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Is David the best? - blue_ember - 01-31-2011 10:42 PM
Do you think David Gilmour is the best guitarist of all time? If not then who is the best?
RE: Is David the best? - Floydy - 02-01-2011 01:46 AM
Arno Sluismans would say that I, Floydy, is the best guitarist.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-01-2011 03:14 AM
Heh, I guess it depends. He's definitely one of the more "intelligent" (I suppose that's not really the right word) guitarist out there; he doesn't give a damn about how difficult or easy his plays are. The only thing he cares about it what they sound like, which is something most musicians have trouble with. Technically, I don't think he even comes close to being the best guitarist in the world, though. Aesthetically, he's probably the best.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-01-2011 11:38 AM
Emotionally, absolutely. Technically, no I don't believe so. I don't think he's technically a better guitarist than Jimi Hendrix or Duane Allman. He would never say that in terms of technical ability he's the best guitarist that ever lived, so I certainly won't.
That being said, I love, love, love what he does and the way he does it, because it's unique to him and the music he makes.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-01-2011 07:45 PM
(i know weve already discussed this LF) but people, if you had to pick between David Gilmour and Jimmy Page as your favourite who would you pick (who do you think is better)?
RE: Is David the best? - Floydy - 02-02-2011 02:48 AM
David Gilmour hands down. Jimmy Page is a very different guitar player to David. As has been said before, David is a more aesthetically atuned guitar player, he doesn't play a million notes an hour like Jimmy Page can (Watch "The Song Remains The Same" DVD) All I can say is, I would sell my soul to the Devil to play the guitar like David Gilmour.
P.S I'm a huge Led Zeppelin fan as well, Jimmy Page is another favourite guitar player of mine.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-02-2011 03:22 AM
Like everybody said, technically, he isn't the best. He's very good, but he isn't the best. Emotionally, he's incredible, and I'd class him as number one. He has a sense of music, and he doesn't give a flying poop about speed and such things.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-02-2011 03:25 AM
(02-01-2011 07:45 PM)blue_ember Wrote: (i know weve already discussed this LF) but people, if you had to pick between David Gilmour and Jimmy Page as your favourite who would you pick (who do you think is better)?
Gilmour, without doubt.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-02-2011 11:07 AM
David Gilmour is better than Jimmy Page, IMO.
Anyway, all threads like this do is devolve into circular conversation -- anytime you deal with something subjective like this, all you can do is talk in circles.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-02-2011 12:18 PM
(02-02-2011 11:07 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote: David Gilmour is better than Jimmy Page, IMO.
Anyway, all threads like this do is devolve into circular conversation -- anytime you deal with something subjective like this, all you can do is talk in circles.
You know the reason this forumpage was opened was because I wanted to know what people have to say about David and what they have to say about him and Jimmy Page spesificly. I'm not looking for a fight or an argument I just want to see the pros and cons of Gilmour's
work. Lets keep it freindly 
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 02-02-2011 12:55 PM
Gilmour's guitar playing is the reason I like Pink Floyd. His sense of melody and his tone outshines Page's by a mile.
Page is probably a more technically skilled player though, but I'm not impressed by that. And I'm not a big fan of Zeppelin.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-02-2011 01:28 PM
(02-02-2011 11:07 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote: David Gilmour is better than Jimmy Page, IMO.
Anyway, all threads like this do is devolve into circular conversation -- anytime you deal with something subjective like this, all you can do is talk in circles.
Disagreeing for 100%. Threads like these ask about one's opinion, but their implied point is to discuss the reasons behind these opinions. Each sensible opinion is based on a relatively objective set of reasons, and these are very interesting to talk about, in my opinion.
RE: Is David the best? - Bachi - 02-02-2011 03:35 PM
Mm he wrote Comfortably Numb, and the original seems to be difficult, even for him, to reach the same quality than when he recorded it.
He wrote masterpieces like Time/Young Lust/Fletcher/Mother which are really really good, or the fills in brain damage (best seen in Interview Part III from Live At Pompeii)
Hes for sure the best popular guitarist, but Im sure there are better unknown artists
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-02-2011 04:08 PM
(02-02-2011 01:28 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:(02-02-2011 11:07 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote: David Gilmour is better than Jimmy Page, IMO.
Anyway, all threads like this do is devolve into circular conversation -- anytime you deal with something subjective like this, all you can do is talk in circles.
Disagreeing for 100%. Threads like these ask about one's opinion, but their implied point is to discuss the reasons behind these opinions. Each sensible opinion is based on a relatively objective set of reasons, and these are very interesting to talk about, in my opinion.
I don't think you understood what I said. Nowhere did I say that the conversation was not interesting, or that people didn't have their reasons for the opinions that they have. I said the conversation is circular meaning, we think David is better than Jimmy Page, and we say why. Someone else comes in and says Jimmy Page is better, and they say why. We say "I disagree and here's why", they say "I disagree and here's why", and no further conversation is had, aside from the rehashing of points made umpteen posts earlier.
That's why threads about who is better are interesting, but they eventually don't go anywhere else.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-02-2011 04:14 PM
He wrote Comfortably Numb, Time, Young Lust, Fletcher and Mother? Wow, that's new to me. The former three are cowritten, and the latter two are Waters-credited.
If you're just talking about the guitar solos, though, I agree (although, still, he didn't write those all by himself). Especially Comfortably Numb and Fletcher have amazing guitar solos that nobody else could have done. Another favourite of mine is Mudmen.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-02-2011 04:18 PM
He wrote the music to Comfortably Numb, yes. It was written during the sessions for his 1st solo album, but he didn't think it really fit with anything that he had already, so he saved it and brought it with to The Wall sessions. Roger had a song written already called "The Doctor", and the lyrics from that song were basically inserted into the music David had already written. They quarreled over the tone of the song, with David wanting the verses to be grungier and darker, and in the end Roger won out on that. If you listen to how the song is arranged when Pink Floyd did it live from 1987-1994, that's how David wanted it to sound from the start. There's a video on YouTube that's from an interview David did in the early 80s, where he plays a snippet of the demo tape of Comfortably Numb, which he recorded on a steel-strung guitar.
(02-02-2011 03:35 PM)Bachi Wrote: Mm he wrote Comfortably Numb, and the original seems to be difficult, even for him, to reach the same quality than when he recorded it.
I'm sorry, what?
RE: Is David the best? - Kimbers Sheep - 02-02-2011 06:31 PM
I always found Page to simply be way too sloppy live, Dave always seemed a bit more precise, but, and strictly my opinion, neither are/were as precise as Alex Lifeson live. And yeah, these kind of conversations seldom accomplish much but man, how many of these did I spend hours and hours on while in college, lol.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-03-2011 03:08 AM
(02-02-2011 04:18 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: He wrote the music to Comfortably Numb, yes. It was written during the sessions for his 1st solo album, but he didn't think it really fit with anything that he had already, so he saved it and brought it with to The Wall sessions. Roger had a song written already called "The Doctor", and the lyrics from that song were basically inserted into the music David had already written. They quarreled over the tone of the song, with David wanting the verses to be grungier and darker, and in the end Roger won out on that. If you listen to how the song is arranged when Pink Floyd did it live from 1987-1994, that's how David wanted it to sound from the start. There's a video on YouTube that's from an interview David did in the early 80s, where he plays a snippet of the demo tape of Comfortably Numb, which he recorded on a steel-strung guitar.
(02-02-2011 03:35 PM)Bachi Wrote: Mm he wrote Comfortably Numb, and the original seems to be difficult, even for him, to reach the same quality than when he recorded it.
I'm sorry, what?
Aren't Comfortably Numb's verses written by Roger?
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-03-2011 08:06 AM
The one who writes music is called composer and the one who writes the words is the lyricist, correct?
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-03-2011 08:23 AM
(02-03-2011 03:08 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:(02-02-2011 04:18 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: He wrote the music to Comfortably Numb, yes. It was written during the sessions for his 1st solo album, but he didn't think it really fit with anything that he had already, so he saved it and brought it with to The Wall sessions. Roger had a song written already called "The Doctor", and the lyrics from that song were basically inserted into the music David had already written. They quarreled over the tone of the song, with David wanting the verses to be grungier and darker, and in the end Roger won out on that. If you listen to how the song is arranged when Pink Floyd did it live from 1987-1994, that's how David wanted it to sound from the start. There's a video on YouTube that's from an interview David did in the early 80s, where he plays a snippet of the demo tape of Comfortably Numb, which he recorded on a steel-strung guitar.
(02-02-2011 03:35 PM)Bachi Wrote: Mm he wrote Comfortably Numb, and the original seems to be difficult, even for him, to reach the same quality than when he recorded it.
I'm sorry, what?
Aren't Comfortably Numb's verses written by Roger?
Did you read what I said at all? I'll bold the relevant sentence.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-03-2011 08:29 AM
Holy sh!t, you really have an attitude issue lately. I'll rephrase:
The information you posted is correct as far as I know, except for one detail, being the verses. I thought these were from Roger's "The Doctor" song, not from the song David had written.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-03-2011 08:47 AM
Well you know, when you say "verses", the first thing that comes to mind is lyrics, not music. So yeah, I'm going to be a little annoyed that you're asking a question I had answered in the previous post. It would be like me saying the sky is blue, and then you asking me if I said the sky was blue.
I have not read that Roger wrote the music for the verses. I've only ever read that David brought the music for the song to the album's sessions, and that Roger had the lyrics to a song called The Doctor, and the two became Comfortably Numb. That doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong or vice-versa. Just that I haven't read anything to that effect.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-03-2011 10:12 AM
Actually, a "verse" is as much a musical term as a poetic term. When we're talking about music, it's rather obvious that I mean the musical term when I say "verse" unless I specifically state otherwise.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-03-2011 10:21 AM
Gooooosefraba.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-03-2011 11:52 AM
(02-03-2011 10:12 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: Actually, a "verse" is as much a musical term as a poetic term. When we're talking about music, it's rather obvious that I mean the musical term when I say "verse" unless I specifically state otherwise.
I'm glad it's obvious to you. Considering the fact that when nearly anyone else refers to the verse of a song, they're talking about the lyrics not the music behind the lyrics, you'll have to forgive me for not automatically knowing you're not part of that "nearly everyone else."
Also, I was well aware ahead of time that a verse can be a part of a poem or a part of a song.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-03-2011 02:24 PM
(02-03-2011 11:52 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote:(02-03-2011 10:12 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote: Actually, a "verse" is as much a musical term as a poetic term. When we're talking about music, it's rather obvious that I mean the musical term when I say "verse" unless I specifically state otherwise.
I'm glad it's obvious to you. Considering the fact that when nearly anyone else refers to the verse of a song, they're talking about the lyrics not the music behind the lyrics, you'll have to forgive me for not automatically knowing you're not part of that "nearly everyone else."
Also, I was well aware ahead of time that a verse can be a part of a poem or a part of a song.
Excuse me for putting it so bluntly, but you are wrong. A verse is a structural element of a song when music is concerned. Anything from "Hello" to "Can you show me where it hurts?" is a verse, both lyrically and musically. The thing I'm trying to point out is that, even when you think you're in the right, you could stay somewhat civil.
...
I really shouldn't be saying this to somebody who outages me by nine years. This is sad.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-03-2011 03:58 PM
A PM on this matter has been sent, since this crap has derailed this thread long enough.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-03-2011 06:30 PM
(02-03-2011 10:21 AM)Joe Wrote: Gooooosefraba.
XD your my hero!!!
Just forget what a verse is just who cares ok? I think we can all agree that David wrote the MUSIC (him being the composer) and that Roger wrote the Lyrics (being the Lyricist). We can agree they both had been writing the music and the lyrics on the side of Pink Floyd and for certain reason they put the two together and created the wonder that Comfortably Numb is. Deal?
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-04-2011 04:02 AM
(02-03-2011 06:30 PM)blue_ember Wrote:(02-03-2011 10:21 AM)Joe Wrote: Gooooosefraba.
XD your my hero!!!
Just forget what a verse is just who cares ok? I think we can all agree that David wrote the MUSIC (him being the composer) and that Roger wrote the Lyrics (being the Lyricist). We can agree they both had been writing the music and the lyrics on the side of Pink Floyd and for certain reason they put the two together and created the wonder that Comfortably Numb is. Deal?
I've looked it up again, and it seems I was wrong. The music was indeed composed by David, but apparently Roger helped him a hand here and there. The song in general is David's.
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 02-04-2011 04:56 AM
The melody for "and I have become comfortably numb" was added to David's original tune to fit Roger's lyrics.
The same thing happened with Wish You Were Here. It was David's initial tune but it was altered a bit to fit the lyrics Roger already had.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-04-2011 05:13 AM
(02-04-2011 04:56 AM)silverpot Wrote: The melody for "and I have become comfortably numb" was added to David's original tune to fit Roger's lyrics.
The same thing happened with Wish You Were Here. It was David's initial tune but it was altered a bit to fit the lyrics Roger already had.
Is that all that Roger was referring to when he said the lyrics came before the music in Wish You Were Here? Because then I think he could have said the same thing about Comfortably Numb.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-04-2011 08:27 AM
I don't think it's been said when "The Doctor" was written, lyrically. My guess is it was written sometime in 1978, during the downtime the band had after The Animals tour and the start of recording sessions for The Wall. I know that the song was inspired by what happened to Roger during their show in Philadelphia in June of '77.
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 02-04-2011 04:13 PM
(02-04-2011 05:13 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:(02-04-2011 04:56 AM)silverpot Wrote: The melody for "and I have become comfortably numb" was added to David's original tune to fit Roger's lyrics.
The same thing happened with Wish You Were Here. It was David's initial tune but it was altered a bit to fit the lyrics Roger already had.
Is that all that Roger was referring to when he said the lyrics came before the music in Wish You Were Here? Because then I think he could have said the same thing about Comfortably Numb.
Nope, the lyrics to Comfy was adapted to the melody, the only thing that was added was the "and I've become comfortably numb" part.
Wish You Were Here took a little more of alteration to fit the lyrics. However, I don't know who did this. It may have been a collaboration.
RE: Is David the best? - PanFloyd - 02-08-2011 11:51 AM
The David Gilmour is and will be the best guitarist!!! Gilmour, without any doubt.
RE: Is David the best? - Androkles - 02-08-2011 11:55 AM
David Gilmour is not the best guitarist, I don't believe in rating musicianship.
But he is indeed a very good guitarist.
RE: Is David the best? - Purple_Ember - 02-08-2011 12:05 PM
(01-31-2011 10:42 PM)blue_ember Wrote: Do you think David Gilmour is the best guitarist of all time? If not then who is the best?
All of Pink Floyd sucks, david is prob the worst one of em all
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-08-2011 12:37 PM
(02-08-2011 11:55 AM)Androkles Wrote: David Gilmour is not the best guitarist, I don't believe in rating musicianship.
But he is indeed a very good guitarist.
Very good point, actually. There are so many different kinds of music that it gets hard to compare... For instance, try to compare Gilmour with B.B. King.
(02-08-2011 12:05 PM)Purple_Ember Wrote:(01-31-2011 10:42 PM)blue_ember Wrote: Do you think David Gilmour is the best guitarist of all time? If not then who is the best?
All of Pink Floyd sucks, david is prob the worst one of em all
I see you're on the wrong website. Don't let your awesomeness hit you in the back on your way out, kay kay?
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-08-2011 01:29 PM
(02-08-2011 12:05 PM)Purple_Ember Wrote:(01-31-2011 10:42 PM)blue_ember Wrote: Do you think David Gilmour is the best guitarist of all time? If not then who is the best?
All of Pink Floyd sucks, david is prob the worst one of em all
Yet you took the time to register an account on a Pink Floyd fan message board. I guess that means they don't really suck, or else you wouldn't be here.
You can't fool us, sunshine.
RE: Is David the best? - Androkles - 02-08-2011 01:34 PM
Exactly my point. Some guitarists are the masters of their respective genres, but the musical genres can't be compared really, a classical guitarist could beat the crap out of many electric guitarist.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-08-2011 09:24 PM
EVERYONE Purple_ember is a friend of mine from school, he heard of the forum when I was talking to him and he decided he was gonna do some griefing.... I apologize for him. He's into Ke$sha =.= report him or w.e. hes gonna cause nothing but harm to this forum
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-09-2011 02:21 AM
Who is Ke$sha?
I also don't believe in rating musicians. Everyone's got their own style. Pink Floyd is a genre of its own, so you can't really rate the guitarist. But if I had to pick my favourite guitarist, I would pick David Gilmour.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-09-2011 06:28 PM
(02-09-2011 02:21 AM)Joe Wrote: Who is Ke$sha?
I also don't believe in rating musicians. Everyone's got their own style. Pink Floyd is a genre of its own, so you can't really rate the guitarist. But if I had to pick my favourite guitarist, I would pick David Gilmour.
youve never heard of Kesha? Shes big now days... What country do you live in? this is her wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesha
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-09-2011 06:46 PM
Joe's in Egypt, where I'm pretty sure Ke$ha's brand of aural turds isn't popular.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-09-2011 06:56 PM
lol I agree but shes actually gotten #1 in lots of countries. I guess not in Egypt. STAY PURE JOE Well I guess who have enough to deal with over there...
RE: Is David the best? - Androkles - 02-09-2011 09:27 PM
Still, she is not a guitarist, she is an annoying pop singer.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-09-2011 09:38 PM
very true
RE: Is David the best? - hunter21291 - 02-13-2011 08:32 PM
And very, very trashy. Don't know 'bout y'all, but I've always found David to be classy, yet relaxed.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-13-2011 10:41 PM
Yes even when playing guitar he stays where he is suppost to be on stage and focusing on whats happening between his finger and the strings while you'll see almost everybody else jumping around on stage (AC/DC is a good example).
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-14-2011 05:44 AM
Meh. All of that counts as performing, in my opinion. Whether you dance, or just stand there...everything has a unique taste, I guess. David has style.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-14-2011 09:12 PM
Thats true
RE: Is David the best? - cevor - 02-15-2011 02:15 AM
I don't know if this factor has been considered yet. Elaborate light shows are programmed for the artist to be in one spot on the stage. Not as if he would run around like a fool anyway, but in order for the production to do it's job he cannot. Just sayin'.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-15-2011 02:29 AM
Unless he'd have a programmed routine of when he walks where. But that'd be ridiculous. :P
RE: Is David the best? - cevor - 02-15-2011 03:27 AM
lol... very true!
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-15-2011 12:02 PM
ya thats probably it. I bet at one point though there would have been people manning the spot lights and then they would be able to run around all they want. Pink Floyd really had huge light shows and was known for it.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-15-2011 05:35 PM
Interestingly enough, there's a documentary on YouTube shot during The Division Bell tour, where Nick talks about how Marc Brickman (who's done their lighting for years) could change up the lighting scheme and re-program them while the show was going on, in the event that they played longer, shorter, switched up the order of songs, etc,. He said that while the basic lighting scheme was programmed, a lot of it could be fiddled with live.
So in theory, David could have pulled a Bruce Springsteen and jumped off an amp case or speaker stack and slid across the floor on his knees, and still been covered by half a dozen different spot lights.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-16-2011 11:00 AM
(02-15-2011 05:35 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: Interestingly enough, there's a documentary on YouTube shot during The Division Bell tour, where Nick talks about how Marc Brickman (who's done their lighting for years) could change up the lighting scheme and re-program them while the show was going on, in the event that they played longer, shorter, switched up the order of songs, etc,. He said that while the basic lighting scheme was programmed, a lot of it could be fiddled with live.
So in theory, David could have pulled a Bruce Springsteen and jumped off an amp case or speaker stack and slid across the floor on his knees, and still been covered by half a dozen different spot lights.
Haha, I'd love to see David do that. I think the entire audience would have a heart attack on the spot.
RE: Is David the best? - Androkles - 02-16-2011 02:16 PM
But still, this is what we get... : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YawZAdtj02k
On fire, man...
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-16-2011 04:11 PM
(02-16-2011 02:16 PM)Androkles Wrote: But still, this is what we get... : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YawZAdtj02k
On fire, man...
That video is legendary. :P
I love Nick's movements in it too, though. There's something joyful and extremely amusing about the way he played the drums back then.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-16-2011 04:55 PM
The comments below the video are what's legendary. The sarcasm on display was hilarious.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-16-2011 05:25 PM
Excellent signature move for Fillmore.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-16-2011 06:16 PM
That is the most epic video ever! So perfect! Haha thats probably the only time he'll ever attempt at a signature move. He's got a signature anti-move though!
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-16-2011 06:26 PM
Yeah, David's signature on-stage move is playing the guitar.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-16-2011 09:01 PM
haha ya. I like Nick Masons playing style in that video
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 02-17-2011 11:39 AM
(02-16-2011 02:16 PM)Androkles Wrote: But still, this is what we get... : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YawZAdtj02k
On fire, man...
I've seen a much longer version of that clip, where it get's even funnier when they all stop pretending they're playing and trying real hard to keep a straight face.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-17-2011 01:16 PM
I wonder how many metric tons of pot were.....consumed.....to make that performance?
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-17-2011 06:29 PM
Alot
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-18-2011 03:28 PM
Dave Mustaine (Metallica, Megadeth) once said that David could do more with one note, than any other guitarist could do with an entire fretboard. I always thought that was a kick-ass compliment, especially since a lot of heavy metal guitarists, like Mr. Mustaine, are quite known for running their fingers up and down the fretboard like the damn thing is on fire. It also shows that even guitarists in other genres can recognize and appreciate the genius that David brings to his craft.
I could watch him play for hours, and when I was fortunate enough to see him in Chicago back in 2006, I stared at his guitar more than anything else.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-18-2011 04:49 PM
That's impressive. Very strong compliment, if I may add. I wish I could see Rick, Roger or David...but mostly Rick.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-18-2011 04:54 PM
Well, if you believe in such a thing, you'll see Rick one day. One thing I remember most about the concert I saw, was when David did band introductions, Rick got the loudest, longest applause out of any of them. He looked genuinely surprised by it, too. Like he couldn't understand why the crowd was so excited to see him, when it was David's show.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-18-2011 05:02 PM
I don't believe in such a thing. I have different beliefs. I honestly think Rick is an amazing musician. Even though I don't believe in ranking artists, I'd class him at the same level as David's if not higher.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 02-19-2011 03:40 AM
(02-18-2011 03:28 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: Dave Mustaine (Metallica, Megadeth) once said that David could do more with one note, than any other guitarist could do with an entire fretboard. I always thought that was a kick-ass compliment, especially since a lot of heavy metal guitarists, like Mr. Mustaine, are quite known for running their fingers up and down the fretboard like the damn thing is on fire. It also shows that even guitarists in other genres can recognize and appreciate the genius that David brings to his craft.
I could watch him play for hours, and when I was fortunate enough to see him in Chicago back in 2006, I stared at his guitar more than anything else.
Metal guitarists shred (seriously, that's what it's called :P) a lot, indeed, but Mustaine definitely knows his ABCs when it comes to guitar playing. He's very skilful and talented, and plays both really quick (borderline shredding) and really melodic (like David does) solos. I think people like him should exist more... They'd make metal music so much better.
It's not surprising that this compliment comes from Mustaine, in other words.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-21-2011 06:36 PM
So I think we can conclude that David Is not the best? but he is great
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-21-2011 07:02 PM
He's the best, but at specific things, whereas other guitarists are better in other areas. Where Duane Allman and Stevie Ray Vaughan excel in technique, he surpasses them in emotion and feel. It's six of one, half-dozen of the other. It's what moves you more; a more technically-gifted guitarist or someone who plays things simply but with more emotion and resonance.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-21-2011 09:26 PM
good point. David is the best at what he attempts to do with the guitar then?
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 02-22-2011 10:45 AM
Yes, David is keeping it simple, but the funny thing is that he was well known in the early days for being able to emulate Jimi Hendrix to perfection.
So he's probably more technically skilled than he lets out.
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RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-22-2011 10:50 AM
Then he must be very modest, because any interview of his I've read where he's asked about his skill, he always demurs and says he's not as technically gifted as others from his generation.
Come on, David.....admit it! You think you're awesome.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-22-2011 12:58 PM
Syd was simpler than David, though.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-22-2011 04:18 PM
Syd may have simpler a his guitar but his music sure is 'busy' so to say
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-22-2011 04:42 PM
Nicely put :-)
I wonder how Syd felt about David? How did everyone feel about David when he first joined?
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-22-2011 04:45 PM
Syd and David were friends. They grew up together in Cambridge, although he was closer to Roger. I'm sure it was hard for David, not only being the new guy, but having to at first, mime all of Syd's parts both musically and vocally. Though I haven't read anything yet to suggest that they did to him what Metallica did to Jason Newsted, for example.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-22-2011 04:59 PM
Any idea how the rest of the band first felt about David?
I got a question about Syd. Wikipedia says he was removed. Did he take off, or was he removed? Whose choice was it? Did he "pass his leadership" to Waters?
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-22-2011 05:10 PM
what happened with Metallica and JAson Newstead?
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 02-22-2011 05:11 PM
No, none. As for what happened to Syd, the band were on their way to pick him up for a gig when they debated actually picking him up, and just decided not to. That was the end of the 5-man Floyd. I've heard it was David who said it, I've heard it was Roger who said it. What we do know is that someone in the car voiced whether they should bother, since he was becoming increasingly more unstable by the day, and the group decided not to and just went on without him.
He didn't pass anything to Roger because quite honestly, I doubt he had any conscious understanding of what was going on anymore.
(02-22-2011 05:10 PM)blue_ember Wrote: what happened with Metallica and JAson Newstead?
After Cliff Burton died and he was hired to be their new bassist, they basically treated him like garbage. Made him pay hundreds of dollars worth of bar tabs, mixed down his instrument on stage and on albums so that you could barely hear it.....just real sophomoric, stupid sh!t.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 02-23-2011 01:29 AM
That's sad.
Anyway, DAVID IS THE BEST WOOO.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 02-23-2011 09:11 AM
sounds good!
RE: Is David the best? - Angelfang - 03-04-2011 05:17 PM
oooo he's the best BY FAR! i've never heard a more beautiful piece of music than comfortably numb, and no one can even touch what he does...its just...AMZING!
RE: Is David the best? - russian - 05-26-2011 10:05 AM
by terms of feel he is my favorite guitarist. he was made for feel and nothing else and thats how every guitarist should be.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 05-26-2011 05:55 PM
feel is one thing that some guitarists lack and in which some excel. Doesn't matter if your fast or slow or a mix as long as you give off emotion
RE: Is David the best? - Cabbage Love - 05-27-2011 11:29 AM
(02-22-2011 05:11 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote:(02-22-2011 05:10 PM)blue_ember Wrote: what happened with Metallica and JAson Newstead?
After Cliff Burton died and he was hired to be their new bassist, they basically treated him like garbage. Made him pay hundreds of dollars worth of bar tabs, mixed down his instrument on stage and on albums so that you could barely hear it.....just real sophomoric, stupid sh!t.
Yea, Jason left his band because the band was insane and Syd was left by his band because he himself was insane.
RE: Is David the best? - MrFeldman - 06-11-2011 10:50 AM
For my taste,..David is "The" master. There are so many great guitarists out there that I enjoy,..But if I could choose to play like any of them , it would be Mr.Gilmour.
Check out (red sky at night) on his solo album On an island.
Dave actually learned the sax to play that piece. He is incredibly talented and versatile.
RE: Is David the best? - itsagas - 08-17-2011 10:53 PM
David Gilmour emotes like no one else. He stands alone. He's sublime. Don't think I'm going to be able to do anything more than gush about him, so I'll stop.
I did have a funny thought though, reading through this thread. Every electric guitar player I've ever known "cut their teeth" with Stairway to Heaven. Made me wonder if Dave ever played it himself. I imagine him preferring to be alone for that, sneaking out to the barn in the middle of the night.
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 08-18-2011 09:23 AM
I don't know. I do have a bootleg of a performance PF did in Austria in 1988, where during soundcheck the band launched into a bit of the Heartbreaker riff, so he's at least familiar with something in Page's oeuvre at the least. It wasn't bad. Not better than the way Page plays it, because I think a guitarist's signature style can only really be done by them, but hardly the work of an amateur.
RE: Is David the best? - itsagas - 08-18-2011 10:03 AM
I imagine he would play it for the sheer appreciation of the tune and the fun of playing it. So many people have been inspired to pick up the guitar because they want to play his solos. Why should guitar greats be any different, I suppose. It was just a funny thought, perhaps only to me.
I've no doubt he would do it justice, no matter who it was he'd be playing. He's so disciplined, he'd practice until he got it right. That discipline, combined with his extraordinary musicality are what set him apart. He's the best, and the others, extraordinary in their own right as they are, are the rest. In my opinion, of coarse.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 08-18-2011 11:57 AM
It is possible to copy someones style but most of the time when people do covers, they want to perform the song with their own style replacing the original style. right?
I think I would love to hear a cover of Stairway To Heaven by Pink Floyd. Ive heard Jimmi Hendrix's cover of it and I was on a music downloading website (sorry Itunes! :P) and I saw a track: 'Stairway To Heaven - Pink Floyd' and this was before I knew anything about Pink Floyd so I got it and it actually sound like Pink Floyd doing STH. I need to relisten to that when I'm back home...
I'm on vacation :D I listened through The Division Bell this morning and I finished reading Inside Out haha Nick is so funny!
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 08-18-2011 12:00 PM
I love PF to death, and I always will.....but if they ever did STH, it would sound like a big 'ol mess. Forget the fact I hate that song for a moment, it's still LZ's most iconic song, even if it's not necessarily their best, IMO. When you start messing around with another band's signature song.....ehh, I can't dig that. I'm not even remotely curious as to what it would sound like, the same as I wouldn't want to hear LZ doing Money or Echoes or any of PF's signature songs.
I guess I'm weird like that.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 08-18-2011 12:00 PM
Whatever Davis plays, I'm sure if he has his mind set on it he will no doubt do it justice. Nick Mason said in his book that a lot of the confrontation ebwteen roger and him was because David was determined when he was set on something and wouldn't let anyone get in his way
lol LZ doing echoes.... haha that would be interesting!
also if they tried to do STH, Rick wouldn't be there :( and even if he theoretically was, roger and david would probably try to make it sound like something of their own and would have more onfrontations
RE: Is David the best? - Floydy - 08-18-2011 09:40 PM
Jimmy Page didn't write Stairway to Heaven until he was 21, I could play it when I was 12. I think that says allot really.
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 08-19-2011 10:06 AM
You do know that Led Zep stole the riff from Spirit I suppose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhKUfiohxEY
Anyway, I think Gilmour prefers Hendrix to Page.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 08-19-2011 10:11 AM
you think? why?
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 08-19-2011 01:40 PM
(08-18-2011 09:40 PM)Floydy Wrote: Jimmy Page didn't write Stairway to Heaven until he was 21, I could play it when I was 12. I think that says allot really.
That really isn't quite relevant...
Besides, one could say the same thing about David. I myself played many Pink Floyd songs when I was twelve.
RE: Is David the best? - itsagas - 08-19-2011 03:24 PM
It really was just a silly thought I had. Personally, I would not have wanted to hear Pink Floyd play Stairway to Heaven. I imagined Dave in his barn in the middle of the night very animated, just completely foaming at the mouth kind of rocking out. The way we have never seen Dave, who is so controlled on stage. It was a funny image, but again, perhaps only to me.
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 08-19-2011 03:37 PM
(08-19-2011 10:11 AM)blue_ember Wrote: you think? why?Because David had a reputation, in the early days, of being a great Hendrix emmulator. He played Hendrix better than Hendrix himself.
He's also confessed to be huge fan.
I've never read anywhere that he's ever made a comment about Page though.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 08-19-2011 04:01 PM
oh haha I never knew that. Good for him! maybe the great musicians now days will be foretold by emulating David himself ;)
RE: Is David the best? - itsagas - 08-19-2011 04:47 PM
He also uses Hendrix's guitar strap. I'm sure that's probably common knowledge to all here. It always suggested to me that Dave is indeed a fan.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 08-19-2011 05:48 PM
is the strap you are talking about this one?
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at 0:25 in Purple Haze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnFSaqFzSO8), does it sound oddly similar to Ibiza Bar? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJAt3NjGa-M). To me they sound similar. well ibiza bar has the guitar dominating more (its a heavier distortion and is louder) and in P. Haze the guitar is a little more complicated, but other then that they sound similar to me
RE: Is David the best? - itsagas - 08-19-2011 06:24 PM
Yes, that's the strap. Now if I could just remember where it was that he commented on it. I just checked the you tube video where I thought I saw it, but he only mentions his Gibson Kalamazoo. "David Gilmour - 'Here I Go' (Syd Barrett) (Live & Acoustic, December 9, 2008)" is the video.
He does Syd's Here I Go. I swear no less than a hundred of the view counts are mine.
RE: Is David the best? - blue_ember - 08-19-2011 06:34 PM
awe man thats the strap? I saw him wearing it in one of his videos and thought, god I would LOVE that strap. Maybe one day I could buy it at an auction or something but now it must be worth so much more....
RE: Is David the best? - itsagas - 08-19-2011 06:53 PM
It would be worth quite the bundle, indeed. For Hendrix's "vibe", of coarse, and now for Gilmour's as well. He wore it at Live 8. It wasn't cheap for him, or whomever bought it for him. I'm sorry, I just can't remember. It might have been a gift from Polly.
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 08-20-2011 04:38 AM
It was indeed a gift from Polly. She bought it at an auction for his sixtieth birthday.
Here's a Gilmour/Seal cover of Hey Joe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPAjf2B3oR0
RE: Is David the best? - itsagas - 08-20-2011 06:37 AM
Thanks for the confirmation, and thanks for the video! Excellent cover.
RE: Is David the best? - Floydy - 08-20-2011 11:07 PM
(08-19-2011 01:40 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:(08-18-2011 09:40 PM)Floydy Wrote: Jimmy Page didn't write Stairway to Heaven until he was 21, I could play it when I was 12. I think that says allot really.
That really isn't quite relevant...
Besides, one could say the same thing about David. I myself played many Pink Floyd songs when I was twelve.
Since when has anything I've said been relevant?
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 08-21-2011 08:10 AM
Just now. What you just said is very relevant.
RE: Is David the best? - Joe - 08-21-2011 09:12 AM
Hey, MJ had a black skin and it turned white. You can put shrimps in a cake! Nothing in this world makes sense!
RE: Is David the best? - Lady Floydian - 08-21-2011 01:03 PM
Well, his skin didn't so much "turn" white, as he purposefully did something to make it that way. I don't know about shrimp in a cake, but shrimp bisque is divine if made correctly. The last sentence is sometimes more true than it should be.
RE: Is David the best? - Floydy - 08-22-2011 01:42 AM
(08-21-2011 09:12 AM)Joe Wrote: Hey, MJ had a black skin and it turned white. You can put shrimps in a cake! Nothing in this world makes sense!
Do you know what else doesn't make sense? George W Bush.
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 08-22-2011 04:05 AM
(08-21-2011 01:03 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: Well, his skin didn't so much "turn" white, as he purposefully did something to make it that way. I don't know about shrimp in a cake, but shrimp bisque is divine if made correctly. The last sentence is sometimes more true than it should be.
Heh, he may be a controversial person and I certainly don't really like him myself, but to state a rumour such as that as a blunt fact doesn't really do him justice at all.
(08-20-2011 11:07 PM)Floydy Wrote:(08-19-2011 01:40 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:(08-18-2011 09:40 PM)Floydy Wrote: Jimmy Page didn't write Stairway to Heaven until he was 21, I could play it when I was 12. I think that says allot really.
That really isn't quite relevant...
Besides, one could say the same thing about David. I myself played many Pink Floyd songs when I was twelve.
Since when has anything I've said been relevant?
Do you know what else is irrelevant? George W Bush.
RE: Is David the best? - Campino - 08-31-2011 03:47 AM
The best is Jimi Hendrix. Definitely :)
RE: Is David the best? - Arno Sluismans - 08-31-2011 05:20 AM
(08-31-2011 03:47 AM)Campino Wrote: The best is Jimi Hendrix. Definitely :)
I like Clapton more.
RE: Is David the best? - gma - 11-29-2011 08:59 AM
I agree in terms of his emotional projection (which comes from a stoic stance on stage, weird juxtaposition...), however I think most of you are using the wrong word here when you say "technical". I believe David Gilmour IS a more technical player than Jimmy Page, that's why he has his sound. People always assume technical means "fast" or "able to play fast" but its not. Technical is the ability to utilize a certain aspect or all aspects of an instrument. In this case, he is more technical than Jimmy Page, where page is simply to me more fiery and able to let everything loose, make more mistakes, try things.
I love Jimmy Page, and I love most people you can name that play faster and more complicated things than David Gilmour, but i have NEVER EVER heard someone bring every noise a guitar can make out of one clean note, and that is why he is my favorite.
RE: Is David the best? - silverpot - 11-29-2011 11:33 AM
Well said gma.
RE: Is David the best? - jonathanpeter545 - 03-24-2012 04:08 AM
Like everybody said, technically, he isn't the best. He's very good, but he isn't the best. Emotionally, he's incredible, and I'd class him as number one. He has a sense of music, and he doesn't give a flying poop about speed and such things.