-11-2011 04:27 PM
(01-11-2011 01:29 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: It's all about what the artist wants. If I draw a painting, I don't want its top left corner fragment to sell; I want the full painting to sell. If an artist considers their album to be one piece of work instead of ten, then I think they should be allowed to halt sales of separate songs. Obviously, this will cost them money, but if it is what they want, I fully support them. I personally think Pink Floyd is an album orientated band, I never listen to their songs separately and I hate their live albums and compilations. To me a Pink Floyd song isn't complete without its context, both lyrically and musically.
All of this obviously doesn't apply to their early singles, by the way.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
RE: Each album is a concept - hunter21291 - 01-11-2011 11:06 PM
I love listening to them both ways. If I want to listen to the full album (which I mostly due with WYWH, Animals, and AMLOR) I will. But if I wanna listen to Keep Talking right after Pow R. Toc H., I'm not gonna sit through the rest of Piper and most of TDB, I'm gonna listen to what I want. I understand the concept and themes now, so there's no loss in listening to them in bits in pieces.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-12-2011 05:40 AM
Absolutely -- I can understand the band wanting their music sold or distributed in a certain way, but once you the music buyer has it, you can listen to it however you want. Is it preferable at first, to listen to the whole album straight through, in order to better understand the concept? Yes. Does that mean you can't ever just listen to certain songs from certain albums if you get the urge to do so? No.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-12-2011 06:37 AM
(01-12-2011 05:40 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote: Absolutely -- I can understand the band wanting their music sold or distributed in a certain way, but once you the music buyer has it, you can listen to it however you want. Is it preferable at first, to listen to the whole album straight through, in order to better understand the concept? Yes. Does that mean you can't ever just listen to certain songs from certain albums if you get the urge to do so? No.
Absolutely true.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-12-2011 08:48 AM
That's why I hate compilations and collections.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-12-2011 10:31 AM
Agreed again. It's also one of the reasons why I don't really like Run Like Hell and Hey You when David plays/played them live with post-Waters Pink Floyd. There's practically no relevance.
Songs like Money, Comfortably Numb and High Hopes are brilliant on their own though, so they're quite brilliant when played live, too. (Until Guy Pratt suddenly decides to completely ruin Money's bass riff, that is.
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RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-12-2011 11:19 AM
Speaking of which, is Richard Wright really Guy Pratt's father in law?
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-12-2011 11:40 AM
Yes, he is.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-12-2011 11:45 AM
(01-12-2011 11:19 AM)Joe Wrote: Speaking of which, is Richard Wright really Guy Pratt's father in law?
Yes; Guy married Rick's daughter Gala.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-12-2011 11:49 AM
Well, speaking of the wall, I have a question, and I don't think it's worth making a new thread for. On Hey You, the line where David sings Would you help me to carry the stone, is it a reference to:
Quote:So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone, dragged down by the stone. Who was dragged down by the stone.From Dogs and,
Quote:So I don't feel alone, or the weight of the stone,From Pigs On The Wing II?
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-12-2011 11:56 AM
Considering Roger wrote all three songs, I would assume there is meant to be a connection there.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-12-2011 12:25 PM
It's as debatable as the bells thing, I guess. Possibly, it's a reference. Possibly, Roger just likes using stones as metaphors for something a person needs help with.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-12-2011 01:18 PM
It is debatable, really. But, looking at how Roger classifies himself as a Dog in Animals, and how The Wall is an entirely personal experience based album, I find it rather interesting. This is what I would call a trans-album-atic wink. Don't google it, Arno. It doesn't exist.
RE: Each album is a concept - hunter21291 - 01-12-2011 01:39 PM
Maybe Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut are a trilogy? Who knows?
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-12-2011 01:41 PM
(01-12-2011 01:18 PM)Joe Wrote: It is debatable, really. But, looking at how Roger classifies himself as a Dog in Animals, and how The Wall is an entirely personal experience based album, I find it rather interesting. This is what I would call a trans-album-atic wink. Don't google it, Arno. It doesn't exist.
Does he actually talk about himself in Dogs...? Also, the only parts of The Wall that relates to Roger's life are the songs about war, and In The Flesh(?).
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-12-2011 01:57 PM
I really doubt that. I think Roger himself experienced The Wall. And, no, he doesn't talk about himself in Dogs. But, in Pigs On The Wing, he refers to himself as a dog "Somewhere safe to bury my bones [...] and any fool knows, a dog needs a home". Moreover, I would think of dogs as bourgeois, and I think Roger can be classified as a bourgeois.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-12-2011 02:01 PM
Roger Waters experienced The Wall...? He portrays the protagonist as a person whose opinions are quite the opposite of Roger's own. He may have lived parts of it, like ABitW pt 1-2, In The Flesh, etc. But even these songs are in no way about his experiences; they're inspired by them.
In response to hunter21291: Most people consider The Wall ~ The Final Cut ~ Amused To Death to be the trillogy. :P Though both are possible, I think.
RE: Each album is a concept - hunter21291 - 01-12-2011 02:08 PM
I've actually never listened to any of their solo albums, save for Pros and Cons years back. I wanna listen to Amused to Death and On an Island.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-12-2011 02:18 PM
I still need to hear On An Island. Apart from Roger's old cracky voice, Amused To Death is a masterpiece. Although it's much too long.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-12-2011 04:03 PM
(01-12-2011 01:57 PM)Joe Wrote: I really doubt that. I think Roger himself experienced The Wall. And, no, he doesn't talk about himself in Dogs. But, in Pigs On The Wing, he refers to himself as a dog "Somewhere safe to bury my bones [...] and any fool knows, a dog needs a home". Moreover, I would think of dogs as bourgeois, and I think Roger can be classified as a bourgeois.
Pigs On The Wing pts. 1 & 2 were love songs to his then-girlfriend, so the "dog" in question is him talking about how through his relationship with her, he found some place he could go to avoid/escape the things which at the time, were weighing heavily on him.
The notion of dogs as presented in the song Dogs is not the same as presented in those two songs.
RE: Each album is a concept - silverpot - 01-13-2011 08:39 AM
I once read an interview with Roger where he confessed to being a pig.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-13-2011 09:53 AM
Meh, I wouldn't think of Roger as a pig. He's definitely a dog.
Arno, I had no idea Roger didn't experience The Wall. I find it very weird.
LF, can you please elaborate?
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-13-2011 11:48 AM
Elaborate what?
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-13-2011 12:12 PM
As I said, parts of The Wall is heavily inspired on parts of Roger's own life. But it isn't about himself, and I'm sure Roger never went through everything Pink went through.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-13-2011 03:34 PM
I see. Thanks, Arno.
LF, elaborate in what concerns the difference between Pigs On The Wing and Dogs. Why is the dog at hand not the same one?
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-13-2011 04:34 PM
You've never heard men referred to as dogs before? He's not calling himself a ruthless businessman, hellbent on running and/or destroying the universe. That's what the song Dogs is about: Greedy, insufferable corporatists.
He's talking about himself, using the metaphor of referring to men as dogs; as in the animal, not the archetype as designed by either George Orwell or Roger himself. Look at the line, "And any fool knows a dog needs a home." What home do you think he's talking about? He's talking about his girlfriend and their relationship. He's saying in essence, he's found someone who he can depend on and trust and love and all that gobbledygook, and that he's thankful for it. That his relationship with her is a shelter of sorts, from all the shit going on around him that he's trying to run away from.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-14-2011 04:55 AM
So the metaphor of dogs in Dogs isn't the same as the one in Pigs On The Wing? That's annoying, why would he use the same metaphor in a different context? <- (This is a rhetorical question, I'm not waiting for an answer.)
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-14-2011 06:49 AM
They're love songs of sorts, so the drama/angst that is contained in the three songs these two songs bookend, wouldn't be appropriate here.
RE: Each album is a concept - silverpot - 01-14-2011 11:59 AM
(01-13-2011 04:34 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: You've never heard men referred to as dogs before? He's not calling himself a ruthless businessman, hellbent on running and/or destroying the universe. That's what the song Dogs is about: Greedy, insufferable corporatists.
That's why Roger considers himself a pig. The one who's controlling things, making the dogs do the dirty work.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-14-2011 01:49 PM
(01-14-2011 11:59 AM)silverpot Wrote:(01-13-2011 04:34 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: You've never heard men referred to as dogs before? He's not calling himself a ruthless businessman, hellbent on running and/or destroying the universe. That's what the song Dogs is about: Greedy, insufferable corporatists.
That's why Roger considers himself a pig. The one who's controlling things, making the dogs do the dirty work.
Roger = Pig
David, Nick, and Rick = Dogs
I guess that'll answer any question someone may have about the band dynamic. Who knew he'd write it into the album?
RE: Each album is a concept - silverpot - 01-14-2011 02:15 PM
(01-14-2011 01:49 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote:(01-14-2011 11:59 AM)silverpot Wrote:(01-13-2011 04:34 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: You've never heard men referred to as dogs before? He's not calling himself a ruthless businessman, hellbent on running and/or destroying the universe. That's what the song Dogs is about: Greedy, insufferable corporatists.
That's why Roger considers himself a pig. The one who's controlling things, making the dogs do the dirty work.
Roger = Pig
David, Nick, and Rick = Dogs
I guess that'll answer any question someone may have about the band dynamic. Who knew he'd write it into the album?
You've got I think. Never thought about it that way but it's right on the mark.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-14-2011 02:51 PM
Nick is more like a sheep. He really joined the winning side because he never had an option.
RE: Each album is a concept - silverpot - 01-14-2011 03:57 PM
(01-14-2011 02:51 PM)Joe Wrote: Nick is more like a sheep. He really joined the winning side because he never had an option.
Guess you're right, in a way. But Nick did have an option, he could have joined with Roger. After all, Rog was his best friend. And he didn't know which side was the winning one at the time.
RE: Each album is a concept - Floydy - 01-14-2011 04:00 PM
I'm pretty sure that Nick is Harry Waters Godfather
RE: Each album is a concept - silverpot - 01-14-2011 04:34 PM
Yes he is.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-14-2011 05:15 PM
Nick joined the winning side because it was the winning side. He definitely had an option. Some call him lame, but I personally think it was the normal thing to do. He was a key member, obviously, but the band's success wouldn't stand or fall without him at that point. He couldn't make himself a successful artist without joining the winning side.
It's the downside of not being a frontman and not composing songs. :|
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-14-2011 05:36 PM
Blackmailing Rick out the band was the "winning side?" Hate to break it to you Arno, but no one won there. I don't disagree that Rick was acting like a prat and making things difficult for everyone, but Roger basically threatened to take the master tapes of the album up to that point and leave, leaving all of them financially screwed. All of them had children, wives, homes, the whole nine yards......they needed that album. Rick was basically blackmailed out -- "either leave or you don't get paid." What kind of option is that for someone?
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-14-2011 05:44 PM
In my way of reasoning I'm considering saying "fuck you" to Roger would have been an option. Technically it was one. They've gone on without him and continued making music. Logically seen, it was not an option. That's why Nick didn't go for that option.
It's just a bit of a different wording for the same thing, I suppose.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-14-2011 06:05 PM
The way I've seen it (and read it) was that Roger didn't give anyone a whole hell of a lot of choice in the matter, re: Rick's dismissal from the band. He had the master tapes, either they went along with what he wanted or he pulled them and went home. Seeing as how they had gotten screwed over by some investments and needed to finish the album early to get an advance from the label, they were backed up against the wall. Sure, they could have told Roger to go eff himself, but where would that have gotten them?
Nick did what was best for him and his family financially. I don't agree with the fact he and David basically sold Rick out, but it's like being told you have to choose between stabbing or hanging for your death -- neither option sounds all that pleasant.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-14-2011 08:22 PM
Yep. That's pretty much what I'm saying, save the factual history.
By the way, I totally chuckled at the word filter my previous post apparently went through. That's rather silly.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-15-2011 06:03 PM
BTW, speaking of how each album is a concept, on my iPod you have the option to shuffle your playlists either by song or by album. If you shuffle by album, it will play whole albums in order, but not in sequence. Meaning, you could hear all of The Dark Side of the Moon, and then after that, all of The Division Bell.
I think with the Floyd, this might be the best way to go. That way you get the albums in their entirety, just not in chronological order.
RE: Each album is a concept - hunter21291 - 01-16-2011 12:45 AM
That's how the music player is on my phone. It's alphabetical, but I kind of wish it was by release date.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-16-2011 02:02 AM
(01-15-2011 06:03 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: BTW, speaking of how each album is a concept, on my iPod you have the option to shuffle your playlists either by song or by album. If you shuffle by album, it will play whole albums in order, but not in sequence. Meaning, you could hear all of The Dark Side of the Moon, and then after that, all of The Division Bell.
I think with the Floyd, this might be the best way to go. That way you get the albums in their entirety, just not in chronological order.
I do something similar - I just listen to whichever album I feel like listening. Unless I'm actually doing a marathon, I don't hear them in chronological order.
RE: Each album is a concept - hunter21291 - 01-16-2011 09:51 AM
Marathons are always fun. It's amazing hearing how much they evolved over the course of 27 years and each album really does have its own sound and style. Listening through their entire discography is just awesome.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 01-20-2011 08:04 AM
I might do a mini-marathon this evening while I'm doing laundry, I don't know. Normally when I listen to their albums, I listen to a group of them in sequence.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 01-20-2011 08:28 AM
I'm doing one right now. I'm at The Great Gig in the Sky on their last album, and I'm rather bored... Too much of the same artist's music never is really good for me, and the last four albums happen to be among my least favourite, so it's a bit of a bother right now.
When I'm done, I'm going to listen to Ummagumma again though.
RE: Each album is a concept - Joe - 01-20-2011 03:18 PM
I've been all over Meddle, Obscured By Clouds, Ummagumma, and Atom Heart Mother.
RE: Each album is a concept - MoonHead - 01-22-2011 02:29 PM
With Floyd, I'm always in random order of listening. Last 5 I listened to were DSOTM, The Wall, Zabriskie, Animals, More...
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 02-10-2011 01:15 PM
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RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 02-10-2011 02:01 PM
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RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 02-10-2011 05:33 PM
As nice as that sounds, one of the admin here actually asked us from now on to report spam posts and post a quick blurb that they've been reported, but not to quote the posts, or interact with the spambots in anyway.
RE: Each album is a concept - Arno Sluismans - 02-11-2011 02:09 AM
Oh, really? I didn't see that post.
RE: Each album is a concept - Lady Floydian - 02-11-2011 05:20 AM
The post I was referring to:
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