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- AndersonCouncill - 11-25-2005 08:01 PM
I myself think that on WYWH Floyd kind of "sold-out" which is ironic considering the theme of the album but lets look at it this way:
Shine On--Its fantastic, but its also a bit typical. It follows the formula that had been successfull on Dark Side
Welcome To The Machine--Its got that heavy feeling that just isn't Floyd but was popular at the time.
Have A Cigar--Well its my favorite track on the album its the most blatant in form. Its very Zepplin-esque and has of itself that bluesy quality that every rocker in the 70s was doing.
Wish You Were Here--The Nashville Blues based melody directly indicates that it was made to be a pop success. This is very obvious to me.
Now, I'm not saying this is fact but it makes sense to me. Every album after Dark Side Of The Moon has gimmicks like this, especially The Wall (my favorite album ever, by the way) in which over half the record are in a radio friendly rock style that appeals to the masses.
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- carefulwiththataxluke - 11-25-2005 08:28 PM
- Woof Oink Baaa - 11-25-2005 09:25 PM
You're nuts.
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 11-25-2005 10:32 PM
I agree with you to an extent...I've always felt that Wish You Were Here was Pink Floyd's most "commercial" album. But it is in no way overrated...Shine On You Crazy Diamond is arguably their greatest extended soundscape (Rick in particular shines, no pun intended), and the title track is nothing short of brilliant.
Overrated and "selling out" are pretty strong words, ones which I would never apply to Pink Floyd.
- pointmeatthesky - 11-25-2005 10:37 PM
Who cares?
Sorry, that is not very nice. Although I do not agree with you, I can say i do not love some of the albbum, pretty much just Shine On and Have A Cigar, WYWH itself just bugs me.
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- Woof Oink Baaa - 11-26-2005 01:08 AM
I just don't know how you don't think it's a great album. Okay. It's commercialized. I'll give you that. I have heard every song on this album played on the radio. But it's certainly not more commercialized than DSOTM. Hell, a good amount PF's stuff is commercialized. No reason not to like it.
Anyway, getting back to the album. I think it's just beautiful and touching, even more so than Dark Side. I can't help but get teary during the title track. Shine On is possibly the greatest Floyd epic. The first part is very meaningful and has some great work by Rick and Dave. Roger's vocals are also top notch. Then on the second part, again, great work, meaningful lyrics, and a great jam session to finish it off. Then you got your heavier-oriented songs to balance the album out. WTTM has a very eerie feel to it and some great lyrics. Have A Cigar is probably the most radio-friendly track on this album, but still great. Great lyrics and great solo by Dave at the end.
What's not to like?
- carefulwiththataxluke - 11-26-2005 06:47 AM
Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:I just don't know how you don't think it's a great album. Okay. It's commercialized. I'll give you that. I have heard every song on this album played on the radio. But it's certainly not more commercialized than DSOTM. Hell, a good amount PF's stuff is commercialized. No reason not to like it.You said it man!
Anyway, getting back to the album. I think it's just beautiful and touching, even more so than Dark Side. I can't help but get teary during the title track. Shine On is possibly the greatest Floyd epic. The first part is very meaningful and has some great work by Rick and Dave. Roger's vocals are also top notch. Then on the second part, again, great work, meaningful lyrics, and a great jam session to finish it off. Then you got your heavier-oriented songs to balance the album out. WTTM has a very eerie feel to it and some great lyrics. Have A Cigar is probably the most radio-friendly track on this album, but still great. Great lyrics and great solo by Dave at the end.
What's not to like?
- azza200 - 11-26-2005 04:31 PM
after playing a roio Oakland 1977 i have to say i like album a lot more now and i love Welcome to the machine and shine on parts 6-9
the album has grown on me a bit now
- ACDCPinkFloydQueen - 11-28-2005 05:04 PM
:Oo:
You're kidding right?
I LOVE WYWH! :love: It is definently one of the best albums Pink Floyd ever did.
Shine On, Have A Cigar, Wish You Were Here, and Welcome to the machine are all beautiful tracks.
Did you create this topic just to get burned?
- Radio Slaver - 11-28-2005 05:20 PM
I enjoy the album, but I do see AC's point.
- Delicate Sound - 11-28-2005 08:47 PM
I love Wish You Were Here, it's my favorite Floyd album by far! Shine On Pt.1 is one of their best songs ever, I love the guitar part in the beginning. Shine On Pt. 2 is probably my favorite Floyd song. Welcome to the Machine and Have a Cigar are just two great songs and I really love the lyrics!
I think that the most commercialized Pink Floyd album would have to be Dark Side! I mean come on, the Floyd went from playing these very long and experimental soundscapes for many years and then they release Dark Side, which has 3 big radio hits in Time, Money, and Us & Them and not one song on Dark Side is over 8 minutes long!
Now, Wish You Were Here does have some radio hits, like the title track and Have a Cigar, but it also has two songs that are very insturmental, both are over 10 minutes long and don't really have that many lyrics!
- Woof Oink Baaa - 11-29-2005 03:23 AM
Radio Slaver Wrote:I enjoy the album, but I do see AC's point.And he's entitled to his opinion. I just think he's lost his mind. :D
- AndersonCouncill - 11-29-2005 03:48 PM
Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:I just don't know how you don't think it's a great album. Okay. It's commercialized. I'll give you that. I have heard every song on this album played on the radio. But it's certainly not more commercialized than DSOTM. Hell, a good amount PF's stuff is commercialized. No reason not to like it.When did I ever say I disliked it or that it was not great? Do not, I repeat, Do NOT put words in my mouth.
- pic3789 - 11-29-2005 06:40 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:Now, I'm not saying this is fact but it makes sense to me. Every album after Dark Side Of The Moon has gimmicks like this, especially The Wall (my favorite album ever, by the way) in which over half the record are in a radio friendly rock style that appeals to the masses.i have to disagree with that. you make a valid point with the commercialization, but not every album was like that after DSOTM. Animals was definitely not radio friendly stuff, nor was the Final Cut. maybe some songs were from the Wall, but while a bunch can stand on their own from the Wall, they're better to listen to in the context of the album. Definitely not over half the record is radio friendly.
now you have to consider this. after DSOTM, the Floyd hit it big. with a big album that produced incredible results, and pretty much introduced them to the United States, and other parts of the world, what did you expect them to do? since people actually knew the music, anything new that the Floyd produced was going to HAVE to be appealing to the public and the radio. In the pre-Dark Side era, they were free to do more of the-you could call it 'cult'- stuff because they were not known very well except in like England. Appealing to the masses was their main objective after they hit stardom. how do you think they filled huge stadiums on the In the Flesh tour in 1977? what else could they do with their follow-up of DSOTM? while you may not like that it's commercialized and radio friendly stuff, the Floyd were smart and did what they had to do. that's the reason all their albums sold so well.
by the way-great argument topic AC
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- Woof Oink Baaa - 11-29-2005 07:20 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:Sorry. I'm failing to realize what you're getting at here.Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:I just don't know how you don't think it's a great album. Okay. It's commercialized. I'll give you that. I have heard every song on this album played on the radio. But it's certainly not more commercialized than DSOTM. Hell, a good amount PF's stuff is commercialized. No reason not to like it.When did I ever say I disliked it or that it was not great? Do not, I repeat, Do NOT put words in my mouth.
- carefulwiththataxluke - 11-30-2005 01:54 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:Actualy A.C. that's the inpresion I had too. I guess I misunderstood your post as well.Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:I just don't know how you don't think it's a great album. Okay. It's commercialized. I'll give you that. I have heard every song on this album played on the radio. But it's certainly not more commercialized than DSOTM. Hell, a good amount PF's stuff is commercialized. No reason not to like it.When did I ever say I disliked it or that it was not great? Do not, I repeat, Do NOT put words in my mouth.
Shine on.
- The Great Pig in the Sky - 11-30-2005 02:09 PM
WYWH is a tad overrated, but by no means commercial. Did most popular albums at the time have 5 songs on them, two songs clocking in over 10 minutes? And Shine On is largely instrumental, too. Welcome To The Machine is a very bleak track yet works well, not something frequently heard on the radio at the time. Have A Cigar is basically a spin-off of Money, it's kind of obvious. The title track may be very easy to listen to but it's very emotional. If you want commercial, look at The Division Bell.
- ACDCPinkFloydQueen - 11-30-2005 08:32 PM
Quote:If you want commercial, look at The Division Bell.
Hey, that's not fair.
Well, there was Publius, but otherwise, DSOTM is way more commercialized. 2 re-releases and Waters wants to do another Dark Side tour? Grr...
I love DSOTM, but there is more Pink Floyd out there.
- snowy white - 12-12-2005 05:26 PM
i love this album, its one of pink floyds best
- Snake - 12-16-2005 03:41 PM
I love it how you say it's the most commercialized when Another Brick in The Wall has the obvious disco beat, and disco guitar, and THAT went to #1 in just about every country! And you're saying that WYWH is the most commercial...get ur facts straight.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-16-2005 04:11 PM
Hey, EDITED, the second post I ever made was about how overrated that song was.
And in this very thread:
Quote:especially The Wall (my favorite album ever, by the way) in which over half the record are in a radio friendly rock style that appeals to the masses.
Someone needs to get their facts straigh but it sure a'int me, newbie.
And what are you so mad about? You talk like my opinion makes you angry, which indicates you are immature and probably own a DSOTM tee you bought at target that you strut around town in to look cool.
And further, I never said I didn't like it, I just said its not as goood as its often believed to be. AMLOR, PATGOD, ASOS, and Animals are all much better.
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- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-16-2005 04:21 PM
Take your Ritalin, AC. :D
- AndersonCouncill - 12-16-2005 04:26 PM
I don't take Ritalin. I take AderholXR, The Street Drug For People Who Don't Do Drugs.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-16-2005 04:28 PM
Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:Take your Ritalin, AC. :DAnd its for ADD, so your reply doesn't make sense because that post was a very focused assault, not an ADD induced ramble.
- Snake - 12-16-2005 09:38 PM
Dude, you seem like EDITED, keep your opinions to yourself, yes, your opinion does make me angy, because EDITED, who say that I'm wrong, and they're right piss me off, even tho it's a matter of taste. It seems all you do is whine about what album or whatever is overrated, and i have a Shine On You Crazy Diamond shirt, and a DSOTM shirt as well...
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- Shiptar - 12-17-2005 05:11 AM
I'd highly disagree that its overated.
It deserves all the praise thats heaped upon it.
In fact i'd say its underated if anything.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2005 07:42 AM
Snake Wrote:Dude, you seem like EDITED keep your opinions to yourself, yes, your opinion does make me angy, because EDITED, who say that I'm wrong, and they're right piss me off, even tho it's a matter of taste. It seems all you do is whine about what album or whatever is overrated, and i have a Shine On You Crazy Diamond shirt, and a DSOTM shirt as well...Heh, listen, I never said anything to imply I was better than you, and its even debatable upon looking at my post I even said you were WRONG. Your the one getting all offended and upset about it and bent out of shape and talking to me like my opinion doesn't matter. You were attacking me before I even replied to you so stop saying I'm being so rude when all I'm doing is responding to an unprovoked attack. I was trying to start a fun debate, I thought we might all enjoy, and you've turned this from a fun debate into a shouting match.
And Shiptar, I can understand that opinion (its often left far behind DSOTM when it is much better than that album), but I would say its underrated the same way that Chocolate Cake is underrated... Because its just taken for granted by the masses. I really enjoy WYWH, all I'm saying is I think its overly commercialized (not as much as The Wall, granted) and an attempt by Floyd to take some of the elements that were so successfull on their last album (DSOTM, as you all know), and put them into a more prepackaged format. I'm just saying that I think its less pure then their other albums and more sterilized, if you will.
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- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2005 07:43 AM
Snake Wrote:keep your opinions to yourselfOkay Georgie...
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-17-2005 09:09 AM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:I was just quoting Wayne's World. Sorry if you took it as a personal assault.Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:Take your Ritalin, AC. :DAnd its for ADD, so your reply doesn't make sense because that post was a very focused assault, not an ADD induced ramble.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2005 02:35 PM
Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:No, I know, I just find it funny that you say that and I take Aderhol.AndersonCouncill Wrote:I was just quoting Wayne's World. Sorry if you took it as a personal assault.Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:Take your Ritalin, AC. :DAnd its for ADD, so your reply doesn't make sense because that post was a very focused assault, not an ADD induced ramble.
- Kimbers Sheep - 12-17-2005 04:52 PM
It's a very sad impression people give when they can't argue without insulting each other, watch the language, watch the name-calling and discuss in a mature way or say NOTHING
- Eltjo - 12-19-2005 08:14 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:It's a very sad impression people give when they can't argue without insulting each other, watch the language, watch the name-calling and discuss in a mature way or say NOTHINGI agree. There is a mood-swing over here.
But going back at your initial question, AndersonCouncill, I do not agree. I think for a song / album to be commercial, it is necessary that someone who listens for the first time "likes" (not "loves") the music.
I do think that the title track is a bit commercial. But when I play Shine On You Crazy Diamond 6-9 for somebody who doesn't know Floyd, they would not appreciate it. If this song would be commercial, people not knowing Floyd would appreciate the music.
The same goes for Welcome To The Machine and for Shine On You Crazy Diamond 1-5. Okay, people will not dislike Shine 1-5, but they will not like it the first time.
I think The Wall is the only "commercial" album. But also for The Wall, you've got to get used to it. There are lots of people who think they know Pink Floyd because they know Another Brick In The Wall 2, but that's a mistake.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Tbach - 07-09-2009 11:58 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:It's a very sad impression people give when they can't argue without insulting each other, watch the language, watch the name-calling and discuss in a mature way or say NOTHING
on the subject of the question wish you were here is one of my favs but we are all intiteld to our opinions.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Kimbers Sheep - 07-09-2009 03:02 PM
Not, when the opinion is expressed in an insulting manneer, and by the way, this topic is @3 years old and my statement you quoted has been taken out of context I think.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - JudgeWorm94 - 07-09-2009 03:27 PM
You Are obviously trying to start a flame war. WYWH is the best they ever did. all four members agree it is thier fave work. your just i troll, i won't feed you. if you have a problem, take it somewhere else.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Kimbers Sheep - 07-09-2009 03:40 PM
Please re-read the whole topic...the guy who started it is banned...he's not trying to do anything anymore, lol
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - cevor - 07-09-2009 04:55 PM
Tbach Wrote:Kimbers Sheep Wrote:It's a very sad impression people give when they can't argue without insulting each other, watch the language, watch the name-calling and discuss in a mature way or say NOTHING
on the subject of the question wish you were here is one of my favs but we are all intiteld to our opinions.
JudgeWorm94 Wrote:You Are obviously trying to start a flame war. WYWH is the best they ever did. all four members agree it is thier fave work. your just i troll, i won't feed you. if you have a problem, take it somewhere else.Nicely said Judge.
We run a pretty laid back site here although it's had it's moments over the years. We tend to be a little too quick to look away sometimes too, but useless flaming will not be tolerated in any way. Please review the rules of posting before posting further, I don't have the time to spend deleting garbage. PM if you have an issue, post reasonably or just take a walk.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - OlgaHH - 07-10-2009 04:05 AM
As I was saying earlier, I like much more early PF (pre-DSOTM period). However, WYWH is not overrated, in my opinion. SOYCD is one of the best things PF ever made. But, on the other hand, I don't like song Wish you were here - it's a bit ordinary, I think. Have a cigar is not my favourite track too. WTTM... well, I liked it only after I had heard it in live version from In The Flesh Tour (Montreal).
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - MacPhisto - 07-10-2009 04:07 AM
i think neil peart is a pretty cool guy. eh beats ayn rand and doesn't afraid of anything
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Floydfan91 - 07-10-2009 07:01 AM
WTWH is my favorite Floyd album, followed by Meddle.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Idoownu - 07-14-2009 10:23 PM
*sigh*
Shine On you Crazy Diamond (1-5): Incredible 5/5
Welcome to the Machine: weak point 4.5/5
Have a Cigar: Catchy 5/5
WYWH: Best song ever made 6/5
Shine On you Crazy Diamond (6-9): Incredible 5/5
Overall: 5/5
Thats my opinion
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - MacPhisto - 07-14-2009 11:43 PM
SOYCD1 - 3.5/5
Machine - 2/5
Cigar - 3/5
WYWH - 2.5/5 (y halo thar eagles country ballad)
SOYCD2 - 3/5
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RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Pink Flow - 07-15-2009 01:26 AM
MacPhisto Wrote:SOYCD1 - 3.5/5
Machine - 2/5
Cigar - 3/5
WYWH - 2.5/5 (y halo thar eagles country ballad)
SOYCD2 - 3/5
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You antichrist!
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Three Different Ones - 07-15-2009 08:34 AM
Wish You Were Here is pretty solid
Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 1-5: 5/5
Welcome to the Machine: 3/5
Have a Cigar: 4/5
Wish You Were Here: 5/5
Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 6-9: 4/5
so overall around 4/5ish
You also have to realize, coming from me, for a Floyd album, that's pretty generous
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Xardie - 07-15-2009 09:11 AM
meh, this whole "lol I diss Floyd"-fad is already old and boring... Seriously. I haven't listened to Floyd for ages nor do they excite me as much nowadays but that doesn't in anyway lessen their brilliance.
Any song gets old when you play it thousand times
MacPhisto Wrote:WYWH - 2.5/5 (y halo thar eagles country ballad)
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wow.... combined with your ludicruous claim that SOYCD (and Echoes and Pigs and Dogs) contains useless, axeable sections this post made sure I no longer have to give any consideration for your Floyd dissing
=/ indeed...
Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 1-5: 5/5
Welcome to the Machine: 5/5
Have a Cigar: 5/5
Wish You Were Here: 5/5
Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 6-9: 5/5
WYWH of course is my all time favourite album and has been since I first heard it
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - BOOOSH - 07-15-2009 09:47 AM
Three Different Ones Wrote:Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 1-5: 5/5
Welcome to the Machine: 3/5
Have a Cigar: 4/5
Wish You Were Here: 5/5
Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 6-9: 4/5
I would actually give all of the tracks the same rating you have, so I feel no need to type it again
WYWH is actually the first Pink Floyd album I listened to and purchased so its special to me
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - MacPhisto - 07-15-2009 04:04 PM
Wow. I'm not really popular anymore, am I? >_>
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Xardie - 07-16-2009 01:32 AM
don't worry, I still love you ^__^
just not when it comes to Pink Floyd :D
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - MacPhisto - 07-16-2009 01:45 AM
Aww <333
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Parsifal - 07-16-2009 02:38 AM
Wish You Were Here does have its own distinctive sound, I find. However, much of it is very dragged out and it sounds like they were trying to make as little material go as far as possible. "Welcome To The Machine" is way too long and "Wish You Were Here" is good but I'm sick of it because it's the most popular Floyd song in this country and just about the only one most people know. "Shine On" and "Have A Cigar" are the only really great pieces, in my view.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Ozymandias - 07-16-2009 03:58 AM
I think it's an outstanding album that deserves its praise, but I find it odd how you dislike Welcome to the Machine, I've always loved it. Have a Cigar is significantly the weakest of the bunch.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Tbach - 07-16-2009 06:40 AM
shine on 1-5 11/10
welcome to the machine 10/10
have a cigar 10/10
wish you were here 20/10
shine on 6-9 9/10
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - MacPhisto - 07-16-2009 07:13 AM
Whoops. Sorry if my constant bitching about LOLOLOLOL I DON'T LIEK PNIK FLYOD AS MUCH AS I DID A YEAR AND A HALF AGO ROFLMFAO was annoying ya guise (evidently, it is), I suppose that's just me being even more of a dickhead than I normally am. In retrospect, it is kinda f*cking dickheady of me, so I think I'd be best off leaving 'em alone now. Sorry :(
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Idoownu - 07-16-2009 01:01 PM
Xardie Wrote:meh, this whole "lol I diss Floyd"-fad is already old and boring... Seriously. I haven't listened to Floyd for ages nor do they excite me as much nowadays but that doesn't in anyway lessen their brilliance.
Any song gets old when you play it thousand times
MacPhisto Wrote:WYWH - 2.5/5 (y halo thar eagles country ballad)
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wow.... combined with your ludicruous claim that SOYCD (and Echoes and Pigs and Dogs) contains useless, axeable sections this post made sure I no longer have to give any consideration for your Floyd dissing
=/ indeed...
Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 1-5: 5/5
Welcome to the Machine: 5/5
Have a Cigar: 5/5
Wish You Were Here: 5/5
Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Pts. 6-9: 5/5
WYWH of course is my all time favourite album and has been since I first heard it
I honestly agree with you on everything...except Welcome to the Machine. Sorry, but there has to be a weak point on an album.
That gets a 4.5 out of me
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Xardie - 07-16-2009 02:40 PM
I don't get how people see WttM as album's weak point and not Have A Cigar. Can somebody explain?
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - cevor - 07-16-2009 02:42 PM
nope
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - FlashTheReadiesWotsUhTheDeal - 10-25-2009 07:55 PM
No. I don't see how it's considered overrated
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - Lady Floydian - 10-26-2009 08:48 AM
Of all the albums I've read/heard are overrated, WYWH never comes up. Even though I disagree with it, I can see where someone would say that DSOTM is overrated......but Wish You Were Here? I don't understand that. I'm curious what about this particular album makes it overrated to someone.
RE: WYWH OVERRATED - If this topic doesn't get your attention - tristan_echoes - 12-06-2009 10:14 AM
Wish You Were Here is not overrated at all, it's awesome at the least
shine on 1-5--10/10 rick's organ work is nothing short of frikkin epic
welcome to the machine 8/10 i have a strange feeling when i'm listening to this song, a good strange feeling.
Wish You Were Here 11/10 a song with much hope but also with much sorrow, a great combination
shine on 6-9 10/10 a great ending to an amazing album
on of my favorite albums, it's not overrated