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- Alternate Gilmour - 04-24-2005 03:10 PM
Roger has hit some lows......like Pros&Cons....(still don't get that one).
Agree??????
- Jfloydian - 04-24-2005 04:16 PM
I LOVE that album, I love Waters.
- BusStopRatBag - 04-24-2005 04:21 PM
HAH thats a good one....Waters....heh....worst hAH!
- Jfloydian - 04-24-2005 04:29 PM
Eh........no Roger Waters is my favorite band member/song writer! I am not the only one.
- Alternate Gilmour - 04-24-2005 04:57 PM
well I love Roger too but as a theme Pros&Cons has me scratching my head????
- Jfloydian - 04-24-2005 05:07 PM
Lol, yah it is kinda quirky.
- David_Gilmour_77 - 04-27-2005 06:34 PM
Some of rogers solo stuff is no good but overall he has done a very sucessful solo career. Roger waters rocks!
- rkb2023b - 04-27-2005 07:49 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:Pros and Cons is really the only solo album I like of his. I think it is done well and the only thing close to a floyd album. Amused and the radio whatever album I really cant get into.
Roger has hit some lows......like Pros&Cons....(still don't get that one).
Agree??????
- Stackhouse - 04-28-2005 01:22 AM
If Roger has hit any lows it would have to be Radio KAOS
- Alternate Gilmour - 04-28-2005 02:47 PM
I just don't get what some of you are saying about Kaos. It was a really good album...very floyd like.
One or two of you claim Pros&Cons greatness...please explain what you mean. It's nothing like Floyd IMHO and may be a 2nd rate album, again IMO.
Tell me what I missed so I can like it too.
- BusStopRatBag - 04-28-2005 04:20 PM
well yeah....and....all those people who just dislike him....i would like to see you do better
- publius_enigma - 04-28-2005 06:48 PM
the girl on like the track 5:06 am is (i think thats it) where hes in the coffee shop...
shes the same one from uhhhh the wall live in berlin, yes?
- Gilmour Academy - 04-28-2005 07:04 PM
Yup, that would be his worst!
- AndersonCouncill - 04-28-2005 07:32 PM
I never believed Pros And Cons sounded like Floyd or was ever intended to, but it is really cool. :) :) :) :) :)
- rkb2023b - 04-28-2005 08:15 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:I never believed Pros And Cons sounded like Floyd or was ever intended to, but it is really cool. :) :) :) :) :)Yea Pros does not sound like true floyd, it sounds like TFC which also doesnt even sound like Floyd. so u see TFC and Pros are similar to each other and not to other works of floyd.
The 2 albums were made the same way and resemble each other.
- AndersonCouncill - 05-06-2005 12:05 PM
And Radio KAOS is sooo cheesy... Good songs, good story, not intelligent enough though.
- -Svend- - 05-07-2005 12:49 PM
I always liked Amused To Death more, anyway... but it wasn't a bad album. I'd say it's better than TFC. But it's hard to choose.
- AndersonCouncill - 06-09-2005 11:07 PM
PACOH is definintley better than TFC.
- K.A.O.S - 06-26-2005 09:41 AM
Pro's and cons is what got me into rogers solo stuff. and as for Radio K.A.O.S being cheesy, I really think differently, it is a great album. I think everyones favorite waters solo album is probably ATD, it is great......
- Henr1k - 06-26-2005 11:00 AM
And quite similar to The Wall as well, not that strange since PCOH and The Wall were written round about the same time.
- Rogacz - 06-26-2005 03:07 PM
The Pros and Cons is a great album, but still I think that Amused to Death is better.
- Skol - 06-28-2005 02:40 AM
I've only heard a few tracks off KAOS so I can't really comment but I love Pro's and Con's and Amused to Death.
- Syd's tab - 06-29-2005 01:50 AM
If he even has a low it would be KAOS. The production and songs are a bit too cheesy for me, but much as I love him, he always treaded that line and did it very well.
- Whiskee - 07-06-2005 07:21 AM
Well, who wouldn't. :p
KAOS, I think, has some weaker songs in the middle... as well as Pros and Cons, but not that many.
- RogerIsMyHomeboy - 07-08-2005 10:09 AM
I have Radio KAOS and Amused To Death, and I can't seem to get into either of them. I love Roger Waters, but I feel like his solo albums focus too much on the message and not enough abou thow it is presented. I mean, the lyrics and stories are great, but it feels like the music is an afterthought when it is made.
- A New Machine - 07-09-2005 01:34 PM
I don't like Pros & Cons.
I don't see how you can expect to make a good album when you put the same melody in Every Song!
- Wanna Take A Bath? - 07-09-2005 06:37 PM
Pros and Cons is an absolute masterpiece i dont see how it could be considered a low
- SOYCD123 - 07-10-2005 12:13 PM
I think Radio Kaos is not too good
- anycolouryoulike - 08-11-2005 03:49 PM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:It has its pros and cons...
Roger has hit some lows......like Pros&Cons....(still don't get that one).
Agree??????
- gianniskpf - 08-12-2005 02:09 AM
Roger Waters is one of the most inspirational artists of rock history. He has proved his talent many times in the past, through his lyrics and music and had a major contribution in most of the most successful PF albums. If he had (I believe he didn't) any bad periods in his life and carreer, it is not our job to criticise him. Perfection is not an obligation he has towards us. To not reach your limits once or twice is natural and huiman so a little respect please to the work he has presented all these years. It's not little.
Thanks
p.s. Pros and Cons is one of the most thrilling albums I've ever heard
- pink11235 - 08-12-2005 04:27 AM
Alternate Gilmour Wrote:I just don't get what some of you are saying about Kaos. It was a really good album...very floyd like.I think you may have missed the idea that Waters' solo career was just that, a solo career. Whether it sounded like Pink Floyd or not does not affect the greatness of any of his solo albums.
One or two of you claim Pros&Cons greatness...please explain what you mean. It's nothing like Floyd IMHO and may be a 2nd rate album, again IMO.
Tell me what I missed so I can like it too.
- Sydney - 08-14-2005 06:15 AM
gianniskpf Wrote:Roger Waters is one of the most inspirational artists of rock history. He has proved his talent many times in the past, through his lyrics and music and had a major contribution in most of the most successful PF albums. If he had (I believe he didn't) any bad periods in his life and carreer, it is not our job to criticise him. Perfection is not an obligation he has towards us. To not reach your limits once or twice is natural and human so a little respect please to the work he has presented all these years. It's not little.Agree. Roger is awesome and I've yet to hear a "worst" from him, and I doubt that I will...
Thanks
p.s. Pros and Cons is one of the most thrilling albums I've ever heard
- pointmeatthesky - 08-15-2005 03:28 PM
I've had Pros & Cons for some time, never really liked it, but yesterday i listened to it live and man it is killer!So now i can say there is no such thing as waters worse.
- GRAPHITE_BLIMPS - 08-15-2005 03:50 PM
when he did the wall live in berlin with all those crap artists
- pointmeatthesky - 08-15-2005 03:51 PM
GRAPHITE_BLIMPS Wrote:when he did the wall live in berlin with all those crap artistsoh yeah, i forgot about that. So that is waters worse, nothing else!
- King Bee - 08-15-2005 05:22 PM
Roger is alot more successful solo then dave is... About Face is decent but the other one Gilmour or whatever its called sucks if you notice when Dave has a solo concert he always ends up doing songs Roger wrote: shine on, comfy, run like hell etc. he cant even come up with his own lyrics his wife ends up helping him... although Pros and Cons is a little shakey it blows anything Daves done away
- RogerIsMyHomeboy - 08-15-2005 06:05 PM
Roger has his highs and lows in his solo career, a low being KAOS especially. I think the main problem with me and his work is that his focus post- Floyd was squarely on lyrics. I think he needed Dave with him to give him some resistance, and remind him that there needs to be compelling music to go along with compelling lyrics. Just my opinion, though.
- AndersonCouncill - 08-15-2005 11:23 PM
Radio Waves.
- Rogerwaterhasgonemad - 08-16-2005 03:27 PM
well pro and cons are better then to kill the child
- Rogerwaterhasgonemad - 08-16-2005 03:29 PM
well pro and cons are better then to kill the child
- Alternate Gilmour - 08-16-2005 04:11 PM
GRAPHITE_BLIMPS Wrote:when he did the wall live in berlin with all those crap artistsHaha...when he had Sinead O'Connor sing that "bust my balls" line I hit the floor laughing.
- The Thin Ice of Modern Life - 08-31-2005 11:36 PM
I don't think Waters had any sort of low point in his career. He put full thought and heart into all 3 albums, so that is more than enough to make me happy.
Pros and Cons took me some time getting into, simply because I felt like there was so much going on at once. But I love it. As for the melodies and the music, I tend to look at Pros and Cons and just one extremely long song. It's not an album where I can listen to certain tracks or the tracks out of order. It's kinda an all or nothing thing for me.
As for KAOS, the music does sound very dated, but it fits. I like the album simply because I can't get enough of "The Tide Is Turning."
Amused to Death I still haven't grasped fully yet, but only because I recently purchased all of Waters' solo work. It takes a few listens before I can fully grasp a Waters album.
The Final Cut is exquisite. That too took me a few listens to really get into it, but it's become one of my favorite albums of all time. The title track alone...wow.
Ok I'm done boring you all with my rant. :D
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 09-01-2005 03:35 AM
rogers low point is the fact that he never mentions dave in his shows. this would be a plus for the band reunion tour. he mentions 'them', but never by name. other than that, he is a god that no other songwriter of musician has ever touched in rock and roll history.
- Sydney - 09-01-2005 03:56 PM
GRAPHITE_BLIMPS Wrote:when he did the wall live in berlin with all those crap artistsI'm not too happy with Jerry Hall's doing of the "Oh my God..." it sounded forced, but I like Roger on The Wall in Berlin, he was cool, as always! :blues:
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- FarAwayLaughter - 09-15-2005 11:28 AM
Would Pros and Cons be a good album to get? In your opinion
- etphonehomeyo - 09-15-2005 11:48 AM
Sydney Wrote:i thout jerry was great and sounded like the drunken/obnoxious sluts i see at concerts all the time... but maybe i only think it she did well because i love herGRAPHITE_BLIMPS Wrote:when he did the wall live in berlin with all those crap artistsI'm not too happy with Jerry Hall's doing of the "Oh my God..." it sounded forced, but I like Roger on The Wall in Berlin, he was cool, as always! :blues:
- Sydney - 09-15-2005 03:48 PM
I think I just like the original better...I like Jerry Hall somewhat, I like her show "Kept" it was pretty funny. :;):
- silverman - 09-15-2005 04:54 PM
fans r fans they don't criticise - the facts are facts n the whole worlds knows music from the body & k.a.o.s were roger's worst stuff - lets forgive final cut it had sum guitar solos to overcome rogers senseless music on de album
disagree or not itz my point of view & i got da right to post it folkz
:D
- Alternate Gilmour - 10-07-2005 05:43 PM
I am guessing now that Ca Ira may fall into that Lo category.
I've listened to it all about 4 times and now think it is somewhere below Pro's and con's on the Waters scale.
Best to notbest solo list:
ATD
Intheflesh
Kaos
FC
P&C
CaIra
- Sydney - 10-07-2005 05:46 PM
What do you not like about Ca Ira?
- Alternate Gilmour - 10-07-2005 06:09 PM
You should read my review of it in my Ca Ira thread.
In short, I thought his choices of vocalists were all wrong.
Their voices were so rich and so powerful they overwhelmed
all else. And they were always singing...(less would have been good).
I think it would have been better to pick voices with no operatic range. Flawed, weaker voices that were a closer match to his own. Roger has a flawed but unique voice if you know what I mean. Less is more.
When I heard my first Fa la la la la.....I knew we were in trouble.
- Sydney - 10-07-2005 06:18 PM
Oh well where is your review, I looked but couldn't find it. Anyway if it's the vocals you don't like, that's pretty subjective, wouldn't you agree. Thus to say "we're in trouble" would be making a big assumption about the rest of our tastes, and you know what they call a person who makes an assumption... :;):
- Alternate Gilmour - 10-07-2005 06:29 PM
Haha...I guess you might be right about the "we" part.
But of course I was using the "royal we"....which makes it ok.
Haha
Have you heard it yet?
- Sydney - 10-07-2005 06:34 PM
Only bits and pieces, and I like what I've heard so far. I am much more eager to hear his new rock album coming out, there I get to hear, what I would call, Roger's superb voice.
Roger did say, according to USA Today, that he hoped fans wouldn't just get Ca Ira because he wrote it, because it is so different from what his fans would be used to. So he knows that some people who may normally like his work are going to be disappointed. However he is reaching out to a whole new audience, which I do admire.
- Alternate Gilmour - 10-07-2005 06:43 PM
I'd like to hear what you think after hearing it all.
- Sydney - 10-07-2005 06:45 PM
Well as soon as I have time to sit down and listen to it all I will get back to you on that! :)
- White Like Jesus - 10-08-2005 11:04 AM
I'd have to say Radio KAOS is his worst. It's got great lyrics and a couple of great songs (like "Who Needs Information"), but the music, like everyone says, is heavy on the cheese. I think I might even prefer A Momentary Lapse Of Reason to KAOS, and this is coming from a huge Waters fan that hates post-Floyd.
The only other thing I can't stand about Waters' solo stuff (and this goes for Gilmour Floyd as well) is how he relies too much on the gospel chicks to carry the songs. I'd rather hear his failing voice than feel like I'm in a church service or something.
- Alternate Gilmour - 10-08-2005 02:18 PM
I'm thinking that if we heard from "Black like Jesus" he would like the gospel chicks. (haha)
I loved the choir myself..........
How would you rate them best to not best?
- free - 10-16-2005 04:36 AM
i dont like Pros&Cons i think its not so good cd.
- Romeo - 10-16-2005 03:08 PM
King Bee Wrote:Roger is alot more successful solo then dave is... About Face is decent but the other one Gilmour or whatever its called sucks if you notice when Dave has a solo concert he always ends up doing songs Roger wrote: shine on, comfy, run like hell etc. he cant even come up with his own lyrics his wife ends up helping him... although Pros and Cons is a little shakey it blows anything Daves done awayWhy are we comparing Dave to Roger?
Anyways Dave never really was the lyric write for PF so why do you expect him to be an amazing lyrics writer?
Roger wrote the lyrics and Dave was more of the music man. Although I don't quite know what happened on a Momentary Lapse of Crap.
- Summer '68 - 10-18-2005 09:22 AM
rkb2023b Wrote:To me they sound different because Clapton is so differnt than Gilmour. Dave's feel and flow always gave me that spoonful of sugar to make Roger's medicine go down.AndersonCouncill Wrote:I never believed Pros And Cons sounded like Floyd or was ever intended to, but it is really cool. :) :) :) :) :)Yea Pros does not sound like true floyd, it sounds like TFC which also doesnt even sound like Floyd. so u see TFC and Pros are similar to each other and not to other works of floyd.
The 2 albums were made the same way and resemble each other.
It's no surprise that Waterless Floyd lacks edge while Solo Waters lacks warmth and color.
I like Rog's post Floyd stuff, but I'd like it better with Dave's touch added to it. No disrespect to Clapton, Andy Fairweather Low or Beck. I just like a little Gilmour with my Waters...