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- FelicityKendall'sUnderwear - 06-29-2006 09:50 AM
I can't believe that the authorities aren't pressing charges:
Baby found dead in vehicle
Mother apparently forgot to drop off baby at day care
By Lisa Gibson
Herald Staff Writer
A 5-month-old baby died in a minivan Wednesday after the mother apparently forgot to drop the child off at day care.
The tragedy was discovered about 5:30 p.m. outside the Wonder Years 2 day care. The baby's mother stopped at the day care after work to pick up the child and was told by staff that the baby had not been dropped off. She realized then that the baby had been in her minivan all day.
"The mother had forgotten to drop off the child at day care in the morning," said Curt Kreun, owner of Wonder Years 2. "She actually came in the building to pick up the child and then realized what had happened."
The child was in a car seat in the back of the vehicle, according to Sgt. Jeff Burgess of the Grand Forks Police Department. A Wonder Years 2 staff member made the 911 call, according to Kreun.
Staff members had taken the baby out of the van and started CPR before the ambulance arrived. Kreun said he reached the scene about 6 p.m. and emergency personnel already had gotten the word from Altru to cease resuscitation.
"The child had probably passed away a while before she got to the day care," Kreun said.
Kreun, who has been in the child care business for years, said near-tragedies happen all too often.
"I know people who have gotten to work and realized they forgot to drop off their kids and had to go back."
Kreun said it would have been impossible for passersby to see the baby in the van, which had tinted windows.
"I walked around that van about 14 times after they left, and you would not have been able to see in there," he said.
The incident is under investigation by the Criminal Investigation Bureau, but police told Kreun they didn't expect charges to be filed.
"They're looking at it as a tragic accident," he said. "This is by far the most devastating thing I've had to witness."
"There are no arrests being made tonight," said Burgess. "I can tell you that."
The cause of death had not yet been confirmed Wednesday night, but a likely cause of death in cases where children are left in hot vehicles is hyperthermia.
The temperature in a parked car rises very rapidly, even when the windows are left open a crack. Studies show that the temperature can rise as much as 50 degrees in an hour.
Wednesday's high was 79 degrees, so the temperature in the van easily could have exceeded 100 degrees.
-Okay, I'm not buying this. How in the world could someone forget that their kid was in the backseat of their car?! And, even if it was an honest mistake, the parent should still be arrested for manslaughter. This kind of sh*t happens all too often, and how do we know the parent didn't do it on purpose, because they decided they really don't want the responsibility of taking care of a baby? Ridiculous. I don't like the quote by the Sgt., that there will be no arrests made. The cops are automatically assuming that it was an accident. That mother belongs in jail, as far as I'm concerned.
- Morglor9 - 06-29-2006 11:02 AM
This happened again? What a load of ********. That's how you know how much parents care about there kids, their to busy with their ****** jobs to remember about their ******* kids. Damn, how do you do that? don't babies tend to make noise? sure, it may have fallen asleep, but still. Most parents love their kids obsessively, and yet you manage to forget it in the car?
What's up with the no charges being laid? they call it a "tragic accident" which is exactly what criminal neglegence causing death is supposed to be used for.
- The Final Cut - 06-29-2006 11:47 AM
I hate f*cking stupid people
- Jumpy - 06-29-2006 12:03 PM
How about the possibility that it IS a tragic accident and the mothe is devastated far beyond what you can imagine? Not only would putting her in jail be useless, it would be cruel and inhuman.
I don't know how many conclusions I would draw from this newspaper story, but I am just saying try to keep an open mind.
- Space Cadet - 06-29-2006 12:19 PM
Situations such as this are difficult to determine, and for a few reasons; while one parent might intentionally shingle and consciously condone their child's death, another wouldn't dream of it, but may just as simply make a critical mistake with tragic results and be accused of homicide. Obviously that isn't the case here as the woman wasn't arrested, but I'm sure there will be further investigations, and assuming it was accidental the lady will need time to reflect without being attacked. After all, details regardless, this woman is essentially accountable for her baby's death and that's something she'll live with for the rest of her life. It was her overstep that killed the kid, and she knows that I'm sure. Being persecuted for murder would be very damaging psychologically, but wouldn't raise the dead.
Even still, this story in itself should be a lesson to all. New parents should try to be attentive as possible, bearing in mind that whatever happens, they're substantially responsible.
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 06-29-2006 12:23 PM
Of course it was an accident, I can't imagine any parent deliberately leaving their baby to asphyxiate in a minivan. That does not mean, however, that the mother is not completely and totally at fault here; what kind of person FORGETS THEIR BABY IN THE CAR?! That baby should have been on her mind every waking moment.
Sure, I feel bad that she lost her child, but that's about as far as my sympathy goes. I feel more sorry for the baby whose life never even began because of her.
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- The Final Cut - 06-29-2006 01:05 PM
People this stupid shouldnt be allowed to have babys. I mean theres NO escuse to leave you baby in a car. This is why i pretty much dont like America because 85% of the people are like this girl. I'm moving to Australia.
- Space Cadet - 06-29-2006 01:15 PM
The Final Cut Wrote:because 85% of the people are like this girl.Would you mind backing that statistic?
- The Final Cut - 06-29-2006 01:17 PM
From what ive observed during the little bit of time ive been on this earth. I wasnt saying all of you are like that im just saying from what i saw and the people i know. But there is also alot of smart people in america but they are waaaayy outnumbered by ignorant people.
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- Space Cadet - 06-29-2006 01:32 PM
The Final Cut Wrote:From what ive observedYou used a percentage. Percentages are absolute. Your opinion isn't absolute, and therefore this is a false figure. Call me fastidious but that was a totally fabricated comment.
- The Final Cut - 06-29-2006 02:20 PM
What do you mean "Fabricated comment"?
- Echoes73 - 06-29-2006 03:23 PM
carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:what kind of person FORGETS THEIR BABY IN THE CAR?! That baby should have been on her mind every waking moment.exactly and how many cases do you see of this EVERY SINGLE YEAR, what kind of parent figures would these people have been had the child survived?!?!
- artie_fufkin - 06-29-2006 05:09 PM
The Final Cut Wrote:People this stupid shouldnt be allowed to have babys. I mean theres NO escuse to leave you baby in a car. This is why i pretty much dont like America because 85% of the people are like this girl. I'm moving to Australia.While I can understand your anger (I used to get mad at this, too - now I view it as a tragedy), I think your knee-jerk comment that 85% of Americans are like this girl. You're mistaken. It happens pretty rarely, and with a GROWING population getting close to 300,000,000 people, obviously 85% of parents aren't doing this.
If you move to Australia, please make sure you don't say you're from America - I don't want Australians to think we're ALL a bunch of gullible fools who make brash statements with statistics like you've cited.
- The Final Cut - 06-29-2006 05:32 PM
I wasnt saying the 85% of Americans will forget their kids in cars i was just saying about 85% of Americans are unresponsible. Just look at all the 13 year olds having sex. All the 12 year olds and older doing drugs. And look at some of the parents forgeting their kids in cars. Look at all the gangs and shootings. Just look at our f*cking divorce rates. And your calling me gullible. Tell me please, how were any of my comments being gullible? hmmm...
- DeltaOfVenus - 06-29-2006 06:09 PM
I am too careful. I would have double or even triple-checked when I arrived at work to see if my baby was in the backseat. I am even like that with my dog when I take her out. Of course, I am so protective of her, I won't even leave her in the car by herself. I am slighty obsessive-compulsive. After reading this story, I realize it's a good thing.
And I hardly think 85% of people would leave their precious five-month-old in a hot car. That's a stretch fella. But yeah, society is on a downward trend, I agree with you there and there are less and less responsible, caring human beings in this world, but I sincerely hope 95% of us would know better than to roast our child alive in a car on a hot summer day and then blame "absent-mindedness" on it. That's a human life for God's sake. How could you forget something so precious? Would like to know more about this case, like was the person on drugs or did they have all their marbles intact or maybe it was a good way of getting rid of an unwanted baby? Remember Susan Smith and that chick Andrea Yates that drowned her kids in the bathtub?
Or, it could simply be just a tragic accident.
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- artie_fufkin - 06-29-2006 07:42 PM
OK, I know it's a major freak-out situation, and I recall (clearly) my calls for the death penalty on people who do this sort of thing back in the early '90s when the first case of this was publicized, but I have come to see that it's a horrible tragedy, and I sure shouldn't pass judgment like that, on people I don't know, etc.
So, I have seen that some people are simply DEVASTATED when they realize the mistake they made. Sometimes, you just have to feel for them, and just know that they will have to live with this the rest of their lives. Some will end up committing suicide. I don't know - I guess I have changed my stance over the years simply because I saw a couple of these people on the news, and they were absolutely distraught.
Manslaughter charges, investigation, see what happened, and go from there. Sort of makes me sick when I think about it, but it's more for the kids.
Now, if it was some lady who was hookin' to buy more drugs and left the baby in the car, and it wasn't a big deal to her - sure, I'd think differently. But an honest (but tragic) mistake just leaves me feeling mixed up.
It's sad all around, folks. I'm not going to shout anyone down, so please don't take it that way, but I'm just offering a different perspective that's been tempered by some things I've seen. Some folks would say I'm conservative in many aspects, and it was hard for me to accept the fact that someone could screw up so badly - but in the past 3 years or so, I have accepted it, as odd as that may seem.
So, I guess I'm just going to leave it at this: Pause for just a bit and know that NORMAL folks don't do this type of thing UNDER NORMAL circumstances. But for a working single mother who never gets enough sleep, has a lot of stuff on her mind between work and such, then she's got to deal with lousy rush-hour traffic, it seems to STILL be a bit difficult to screw up like that, but it DOES happen. As a traveler, I know people who have left their laptops in the hotel, left their suitcase in the trunk of the rental car, and all the things that you can't imagine they'd screw up, all because they weren't RIVETED to their normal routine and got distracted by one little thing. Hell, there was a professional skydiver who jumped out of an airplane while filming someone else, and forgot his parachute. How could he screw up like that? Well, it happens. I'm sure he got distracted because he was making sure the camcorder was shooting everything just right, then he was thinking about filming, and parachuting was all secondary to that. There was video he took of him jumping, the tandem people following, their chute opening, and him reaching for the handle and scarmbling and twisting. Can you imagine falling all that time and what you'd be thinking? Now, imagine having another 40 years to think about that one silly, petty thing that you let distract you. I'm confident it would consume me.
OK, sorry; please do think what you will, but that's my thought on it these days, and those are the reasons offered. Nothing any of us can say would make the situation suck any less. I suppose I have seen some great people screw up little things, and I can sort of imagine how this might unfold.
- DeltaOfVenus - 06-29-2006 07:49 PM
Yeah, artie, it could have been a tragic accident. Like I said, I would need to know more about this person's life. It's just hard for me to imagine, but I guess stuff like this happens. I have read stories down here where parents have accidently ran over their own tots right in their driveway! But being an anal, obsessive person, I can't see that happening to me! And I hope I never eat these words such as often happens in life. :(
- artie_fufkin - 06-29-2006 07:59 PM
The Final Cut Wrote:I wasnt saying the 85% of Americans will forget their kids in cars i was just saying about 85% of Americans are unresponsible. Just look at all the 13 year olds having sex. All the 12 year olds and older doing drugs. And look at some of the parents forgeting their kids in cars. Look at all the gangs and shootings. Just look at our f*cking divorce rates. And your calling me gullible. Tell me please, how were any of my comments being gullible? hmmm...85% are irresponsible? Oh, I don't know, I suppose that might be about right. I know I exceed the speed limit every day, so that might brand me for life, and I've run two or three red lights in my lifetime (nothing bad happened, though it scared all Hell out of me).
Gullible - well, if you think Australia is better than the U.S. for this type of thing, and you want to go - then GO. But I'm sure that if you moved out of Detroit, you'd see that 85% of the U.S. is plenty responsible and healthy, probably right on-par with what you'd like to see. Big cities tend to be magnets for people, and you end up with more distractions and irresponsible behavior per square mile. It's not so bad in America, but if you're ashamed of the place, then go. I was particularly smitten with Japan. I'd love to go to Australia. I may enjoy living anywhere I go (though there are several places I would like to avoid). But if I'm going to be judgmental of people HERE, might I tend to do that anywhere else I go? And if I go elsewhere without humility, might that be pretty arrogant of me? And wouldn't it be pretty obvious to those who I speak with? Yeah.
Promise me this: You won't go off being like the Dixie Chicks... Don't go somewhere saying how you hate America because the people are all losers. Just go and see all the neat things there are (wherever you go), soak it up, enjoy it and be happy. Then come home. Go to Mexico sometime.
- Comfortably9Numb - 06-29-2006 08:06 PM
to put it simple....people like that should not have kids....if your not gonna care for it...then you shouldn't have one....are they nice to have? of course!! but there a responicably involved in it....if you can't fullful it...then i think you should have one
- artie_fufkin - 06-29-2006 08:09 PM
DeltaOfVenus Wrote:Yeah, artie, it could have been a tragic accident. Like I said, I would need to know more about this person's life. It's just hard for me to imagine, but I guess stuff like this happens. I have read stories down here where parents have accidently ran over their own tots right in their driveway! But being an anal, obsessive person, I can't see that happening to me! And I hope I never eat these words such as often happens in life. :(Yup, DoV, there are a lot of people who swear up and down that they'll never get divorced... Then a few years roll by, and there they are.
There are a lot of people who probably saw that news article and thought, "Hangin's too GOOD!" But if they were the ones who had just screwed up, they'd sure feel different. I haven't done something like that - but I will tell ya... I think there's a karma thing for those who swear up and down they never would. I PRAY I never will, but I can't SWEAR I'm going to be perfect 100% of the time. Maybe the thought of the horror of how that would be will keep me on my toes, which seems much healthier than holding raging judgement that I can't be sure I would live up to 100% of the time.
Odds are this lady will never forgive herself. Grieving the loss of a child is a lifelong oddyssey. But if it was your action that caused it, it would be absolutely unimaginable.
- SBCrazyDiamond - 06-29-2006 08:40 PM
hmm that is a bit messed up..she should be charged
- The Final Cut - 06-29-2006 09:27 PM
artie_fufkin Wrote:It's not that i dont like America i just dont like the life style and some of the people. I hate to rush rush rush all the time and id like to relax. The reason i want to move to australia (whene i have enough money) is because i want to live by the mountains, the forest, the lakes, and the desert all within a short distance of eachother. It's just so beautiful... I dont know how anyone would want to live in a subdivision or detroit when you could live in a great place like that.The Final Cut Wrote:I wasnt saying the 85% of Americans will forget their kids in cars i was just saying about 85% of Americans are unresponsible. Just look at all the 13 year olds having sex. All the 12 year olds and older doing drugs. And look at some of the parents forgeting their kids in cars. Look at all the gangs and shootings. Just look at our f*cking divorce rates. And your calling me gullible. Tell me please, how were any of my comments being gullible? hmmm...85% are irresponsible? Oh, I don't know, I suppose that might be about right. I know I exceed the speed limit every day, so that might brand me for life, and I've run two or three red lights in my lifetime (nothing bad happened, though it scared all Hell out of me).
Gullible - well, if you think Australia is better than the U.S. for this type of thing, and you want to go - then GO. But I'm sure that if you moved out of Detroit, you'd see that 85% of the U.S. is plenty responsible and healthy, probably right on-par with what you'd like to see. Big cities tend to be magnets for people, and you end up with more distractions and irresponsible behavior per square mile. It's not so bad in America, but if you're ashamed of the place, then go. I was particularly smitten with Japan. I'd love to go to Australia. I may enjoy living anywhere I go (though there are several places I would like to avoid). But if I'm going to be judgmental of people HERE, might I tend to do that anywhere else I go? And if I go elsewhere without humility, might that be pretty arrogant of me? And wouldn't it be pretty obvious to those who I speak with? Yeah.
Promise me this: You won't go off being like the Dixie Chicks... Don't go somewhere saying how you hate America because the people are all losers. Just go and see all the neat things there are (wherever you go), soak it up, enjoy it and be happy. Then come home. Go to Mexico sometime.
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- Funky Dung - 06-30-2006 06:52 AM
How the **** do you leave your baby in the car? How do you f**king forget to drop her off? Was she in another dimension? There are so many stupid f**king assholes in this world I can't stand it.
- SBCrazyDiamond - 06-30-2006 07:53 AM
Funky Dung Wrote:How the **** do you leave your baby in the car? How do you f**king forget to drop her off? Was she in another dimension? There are so many stupid f**king assholes in this world I can't stand it.i second that
- floydian72 - 06-30-2006 07:55 AM
Funky Dung Wrote:How the **** do you leave your baby in the car? How do you f**king forget to drop her off? Was she in another dimension? There are so many stupid f**king assholes in this world I can't stand it.wouldnt doubt drugs/alcohol had something to do with it
- Jumpy - 06-30-2006 08:11 AM
floydian72 Wrote:Or maybe a fight with the husband? Or maybe stressed about working for a difficult employer? Or maybe too much going on because she was like many Americans trying to juggle two jobs? Or three? Maybe all of the above on what was already a horrifyingly bad day or week?Funky Dung Wrote:How the **** do you leave your baby in the car? How do you f**king forget to drop her off? Was she in another dimension? There are so many stupid f**king assholes in this world I can't stand it.wouldnt doubt drugs/alcohol had something to do with it
Or maybe she was simply struggling with mental health issues?
Oh, never mind. It's so much easier to say she was on drugs. ???
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- The Final Cut - 06-30-2006 09:08 AM
SBCrazyDiamond Wrote:I third that.Funky Dung Wrote:How the **** do you leave your baby in the car? How do you f**king forget to drop her off? Was she in another dimension? There are so many stupid f**king assholes in this world I can't stand it.i second that
- Jumpy - 06-30-2006 09:23 AM
The Final Cut Wrote:I agree, there are many stupid f**king assholes in this world. True... oh, so true... more than you realize.SBCrazyDiamond Wrote:I third that.Funky Dung Wrote:How the **** do you leave your baby in the car? How do you f**king forget to drop her off? Was she in another dimension? There are so many stupid f**king assholes in this world I can't stand it.i second that
Time to take a break from this site, even if just for a couple of days... there's too much hypocritical "peace and love and compassion" in one thread, and outright witchunt style rushes to judgement in another.
The ugliness is rather sickening.
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- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 06-30-2006 11:38 AM
Jumpy Wrote:I'm sorry, but whether or not she has more than one job, or a fight with the husband, or anything else in her life, they are not as important as her baby nor should they have been enough to distract her to the point of forgetting her baby in the car. And if she has mental health issues serious enough to lead to this, how is it she has a job and can drive a car?floydian72 Wrote:Or maybe a fight with the husband? Or maybe stressed about working for a difficult employer? Or maybe too much going on because she was like many Americans trying to juggle two jobs? Or three? Maybe all of the above on what was already a horrifyingly bad day or week?Funky Dung Wrote:How the **** do you leave your baby in the car? How do you f**king forget to drop her off? Was she in another dimension? There are so many stupid f**king assholes in this world I can't stand it.wouldnt doubt drugs/alcohol had something to do with it
Or maybe she was simply struggling with mental health issues?
Oh, never mind. It's so much easier to say she was on drugs. ???
It's hardly a rush to judgment to say that she was irresponsible in doing what she did; there is a dead child now, and whether or not she grieves over this forever, that does not change that fact nor the fact that she is at fault. And saying so, I believe, does not indicate a lack of compassion.
- floydianyid - 06-30-2006 11:53 AM
all in all we don't know **** about what happened here apart from the story printed, the mother must be feeling the worst pain ever or she is an irresponsible cunt, we don't really know so why so judgemental? it sounds tragic to me and a very sad story.
- The Final Cut - 06-30-2006 01:22 PM
floydianyid Wrote:so why so judgemental?Cause another a f*cking babys dead, and even if she feels guilty it doesnt make it ok for what she did.
- floydianyid - 06-30-2006 02:25 PM
The Final Cut Wrote:yeah i agree with you but she's gonna live the rest of her life in pure guilt in prison or not, it is shocking neglect though i have to say, but we need to know a little more, maybe there were other issues.floydianyid Wrote:so why so judgemental?Cause another a f*cking babys dead, and even if she feels guilty it doesnt make it ok for what she did.
- artie_fufkin - 07-01-2006 03:23 PM
floydianyid Wrote:SO true, and while it's hard to say WHAT matters or to decide if it was a valid reason, the bottom line IS and will FOREVER remain a child died from a mistake. I stated my thoughts, I know it's taken me years to come around to that line of thinking, but that's where I am. I used to be VERY judgmental of the people who did it (and those who left pets in their cars), but am a lot less judgmental these days. I invite all of you who think she needs to be tortured to death or jailed or whatever - to pause and reflect. Some of the best people we know screw up once in a while, and they'll need to know that there's someone in the world who will forgive them. So, I'm not really asking anyone to forgive THIS LADY, but just do a reality check and make sure you have the capacity to a) forgive someone you know, and b) not judge someone you don't know.The Final Cut Wrote:yeah i agree with you but she's gonna live the rest of her life in pure guilt in prison or not, it is shocking neglect though i have to say, but we need to know a little more, maybe there were other issues.floydianyid Wrote:so why so judgemental?Cause another a f*cking babys dead, and even if she feels guilty it doesnt make it ok for what she did.
I recall reading:
The Final Cut Wrote:People this stupid shouldnt be allowed to have babys...
Well, she doesn't now. I am pretty confident in saying that any parent would wish s/he didn't have a child instead of this happening.
Again, I am not going to shout anyone down, and appreciate no backlash - but this is one messed up deal that our curious attention can make us better people if we'll just be cool-headed and open-minded.
Cool?
- rolanddoe - 07-01-2006 06:04 PM
You know A_F's right for once. :D I could take tolerance a step further and hope that this woman is not consumed by guilt for the rest of her life. Perhaps she'll become a great mom and raise some really exceptional human beings. Also, not that we really need many more mandated safety devices, but in an age where garage door openers are designed to not crush kids and pets perhaps this one is not so superfluous. How about an interior motion sensor that sets off an alarm when the temperature reaches a lethal level? (I assume it could be set to overlook trapped flies.) It could prevent tragedies like this and also bust those willing to risk the safety of the defenseless for "just a few minutes" as well. We do as much to discourage car theft.
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- artie_fufkin - 07-02-2006 05:09 PM
rolanddoe Wrote:You know A_F's right for once. :D I could take tolerance a step further and hope that this woman is not consumed by guilt for the rest of her life. Perhaps she'll become a great mom and raise some really exceptional human beings. Also, not that we really need many more mandated safety devices, but in an age where garage door openers are designed to not crush kids and pets perhaps this one is not so superfluous. How about an interior motion sensor that sets off an alarm when the temperature reaches a lethal level? (I assume it could be set to overlook trapped flies.) It could prevent tragedies like this and also bust those willing to risk the safety of the defenseless for "just a few minutes" as well. We do as much to discourage car theft.Holy, HELL, you're a frickin' GENIUS! While we're all so distraught and pointing fingers at those who are pointing fingers, you come up with a stroke of GENIUS! From the mouths of babes...
Well, not saying you're a babe or anything...
Anyhow, it would be an easy-to-add motion detector module to add to any decent car alarm, since they use electrical current sensing for some things, microphones for glass-breakage sensing, various switch sensing for door and trunk (even hood) sensing, and motion detectors for OUTSIDE the vehicles on some (like those that said, "Stand back from the car, the car is ARMED!") - why not do it on all cars so they'll detect motion for pets and kids? Mandatory on all vehicles, put the motion and sound detector into the dome light assembly.
OK, so you wouldn't be able to make out in a car anymore... But it would be a great idea!
And to think... I was RIGHT for ONCE! :)
- rolanddoe - 07-03-2006 04:35 AM
I don't think it's genius, artie. Perhaps it's environmental influence. I grew up in the same town as Ralph Nader. (I used to be proud of that.)
- artie_fufkin - 07-03-2006 06:26 AM
rolanddoe Wrote:I don't think it's genius, artie. Perhaps it's environmental influence. I grew up in the same town as Ralph Nader. (I used to be proud of that.)Well, it's OK, RD. I suppose that if the auto makers are required to install air bags in cars because so many people refuse to wear seat belts (and drive up the cost of cars for everyone), adding a motion detector inside the car isn't an unreasonable thing to do. If some kids and smaller adults can die (one little girl had her head REMOVED by an airbag deployment) from airbags - and the air bags are still viewed as acceptable - then if the motion detector isn't PERFECT and a child dies, it should still be acceptable... right?
Have you been to the Ralph Nader Boutique and Haberdashery? Maybe get a haircut at NaderCuts? Ha, just kidding. I'd think that he'd be smart enough to have learned that for people to take his presentations seriously, he'd need to recognize that his own personal appearance would be part of the presentation. Poor fella... Never has figured it out. And those who DO take him at 100% seem to suffer many of the same "Appearance Detracting Disorders." I can't really watch him long enough to take him seriously, and (any more) he seems to only focus on a few things, ignoring the rest. I guess he's been that way all along. "Unsafe at any Speed" should be a hint of that - and sure, the Corvair was really unsafe - but ALL cars in the '60s were unsafe. It's almost like he has had an axe to grind, picked ONE THING that would tap into more people, then would get 20% of the population screaming for him.
He's not ALL bad, but he sure is hard for me to take seriously.
RE: - Idoownu - 07-05-2009 01:29 PM
The Final Cut Wrote:I wasnt saying the 85% of Americans will forget their kids in cars i was just saying about 85% of Americans are unresponsible. Just look at all the 13 year olds having sex. All the 12 year olds and older doing drugs. And look at some of the parents forgeting their kids in cars. Look at all the gangs and shootings. Just look at our f*cking divorce rates. And your calling me gullible. Tell me please, how were any of my comments being gullible? hmmm...
You take the news as your view at humanity. THIS is why I hate the news!!! It gives misleading directions on EVERYTHING!!! The only thing it shows is bad news and the worst possible happening in the whole country... I mean come on!!! 146,000 towns...and only one accident? thats not 85%...thats well below 0.01%
Move to Australia, whatever, deal with the even worse people...
Oh wow... I got mad
(coming from someone with spongebob as their avatar)
RE: Baby dies after being left alone in car. - This really pisses me off. - bklynFLOYDgirl - 07-05-2009 02:40 PM
She needs mental help... NOW.. something is wrong up there...