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- ApocalypseKurtz - 07-18-2007 06:53 AM
Since 1977, this song was performed by Waters on a few of his solo tours, and also during the MloR tour by the Gilmour'led Floyd. Who do you think does it better?
In my opinion, neither version is as good as the studio version. The studio version achieves a rare vocal harmony that has never come close to being reproduced. That even goes for when it was performed live in '77 by Gilmour and Waters. In fact I might say 'Welcome to the Machine' is LEAST ENJOYABLE 'good song' to hear live due to its downbeat melody and lyrics. But I still will always love the studio cut.
- Dyolf - 07-19-2007 03:28 AM
I like the '87-'89 version, it's extended with a guitar solo and Dave on a 12-string!
I didn't like Waters' solo versions when I heard them, but I also like the '75 & '77 live versions too.
Dave's voice is suited to it rather than Roger's IMO.
I disagree with you saying that WTTM is rubbish live, I don't think I've heard a Pink Floyd song that is worse live than in the studio, live versions rule!
- mabewa - 07-19-2007 07:07 AM
The Waters version is definitely better live. The way he sings it is totally different from how Dave sang it on the record, but I think his live versions are more powerful and effective than how the post-Waters Floyd did it.
- whong - 07-19-2007 11:13 AM
I've always prefered Roger's spin on the song, especially on his 'Pros And Cons' tour. That was his opener, and it just blew everyone away....very powerful, with sax and guitar both trading leads, and the female voices used very well to accentuate Roger.
- azza200 - 07-19-2007 03:59 PM
The AMLOR tour had some great versions of the song anyone seen the VOIO footage from Athens 1989 on youtube will know what i mean. :p
- Dyolf - 07-19-2007 05:18 PM
azza200 Wrote:The AMLOR tour had some great versions of the song anyone seen the VOIO footage from Athens 1989 on youtube will know what i mean. :pNo. Guess what I'm off to do now.... :;):
- Dyolf - 07-19-2007 05:41 PM
I'm now watching Money from Venice :D Dave shouting "Saxophooooone!" is great! And Jon Carin helping Gary Wallis out on percussion :D
- whong - 07-20-2007 06:06 PM
Dyolf Wrote:I'm now watching Money from Venice :D Dave shouting "Saxophooooone!" is great! And Jon Carin helping Gary Wallis out on percussion :DCarin does percussion too? Cool! Talented guy
- Dyolf - 07-21-2007 03:06 AM
whong Wrote:I dont think he was supposed to be, he just picked up a stick and started bashing things :D just for the fun of it. Gary Wallis also left his kit to join Dave with a tamborene.Dyolf Wrote:I'm now watching Money from Venice :D Dave shouting "Saxophooooone!" is great! And Jon Carin helping Gary Wallis out on percussion :DCarin does percussion too? Cool! Talented guy
AND this gig is the first time I've ever seen Dave jump about.
- whong - 07-21-2007 09:03 PM
Dyolf Wrote:I'm going to have to check this show out in it's entirety. I've seen little bits and pieces of it throughout maybe the past year or so, but nothing that's been mentioned here.whong Wrote:I dont think he was supposed to be, he just picked up a stick and started bashing things :D just for the fun of it. Gary Wallis also left his kit to join Dave with a tamborene.Dyolf Wrote:I'm now watching Money from Venice :D Dave shouting "Saxophooooone!" is great! And Jon Carin helping Gary Wallis out on percussion :DCarin does percussion too? Cool! Talented guy
AND this gig is the first time I've ever seen Dave jump about.
I hope they do eventually put this particular show out on dvd officially. It was a very special concert, stage, venue. I think I remember reading somewhere that the band was asked to reduce their sound level per city ordinance or some such thing....
- pinkfloydfan1 - 07-22-2007 09:02 AM
whong Wrote:I think I remember reading somewhere that the band was asked to reduce their sound level per city ordinance or some such thing....If i remember right... it was because the town mayor thoguht that the noise would damage all the historic buildings theey had in the town.
- pinkfloydfan1 - 07-22-2007 09:02 AM
Anyways Waterless gets my vote
- Dyolf - 07-22-2007 01:43 PM
- whong - 07-22-2007 02:31 PM
- Dyolf - 07-22-2007 02:47 PM
- whong - 07-22-2007 04:33 PM
- Dyolf - 07-22-2007 04:38 PM
They scaled the show down because it had to fit in with TV schedules. Shine On is only the Part 1 (the intro). YouTube has the whole thing except for TGGITS.
When I get the DVD, (If I can) I'll upload it to YouTube, and I'll put my review here.
- whong - 07-22-2007 04:44 PM
Dyolf Wrote:They scaled the show down because it had to fit in with TV schedules. Shine On is only the Part 1 (the intro). YouTube has the whole thing except for TGGITS.That'd be great, man......thanks!
When I get the DVD, (If I can) I'll upload it to YouTube, and I'll put my review here.
edit: Actually, I just now saw a version of this for sale on Amazon. It appears to be the same setlist that ended up on the DSOT cd. One reviewer warned that it only had a dvd, no cds. It was also selling for $50.00! Yikes!
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- Dyolf - 07-23-2007 01:27 AM
whong Wrote:Should Amazon be selling un-licensed products? :Oo:Dyolf Wrote:They scaled the show down because it had to fit in with TV schedules. Shine On is only the Part 1 (the intro). YouTube has the whole thing except for TGGITS.That'd be great, man......thanks!
When I get the DVD, (If I can) I'll upload it to YouTube, and I'll put my review here.
edit: Actually, I just now saw a version of this for sale on Amazon. It appears to be the same setlist that ended up on the DSOT cd. One reviewer warned that it only had a dvd, no cds. It was also selling for $50.00! Yikes!
- whong - 07-23-2007 03:53 PM
Seems they do to a small extent. Do a search on "DVD" and enter Gilmour, and you'll see about three different items. The 'Live At The Hammersmith Odeon' one I actually bought....it's a boot of the old VHS release, but I like it. The cd half, anyway.....the DVD is horrid....obviously a transfer from video and very blurred.
I'm not sure why/how Amazon has these available......
RE: 'Welcome to the Machine' live post '77 tour - Do you prefer Waters or Watersless Floyd - Three Different Ones - 11-16-2007 12:07 PM
Waters.