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- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2006 09:02 PM
I used to love--no, adore--them. But really, a bunch of stale bluesmen who have no real passion for the craft they do, coked up, flamboyant, no sense of poignancy, when they did attempt something artful it came off as slobbenly and stupid ("Stairway To Heaven"). If I hear one more person compare Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin or The Who and Led Zeppelin, I swear to Mein Gott In Himmell, I shall murder you all.
Now, all you Zeppelin-haters, put the bass up on your CD and if you're feeling punk, stand on your roof in a crowd of Robert Plant-loving poseurs, and crank up "I Hate Led Zeppelin" by Screeching Weasel.
- FelicityKendall'sUnderwear - 12-17-2006 09:07 PM
You know, I've got to agree with you. I never got the whole Led Zeppelin phenomenon. It always annoyed me that they seemed more into trying to bang groupies, than focusing on the music. It was all about how tight Robert Plant's trousers were. :laugh:
- Sadie - 12-17-2006 09:31 PM
Somebody doesn't know their rock history.
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- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2006 09:32 PM
How so? I didn't even make any historical statements, just stated an opinion.
- Sadie - 12-17-2006 09:37 PM
"a bunch of stale bluesmen who have no real passion for the craft they do, coked up, flamboyant, no sense of poignancy, when they did attempt something artful it came off as slobbenly and stupid ("Stairway To Heaven")."
I think that's misguided. I think if you knew better, you wouldn't think that. That's all. But everyone's entitled to their opinion! BTW, their influence on that genre alone is profound and continues to this day, but that's another story.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2006 09:38 PM
I don't deny their influence. A lot of great bands were bred from them, but the same could be said of The Sex Pistols. Doesn't make them any less terrible.
I wouldn't hate them so much if I didn't used to love them, I think.
- Sadie - 12-17-2006 09:43 PM
The Sex Pistols maybe influenced about 1/12 of the bands that Zeppelin influenced. Plus, you cannot compare the level of musicianship.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2006 09:47 PM
The Pistols had passion, but no talent. Zeppelin had talent, but no passion.
- Sadie - 12-17-2006 09:54 PM
I don't get where you're coming from with that. I don't know how you can listen to Bonham's drumming and not hear the passion. BTW, the Sex Pistol's were basically a prefabricated band. They didn't get into it because of passion. Not originally anyway. They were four assholes that didn't give a ****. It worked in their favor.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2006 09:57 PM
Listen, I hate the Pistols. I really do. I also hate Zeppelin. They may not have been prefabricated, but it doesn't get much more bland (to me, at least) then a copy of Led Zeppelin II.
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-17-2006 09:59 PM
Overrated cocks, yes, but they do have their fair share of good material and I can enjoy them from time to time.
- Three Different Ones - 12-17-2006 10:03 PM
They are overrated, but I do enjoy then from time to time, like Aaron said. I understand their significance, but at the same time can say the Who are better in almost, if not every way
- AndersonCouncill - 12-17-2006 10:04 PM
Three Different Ones Wrote:They are overrated, but I do enjoy then from time to time, like Aaron said. I understand their significance, but at the same time can say the Who are better in almost, if not every wayEvery way!
- Sadie - 12-17-2006 10:10 PM
Three Different Ones Wrote:They are overrated, but I do enjoy then from time to time, like Aaron said. I understand their significance, but at the same time can say the Who are better in almost, if not every wayI won't argue with that cuz I love the Who, but really I think it's comparing apples and oranges. Plus I think calling a band overrated has become so overrated. You can call any of those super groups overrated. It means nothing. I think Zeppelin has earned the respect they get.
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-17-2006 10:10 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:I'd have to agree.Three Different Ones Wrote:They are overrated, but I do enjoy then from time to time, like Aaron said. I understand their significance, but at the same time can say the Who are better in almost, if not every wayEvery way!
My only real problem with Zep is the lyrics. They mean nothing to me. It's all "BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY!" It gets annoying after a while.
- Three Different Ones - 12-17-2006 10:15 PM
I bet they say baby at least 100 times if you counted it from every song.
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-17-2006 10:17 PM
Way more if you were counting live albums.
- Three Different Ones - 12-17-2006 10:18 PM
But who would bother counting, really?
- IbanezIsTheColour - 12-18-2006 12:27 AM
I think Zeppelin's music is good, but overplayed and gets old after a while. They don't suck or anything though.
- sjmcd - 12-18-2006 02:28 AM
I don't think they're overrated. While they do use simple lyrics and chords, rarely deviating from a standard 12-bar blues progression, they have a way of making those simple chords sound terrific (e.g. You Shook Me, The Lemon Song). They're not as good as Floyd, but they're damn close.
- floydianyid - 12-18-2006 05:55 AM
Simply put, led zeppelin are ROCK and FANTASTIC
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 12-18-2006 07:17 AM
I don't understand how you (AC) could say they have no passion. Have you ever seen footage of a live Led Zeppelin performance? I would assume, since you once liked them, you have. Passion coming out all over the place.
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- Buckethead - 12-18-2006 07:23 AM
i think zeppelin are one hell of a band.. but yes, they are overrated. but the word overrated is overused :;):
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 08:00 AM
carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:I don't understand how you (AC) could say they have no passion. Have you ever seen footage of a live Led Zeppelin performance? I would assume, since you once liked them, you have. Passion coming out all over the place.I just don't like them anymore. I don't know why. I just don't.
- azza200 - 12-18-2006 10:01 AM
im the same i got very into then when the live Led Zeppelin dvd and album came out in 2003 but now i cant listen to them anymore very overrated IMO a few good songs but half of their riffs etc are nicked from other bands
- Jumpy - 12-18-2006 10:09 AM
FelicityKendall'sUnderwear Wrote:It always annoyed me that they seemed more into trying to bang groupies, than focusing on the music. It was all about how tight Robert Plant's trousers were. :laugh:I love Led Zep, but I think you're all entitled to your opinions.
I don't think anything BUT passion comes from Page's guitar. How can one play like that without passion? And "trying to bang groupies" is kinda what being a rock star was all about.
- Philintheflesh - 12-18-2006 11:10 AM
carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:I don't understand how you (AC) could say they have no passion. Have you ever seen footage of a live Led Zeppelin performance? I would assume, since you once liked them, you have. Passion coming out all over the place.Here, here.
"The Song Remains The Same" is passion-less and Pulse is full of passion? ??? ....well people who think that had better look the word up in the dictionary.
Mind you, I don`t play them too much nowadays...still think they`re great...I just over-played them in my youth.
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- Grguitarfreek100 - 12-18-2006 11:43 AM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:I used to love--no, adore--them. But really, a bunch of stale bluesmen who have no real passion for the craft they do, coked up, flamboyant, no sense of poignancy, when they did attempt something artful it came off as slobbenly and stupid ("Stairway To Heaven"). If I hear one more person compare Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin or The Who and Led Zeppelin, I swear to Mein Gott In Himmell, I shall murder you all.anderson, you are an idiot. Led zeppelin was an extremely talented group, that especially showed off their versatility on the more acoustic songs like "The rain song" and "The battle of evermore". The are one of the most versitile bands ever, even moreso than pink floyd. they could go from metal, to hard rock, to acoustic, and all still contain their signature sound. the lyrics for the most part were crap when jimmy wrote them, but they were all outstanding musicians
Now, all you Zeppelin-haters, put the bass up on your CD and if you're feeling punk, stand on your roof in a crowd of Robert Plant-loving poseurs, and crank up "I Hate Led Zeppelin" by Screeching Weasel.
- Three Different Ones - 12-18-2006 11:46 AM
Grguitarfreek100 Wrote:Let's refrain from the name-calling please. I think you can get your point across without unnecessary name-callingAndersonCouncill Wrote:I used to love--no, adore--them. But really, a bunch of stale bluesmen who have no real passion for the craft they do, coked up, flamboyant, no sense of poignancy, when they did attempt something artful it came off as slobbenly and stupid ("Stairway To Heaven"). If I hear one more person compare Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin or The Who and Led Zeppelin, I swear to Mein Gott In Himmell, I shall murder you all.anderson, you are an idiot. Led zeppelin was an extremely talented group, that especially showed off their versatility on the more acoustic songs like "The rain song" and "The battle of evermore". The are one of the most versitile bands ever, even moreso than pink floyd. they could go from metal, to hard rock, to acoustic, and all still contain their signature sound. the lyrics for the most part were crap when jimmy wrote them, but they were all outstanding musicians
Now, all you Zeppelin-haters, put the bass up on your CD and if you're feeling punk, stand on your roof in a crowd of Robert Plant-loving poseurs, and crank up "I Hate Led Zeppelin" by Screeching Weasel.
- Grguitarfreek100 - 12-18-2006 12:01 PM
sorry, it just seemed blasphemous to me
changing
anderson, it is an idiotic statment to say that, and i know you arent an idiot so why did you state it?
- cevor - 12-18-2006 12:04 PM
Three Different Ones Wrote:thanks TDO...name calling and swearing are against the rules of posting, besides being just plain rude...please, please, please refrain from these childish practices...everyone has an opinion and they're entitled to it...Grguitarfreek100 Wrote:Let's refrain from the name-calling please. I think you can get your point across without unnecessary name-callingAndersonCouncill Wrote:I used to love--no, adore--them. But really, a bunch of stale bluesmen who have no real passion for the craft they do, coked up, flamboyant, no sense of poignancy, when they did attempt something artful it came off as slobbenly and stupid ("Stairway To Heaven"). If I hear one more person compare Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin or The Who and Led Zeppelin, I swear to Mein Gott In Himmell, I shall murder you all.anderson, you are an idiot. Led zeppelin was an extremely talented group, that especially showed off their versatility on the more acoustic songs like "The rain song" and "The battle of evermore". The are one of the most versitile bands ever, even moreso than pink floyd. they could go from metal, to hard rock, to acoustic, and all still contain their signature sound. the lyrics for the most part were crap when jimmy wrote them, but they were all outstanding musicians
Now, all you Zeppelin-haters, put the bass up on your CD and if you're feeling punk, stand on your roof in a crowd of Robert Plant-loving poseurs, and crank up "I Hate Led Zeppelin" by Screeching Weasel.
in this case...don't compare or judge apples and oranges as stated before..this is a interesting topic, let's discuss it politely..I personally think AC"s lost his mind this time, but, it's his opinion and I respect that...I wish he could've thought of a better title for the thread though...
remember, it's possible to edit your own posts ???
- Grguitarfreek100 - 12-18-2006 12:05 PM
i rephrased it...
i am ashamed of myself..... :sleepy: :(
- cevor - 12-18-2006 12:06 PM
Grguitarfreek100 Wrote:i rephrased it...thank you for that....pfo...feel the love! good job by you!
i am ashamed of myself..... :sleepy: :(
- Sadie - 12-18-2006 12:17 PM
Philintheflesh Wrote:I did the same thing. I only just recently was able to listen to them again without cringing. It seems like that happens a lot with this band. The overplaying thing. Would people react like that if the music had no passion? And just because someone gets sick of them how are they suddenly overrated. That's what I'd like to know. Overrated how? No one's stated why they think they are overrated. They just throw the word out like they have something to base it on. So back it up now. It would be interesting to see if there's an actual point to be made.carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:I don't understand how you (AC) could say they have no passion. Have you ever seen footage of a live Led Zeppelin performance? I would assume, since you once liked them, you have. Passion coming out all over the place.Here, here.
"The Song Remains The Same" is passion-less and Pulse is full of passion? ??? ....well people who think that had better look the word up in the dictionary.
Mind you, I don`t play them too much nowadays...still think they`re great...I just over-played them in my youth.
- drk229 - 12-18-2006 12:21 PM
mhm Never got into them, I probably will at some point but not until I have every single floyd song in my library, and probably after that too :p
- Three Different Ones - 12-18-2006 12:26 PM
Sadie Wrote:The word overrated is based on opinion, it's not like a fact. If you think something gets more praise than it's worth, you'd say it's overrated. I've used the term regarding The Dark Side of the Moon and I've explained why. I just think they get a little more credit than they deserve given what they were and what they didPhilintheflesh Wrote:I did the same thing. I only just recently was able to listen to them again without cringing. It seems like that happens a lot with this band. The overplaying thing. Would people react like that if the music had no passion? And just because someone gets sick of them how are they suddenly overrated. That's what I'd like to know. Overrated how? No one's stated why they think they are overrated. They just throw the word out like they have something to base it on. So back it up now. It would be interesting to see if there's an actual point to be made.carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:I don't understand how you (AC) could say they have no passion. Have you ever seen footage of a live Led Zeppelin performance? I would assume, since you once liked them, you have. Passion coming out all over the place.Here, here.
"The Song Remains The Same" is passion-less and Pulse is full of passion? ??? ....well people who think that had better look the word up in the dictionary.
Mind you, I don`t play them too much nowadays...still think they`re great...I just over-played them in my youth.
- W1P - 12-18-2006 03:02 PM
The two disc Led Zeppelin DVD set is incredible -- much better than the stuff on Song Remains the Same. And "In the Light" is an epic -- worthy of Floydian comparisons!
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- azza200 - 12-18-2006 03:08 PM
Disc 1 of the Led Zeppelin live dvd is good but i a tad boring IMO Disc 2 is fricking awsome Knebworth the best footage on the whole disc.
Achilles last stand
In The Evening
Kashmir
Whole Lotta Love
are brilliant performances also the Earls court footage is quite good the aucostic songs are nice and Trampled Underfoot is brillaint
Misty Mountain Hop is cool too.
- Funky Dung - 12-18-2006 06:18 PM
I personally feel that many LZ songs have been overplayed by radio and I do think that the band is given too much praise to an extent. LZ III is a really great album, that one is my 2nd favorite after LZ II. III is so different from their other albums, it's much more acoustic. LZ IV is probably one of the most OVERrated albums of all time. Every song on the album, save TBOE & Four Sticks have been massively overplayed by radio. Stairway To Heaven isn't even that great of a song. Sure they had a lot of fantastic songs but a lot of the songs are beginning to sound similar to me.
Conclusion (all my opinion): LZ were a great band, although very overrated at times. They had a lot of great songs and they had a lot of songs that were overplayed. Their influence cannot be denied though. I rarely listen to any of their full albums anymore, save LZ I through LZ III. Otherwise, I'm taking a long break from hearing their music.
- The Great Pig in the Sky - 12-18-2006 06:20 PM
This thread rules. Finally somebody is ballsy enough to just say it. Plant is easily the most overrated vocalist...ever. He gets on my nerves. Everybody thinks they're so insanely talented. Bonham was awesome, I'll give you that. The only drummers better than him in my book are Dale Crover and Tim Alexander.
I like The Jesus Lizard.
- etphonehomeyo - 12-18-2006 06:46 PM
if anything, i think they are underrated. i know that's sounds weird, but it's true. people in general seem to see them as popular, but don't hold them in high artistic esteem. they were more than most people seem to be able to understand.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 06:49 PM
I admit in their later days they tried some artistic growth, but they really failed, and in their early days they could drop a nice bomb on an audience. But, frankly, they come off as sterile and boring to me.
- Morglor9 - 12-18-2006 07:00 PM
The Great Pig in the Sky Wrote:This thread rules. Finally somebody is ballsy enough to just say it. Plant is easily the most overrated vocalist...ever. He gets on my nerves.I can be Robert Plant too!
Oh, oh oh oh oh ohhh...
Ooo ya, ooo yeah.
And, done. Seriously, he does that far too much. I own one Zeppelin album, Houses of the Holy, and I won't bother getting more. I-IV are far too overplayed and overhyped for me to bother, not to mention that what I've heard of it is all too much of the same "Sex, JRR Tolkien, and Rock and Roll". I'd rather just... not waste my money? In my opinion, they're the kind of band where you can buy the best of CD and not bother getting more, because it's all there (if you want it. I don't.).
- Three Different Ones - 12-18-2006 07:16 PM
you forgot a
BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY OOOH (for like 3 minutes)
- viewaskew - 12-18-2006 07:17 PM
I dont understand how You can say "Led Zeppelin are a bunch of overrated c**ks", if anything your statment is overrated. Dude if anything Punk music is overated why it's just a bunch of fool's who only know how to scream real angry, and play songs that have no depth to them.(When talking about how you judge Led Zeppelin) I really think that its quite childish to call them a bunch of c***s, I dont post about how much I hate today's music and punk music(and many other bad forms of music I dont like, and would like to call c****'s).
There music is great man, to say that LZ IV,I,III, II, Houses of the Holy, and Phyiscal Grafftti are stale is like Me saying The Who's album's have no concept. They rock, Man!
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 07:19 PM
viewaskew Wrote:I dont understand how You can say "Led Zeppelin are a bunch of overrated c**ks", if anything your statment is overrated. Dude if anything Punk music is overated why it's just a bunch of fool's who only know how to scream real angry, and play songs that have no depth to them.Ever hear of Bad Religion? The Dead Kennedys? Minor Threat? Husker Du? You know nothing about punk, do you? You're thinking of modern, pop-punk ********.
- viewaskew - 12-18-2006 07:34 PM
I've heard The Dead Kennedy's, and Bad Religion a few years ago, and I dont rememeber being very moved by it. (Also I wasnt trying to attack punk music, I just just trying to make a point about Led Zeppelin.)
Punk Music isnt for Me though, The Clash are kinda good but that's as far as it goes.
- ComfortablyNumb212 - 12-18-2006 07:38 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:Ever hear of Bad Religion?I've only heard that one song, Infected? I think. Any recommendations AC?
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 07:39 PM
Not moved by The Dead Kennedys? Why, why.... HOW?!
Let's not get into it here, that's besides the point. Jello Biafra > Robert Plant. That's it. I refuse to debate this with anyone. I'm right, all who think otherwise are wrong. That's it. Jello Biafra eats Robert Plant alive.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 07:40 PM
ComfortablyNumb212 Wrote:Anything from their debute to Recipe For Hate.AndersonCouncill Wrote:Ever hear of Bad Religion?I've only heard that one song, Infected? I think. Any recommendations AC?
The album Journey Into The Unknown, out of print, is progressive rock, not punk at all. Not represenitive of their sound, but probably the one you'd like most.
- ComfortablyNumb212 - 12-18-2006 07:41 PM
And...which is a good punk starter? Because as of now, I have very little respect for punk, other than The Ramones, who, i'm sure, you arent fond of. I need more. And I despise The Sex Pistols.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 07:48 PM
ComfortablyNumb212 Wrote:And...which is a good punk starter? Because as of now, I have very little respect for punk, other than The Ramones, who, i'm sure, you arent fond of. I need more. And I despise The Sex Pistols.The Sex Pistols suck. They weren't political at all, I hate when people claim they were revolutionaries... In their short career they claimed they were Communists, Anarchists, Nihilists, and Nazis. Which is it?
Anything by The Dead Kennedys is good, if you're into politics. Keep away from GG Allin. He's disgusting. If you're into more eclectic, expierimental music try Crass or late-period The Clash. If you want something really passionate and hardcore, check out Group Sex by The Circle Jerks or Damaged by Black Flag.
This is off topic, if you have YIM Comfy, I'd be happy to continue this conversation. Back on track;
Led Zeppelin aren't a very good band at all.
- ComfortablyNumb212 - 12-18-2006 07:52 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:I have YIM but don't have a name.ComfortablyNumb212 Wrote:And...which is a good punk starter? Because as of now, I have very little respect for punk, other than The Ramones, who, i'm sure, you arent fond of. I need more. And I despise The Sex Pistols.The Sex Pistols suck. They weren't political at all, I hate when people claim they were revolutionaries... In their short career they claimed they were Communists, Anarchists, Nihilists, and Nazis. Which is it?
Anything by The Dead Kennedys is good, if you're into politics. Keep away from GG Allin. He's disgusting. If you're into more eclectic, expierimental music try Crass or late-period The Clash. If you want something really passionate and hardcore, check out Group Sex by The Circle Jerks or Damaged by Black Flag.
This is off topic, if you have YIM Comfy, I'd be happy to continue this conversation. Back on track;
Led Zeppelin aren't a very good band at all.
I'll make one.
I love LZ.
- Three Different Ones - 12-18-2006 08:01 PM
I have YIM I don't use it much, but I'm on now talking to Clint (CN212)
- Sadie - 12-18-2006 09:55 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:That was their whole point! They didn't want to fall into a category. They hated it when punk became a fashion. That's when it became anti-punk. And I really don't know how you can say they weren't political. I mean, maybe it doesn't mean much to most Americans because they were mostly attacking the British way of life, but they were definitely political. Again, you are oversimplifying things. They were pioneers regardless of how they started. They most likely inspired many of the bands you so love today. But whatever.ComfortablyNumb212 Wrote:And...which is a good punk starter? Because as of now, I have very little respect for punk, other than The Ramones, who, i'm sure, you arent fond of. I need more. And I despise The Sex Pistols.The Sex Pistols suck. They weren't political at all, I hate when people claim they were revolutionaries... In their short career they claimed they were Communists, Anarchists, Nihilists, and Nazis. Which is it?
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 10:00 PM
Sadie Wrote:I stated that earlier, remember?AndersonCouncill Wrote:That was their whole point! They didn't want to fall into a category. They hated it when punk became a fashion. That's when it became anti-punk. And I really don't know how you can say they weren't political. I mean, maybe it doesn't mean much to most Americans because they were mostly attacking the British way of life, but they were definitely political. Again, you are oversimplifying things. They were pioneers regardless of how they started. They most likely inspired many of the bands you so love today. But whatever.ComfortablyNumb212 Wrote:And...which is a good punk starter? Because as of now, I have very little respect for punk, other than The Ramones, who, i'm sure, you arent fond of. I need more. And I despise The Sex Pistols.The Sex Pistols suck. They weren't political at all, I hate when people claim they were revolutionaries... In their short career they claimed they were Communists, Anarchists, Nihilists, and Nazis. Which is it?
Yes, they were political but here's the thing... Would they have been so political if their opinions weren't so frowned upon? No. The Sex Pistols, like Zeppelin, were heavily influential. That doesn't mean they were good.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-18-2006 10:02 PM
Sadie Wrote:That was their whole point! They didn't want to fall into a category.No, I'm pretty sure they just had no opinions on anything and just wanted to scare as many as possible. Because THAT was the whole point. The Pistols layed the groundwork, but it was the second wave of punk bands that really had a point.
- Sadie - 12-18-2006 10:20 PM
Well, they've gone on and on about how much it pissed them off when people started to define punk and when they tried to lump them into one big group. When all of a sudden people were all wearing the 'punk uniform' and thought that it made them different. Conformity wasn't their thing. I don't know about being scary as being the point. They were pissed off youth. They came from poverty. They wanted to piss off the establishment and try to speak out about what was wrong. Those scary outfits they wore were because that's all they had. The saftey pins were a necessity, not a fashion statement. Anyway, Rotten wrote some good lyrics. For punk anyway.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 08:03 AM
I really like Holidays In The Sun. That's about it. I'm not talking about the safety pins, I'm talking about the penchant for talking about Anarchy, Communism, and Nazism all at once. That's not political, that's contradictory.
Besides that Anarchy, the form they seemed most serious about, is really not right.
- Wings on the Pig - 12-19-2006 08:34 AM
I can respect your opinion when you say that Led Zeppelin are overrated as, although I don't think they are, everyone has an opinion that they are entitled to and I completely respect those extremely important human rights. However, I don't think you can call people c**ks when you don't even know the people personally and have never met them. Therefore, I find that I cannot agree with your opinion.
I personally love Led Zeppelin and, although they do use many of the chord progressions lots of times in different songs, they, as someone pointed out earlier, having a way of making simple chords sound great when put together. Many songs can be extremely simple but sweet and, as I believe and many others do, this is what made The Dark Side of the Moon so good, as Pink Floyd didn't try to add nice little drum frills, or over the top basslines, but instead strived for success by making the songs simple.
Due to all of the facts involved, I can see why you have sdaid Led Zeppelin overrated and, as I said before, I can completely respect what you have said as you have justified it in an understandable and personal way. However, to call four people with incredible musical talent, which nobody can deny, c**ks, is where your argument takes a turn for the worse, as I don't think that anyone should make those kind of generalisations without a clear and concise explanation as to why you have said something. You must also use facts and I personally feel that there are no clear-cut facts to determine that 'Led Zeppelin are a bunch of c**ks', as you so kindly put it.
- W1P - 12-19-2006 11:28 AM
And if you feel, that you can't go on, and your will is sinking lower . . . .
- ImTheFloor - 12-19-2006 12:45 PM
AC, I love you almost as much as I love Hunter S. Thompson.
I went through a phase in 8th grade where I thought Led Zeppelin were THE BEST BAND EVER. I don't know why, but my friend and I made jokes about it all the time. She got me a Jimmy Page figurine thing for Christmas. I might deface it.
And on the Sex Pistols, boys and girls?
They're good when you've never heard music like that before. When I first heard them, I never knew that people could record **** that was SO ******* ANGRY.
After a while, that kind of wore off, and I realized that they're not very good at all. Anger is good, but it isn't good when that's all you have.
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- Sadie - 12-19-2006 01:27 PM
No wonder music today sucks...
- azza200 - 12-19-2006 01:42 PM
Three Different Ones Wrote:you forgot a:D :D so true woooooooooo yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah my bad mimic of plantman oooooooooh wooooooooooooooh
BABYBABYBABYBABYBABYBABY OOOH (for like 3 minutes)
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 02:17 PM
ImTheFloor Wrote:Anger is good, but it isn't good when that's all you have.Which is why the post-Pistols bands like Bad Religion, Black Flag, The Circle Jerks, The Germs, The Dead Kennedys etc. were such a cut above the rest.
And for the record, Sadie, all of those bands completely rejected "punk fashion", ever see Jello? Besides being incredibly man-pretty, he looks like just some guy off the street. Same for Henry Rollins, except Rollins isn't oozing with sexuality like Jello.
- The Great Pig in the Sky - 12-19-2006 02:53 PM
- pointmeatthesky - 12-19-2006 02:54 PM
Sadie Wrote:No wonder music today sucks...Is it because people make baseless generalizations that are so obvously false it makes your head spin?
Oh, no, maybe not...
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 02:55 PM
- Morglor9 - 12-19-2006 05:22 PM
pointmeatthesky Wrote:Burn.Sadie Wrote:No wonder music today sucks...Is it because people make baseless generalizations that are so obvously false it makes your head spin?
Oh, no, maybe not...
- ImTheFloor - 12-19-2006 06:13 PM
pointmeatthesky Wrote:Yeah, I :love: you too.Sadie Wrote:No wonder music today sucks...Is it because people make baseless generalizations that are so obvously false it makes your head spin?
Oh, no, maybe not...
- Sadie - 12-19-2006 07:11 PM
pointmeatthesky Wrote:I forgot how bogged down in semantics we get around here. I should have said: MUCH of todays music SEEMS to suck. And I've already explained myself. Maybe if people wouldn't lower their standards so much you know? Basically, my reaction is to the attacks on bands that were groundbreaking and influential in ways todays youth cannot seem to grasp. SOME of todays youth. If we're gonna be picky about phrasing. Anyway, I'll just wait for the Nirvana Were a bunch of Pussys thread now. We already had the Beatles Suck thread so why not? Let's attack ALL the pioneers!Sadie Wrote:No wonder music today sucks...Is it because people make baseless generalizations that are so obvously false it makes your head spin?
Oh, no, maybe not...
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 07:16 PM
Sadie Wrote:I never said they weren't influential. I acknowledge Zeppelin's influence, as well as how much I as a musician owe to them, that doesn't mean I have to like them.pointmeatthesky Wrote:I forgot how bogged down in semantics we get around here. I should have said: MUCH of todays music SEEMS to suck. And I've already explained myself. Maybe if people wouldn't lower their standards so much you know? Basically, my reaction is to the attacks on bands that were groundbreaking and influential in ways todays youth cannot seem to grasp. SOME of todays youth. If we're gonna be picky about phrasing. Anyway, I'll just wait for the Nirvana Were a bunch of Pussys thread now. We already had the Beatles Suck thread so why not? Let's attack ALL the pioneers!Sadie Wrote:No wonder music today sucks...Is it because people make baseless generalizations that are so obvously false it makes your head spin?
Oh, no, maybe not...
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-19-2006 07:20 PM
Nirvana were a bunch of pussies. Not too original either, considering Jesus & Mary Chain, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., and The Pixies did the quiet/loud/quiet shtick years before them. Kurt's lyrics were pretty wusserific too. He was an overall wuss.
There. I said it.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 07:26 PM
Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:Nirvana were a bunch of pussies. Not too original either, considering Jesus & Mary Chain, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., and The Pixies did the quiet/loud/quiet shtick years before them. Kurt's lyrics were pretty wusserific too. He was an overall wuss.They weren't original at all, but Kirk's lyrics were beautiful. Really, they were. Certainly weren't "Bababababababababaohhhbababababababababay!"
There. I said it.
Why did I say "Kirk"? Its Kurt, Brian, you dumbass!
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- Sadie - 12-19-2006 07:28 PM
Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:Nirvana were a bunch of pussies. Not too original either, considering Jesus & Mary Chain, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., and The Pixies did the quiet/loud/quiet shtick years before them. Kurt's lyrics were pretty wusserific too. He was an overall wuss.That's the same old argument, but it was Nirvana at the forefront of the revolution. A lot of revisionism is going on concerning Nirvana and their contributions lately. That's okay. It's not what they were about anyway. And you are certainly entitled to your opinions.
There. I said it.
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-19-2006 07:32 PM
Forefront of the revolution? They were just fortunate to come in at a time where everyone was getting tired of the hair metal/new wave **** and wanted something new.
- BusStopRatBag - 12-19-2006 07:38 PM
Zeppelin is a key band in musical history... But I dont think Plant is the greatest vocalist of all time.
All four are very talented in my book.
I'm not a fan of the image. I am a fan of the music
- Sadie - 12-19-2006 07:43 PM
Do you have any idea of what it was like back then? How BIG that hair metal/new wave machine was?? How much MTV played a part in the success of new bands and how imaged based it was? Yeah, it was a revolution. It seemed to literally happen overnight. It was the last really interesting thing to happen to music. I'm not only talking about Nirvana here either, but they DID lead the way. BTW, you forgot the Melvins (the Jelvins anyone?) as being a major influence to Nirvana. Kurt in particular.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 07:45 PM
Sadie Wrote:Do you have any idea of what it was like back then? How BIG that hair metal/new wave machine was?? How much MTV played a part in the success of new bands and how imaged based it was? Yeah, it was a revolution. It seemed to literally happen overnight. It was the last really interesting thing to happen to music. I'm not only talking about Nirvana here either, but they DID lead the way. BTW, you forgot the Melvins (the Jelvins anyone?) as being a major influence to Nirvana. Kurt in particular.The Melvins are very good, they are currently the backing band to Jello Biafra, but their stuff without him is wonderful at all. Which leads us back to...
Jello > Robert Plant
Jello > John Lydon
Jello > Kurt Cobain
- Sadie - 12-19-2006 07:48 PM
Just as long as you don't start with Jello > Lennon or McCartney. I can live with just about anything else. :p
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- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 07:50 PM
Sadie Wrote:Just as long as you don't start with Jelle >Lennon or McCartney. I can live with just about anything else. :pOh, I would never do that. Jello himself is quoted as saying
The punks need to get over themselves. There is no way Jonh Lydon was as scary to England in 1977 as John Lennon was to England 1967. He could never hope to attain that.
Have you ever heard The Dead Kennedy "Back In The USSR"?
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-19-2006 07:55 PM
Sadie Wrote:Do you have any idea of what it was like back then? How BIG that hair metal/new wave machine was?? How much MTV played a part in the success of new bands and how imaged based it was? Yeah, it was a revolution. It seemed to literally happen overnight. It was the last really interesting thing to happen to music. I'm not only talking about Nirvana here either, but they DID lead the way. BTW, you forgot the Melvins (the Jelvins anyone?) as being a major influence to Nirvana. Kurt in particular.You're missing my point. They weren't that revolutionary. There were other bands that have done it before and have done it better. Nirvana just came in at the right time.
And I'm well aware that The Melvins were a huge influence on Nirvana. Buzz has had his dick up Kurt's ass for years.
- etphonehomeyo - 12-19-2006 08:26 PM
i can't believe some of you guys are using the fact that robert plant uses the word baby all of the time as a reason that they weren't a good band. that's crazy. on what planet is most rock n roll not about some boy wanting to bang some girl? apparently robert plant is to be looked down upon for saying just that. something doesn't have to be political to be good. led zeppelin songs are more like the roots of rock n roll.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 08:28 PM
etphonehomeyo Wrote:i can't believe some of you guys are using the fact that robert plant uses the word baby all of the time as a reason that they weren't a good band. that's crazy. on what planet is most rock n roll not about some boy wanting to bang some girl? apparently robert plant is to be looked down upon for saying just that. something doesn't have to be political to be good. led zeppelin songs are more like the roots of rock n roll.I actually have no quarrell with the use of the word "baby", it was a joke. I have a problem more with Zeppelin's ravenous fans then with them, I suppose. As I said, they used to be one of my favorite groups.
- Woof Oink Baaa - 12-19-2006 08:30 PM
But that's all he ever sings about.
That or some random J.R.R. Tolkien reference.
I don't always look for something political in songs. I look for things I can relate with. I can't relate with Plant's lyrics.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 08:31 PM
Right.
Also, they're all so showey on their instruments, it annoys me.
- etphonehomeyo - 12-19-2006 08:35 PM
one of the reasons i love zeppelin so much is the fact that that's all he sings about
- pointmeatthesky - 12-19-2006 08:35 PM
Sadie Wrote:You said "Music today sucks". Now, I'm sorry I didn't rummage through the entire Sadie calalogue to make sure that I could read between the words and get to the real, hidden meaning of your statement.pointmeatthesky Wrote:I forgot how bogged down in semantics we get around here. I should have said: MUCH of todays music SEEMS to suck. And I've already explained myself. Maybe if people wouldn't lower their standards so much you know? Basically, my reaction is to the attacks on bands that were groundbreaking and influential in ways todays youth cannot seem to grasp. SOME of todays youth. If we're gonna be picky about phrasing. Anyway, I'll just wait for the Nirvana Were a bunch of Pussys thread now. We already had the Beatles Suck thread so why not? Let's attack ALL the pioneers!Sadie Wrote:No wonder music today sucks...Is it because people make baseless generalizations that are so obvously false it makes your head spin?
Oh, no, maybe not...
As for the rest, well, it doesn't reall concern me.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 08:37 PM
etphonehomeyo Wrote:one of the reasons i love zeppelin so much is the fact that that's all he sings aboutBut he could be clever about it. We all like songs about sex, especially when they're legitimately sexy, but not when it's that blunt over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
- etphonehomeyo - 12-19-2006 08:40 PM
well lets just say i'm glad that i can see the sexiness of robert plant.
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 08:40 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:not when it's that blunt over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.A really juvenile thought just crossed my dirty freshman mind...
(This relates in no way whatsoever to the topic at hand)
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- etphonehomeyo - 12-19-2006 08:41 PM
p.s.
sometimes i think what other people find clever is overrated
- AndersonCouncill - 12-19-2006 08:43 PM
Agreed, all I mean is that maybe a bit of variety in Plant's message wouldn't hurt, you know? I mean, really. I'm not saying he should do some horrible dual-meaning joke on the album, but you know.
- W1P - 12-19-2006 11:32 PM
Ya know, I like X, Nirvana, Zeppelin, Van Halen, The Starland Vocal Band, Dan Fogelberg and Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods. I'm way too old to have to impress people with how cool my musical tastes are. I like great music, I like crap and I like "wussie" music. There I said it. :love:
- ImTheFloor - 12-20-2006 04:33 AM
Woof Oink Baaa Wrote:Nirvana were a bunch of pussies. Not too original either, considering Jesus & Mary Chain, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., and The Pixies did the quiet/loud/quiet shtick years before them. Kurt's lyrics were pretty wusserific too. He was an overall wuss.Dear god, you are so hot right now.
There. I said it.
:p
- azza200 - 12-20-2006 09:20 AM
a brief bit of whole lotta love life plant singing whole lotta love then he goes wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooo for 5 mins :D
- Scream1008 - 12-20-2006 06:28 PM
Overrated songs: Whole Lotta Love, Immigrant Song, Black Dog, Trampled Underfoot.
Crappy songs: You Shook Me, Hats Off to (Roy) Harper, Four Sticks, The Crunge, Trampled Underfoot (never really liked it), Candy Store Rock, Carouselambra
Excellent songs: Pretty much everything else
- AndersonCouncill - 12-20-2006 07:24 PM
W1P Wrote: I'm way too old to have to impress people with how cool my musical tastes are.Right, because anyone who disagrees with you must just be faking it.
- W1P - 12-20-2006 09:06 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:? I've been disagreed with (musically) my whole life and in most cases I believe that the other parties were very sincere. I'm just saying, when I say I like "The Night Chicago Died" by Paper Lace, I'm not embarrassed in the slightest. I have a large number of friends who love music and don't like Floyd very much. They're still my friends -- despite our disagreementsW1P Wrote:I'm way too old to have to impress people with how cool my musical tastes are.Right, because anyone who disagrees with you must just be faking it.
- W1P - 12-20-2006 09:07 PM
Scream1008 Wrote:Overrated songs: Whole Lotta Love, Immigrant Song, Black Dog, Trampled Underfoot.Man, I love the guitar work on You Shook Me
Crappy songs: You Shook Me, Hats Off to (Roy) Harper, Four Sticks, The Crunge, Trampled Underfoot (never really liked it), Candy Store Rock, Carouselambra
Excellent songs: Pretty much everything else
- Endless River - 12-20-2006 09:32 PM
Led Zepplin has a certain mystery and aura to them that must be understood to be appreciated. If you don't get it (which I don't think even they did. The mystery was almost certainly unintentional), than I can see how it would come out pretty sleazy.
- EGT124 - 12-20-2006 10:51 PM
Nirvana may have been derivitave and over-celebrated for doing things in rock music that had been done years prior (fun fact: Kurt said that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was his attempt at writing a Pixies song. He failed miserably, but that's beside the point). But Kurt's brilliant songwriting and truly underrated guitar playing (listen to Bleach and tell me he doesn't rock) make up for his lack of originality, plus he was pretty endearing. So those who say he sucks either don't get his music or are simply afraid to get his music because Nirvana have been so massively overrated by critics it's not even funny.
As for Led Zeppelin, I agree that they aren't the ultimate when it comes to classic rock or rock music in general. I'm not that great of a guitar player, but I can recognize that Jimmy Page was not as godly as people make him out to be. He's playing pentatonic and blues scales only sped up and with little intricacies like bends, pull offs/hammer ons, and oblique bends. Robert Plant was an average vocalist at best; and grating at worst. The only truely great musicians in the band were John Bonham and John Paul Jones.
My tuppence.
- IbanezIsTheColour - 12-20-2006 11:13 PM
Scream1008 Wrote:Overrated songs: Whole Lotta Love, Immigrant Song, Black Dog, Trampled Underfoot.I agree, You Shook Me, Hats Off to Roy Harper, and The Crunge really are pretty bad songs...especially The Crunge :sleepy:
Crappy songs: You Shook Me, Hats Off to (Roy) Harper, Four Sticks, The Crunge, Trampled Underfoot (never really liked it), Candy Store Rock, Carouselambra
Excellent songs: Pretty much everything else
- Three Different Ones - 12-20-2006 11:49 PM
hey, I like The Crunge, and Hats off! I really like Trampled Underfoot too. Meh to each his one, I suppose
- IbanezIsTheColour - 12-21-2006 12:07 AM
Three Different Ones Wrote:hey, I like The Crunge, and Hats off! I really like Trampled Underfoot too. Meh to each his one, I supposeI do think Trampled Underfoot is pretty cool.
- Funky Dung - 12-23-2006 08:23 AM
The Crunge, Hats Off!.., & Trampled Under Foot are among some of my favorite Zeppelin tunes. You Shook Me is just pure blues-rock to me, I love it. Four Sticks is OK.