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- Echoes73 - 04-01-2007 07:23 AM
Does anyone celebrate, or will be celebrating this "holiday"?
- Stumpy Floyd - 04-01-2007 03:34 PM
no, on account of i'm not a tool...
- Dragonrider - 04-01-2007 04:53 PM
What on earth is it?
- cevor - 04-01-2007 05:21 PM
Dragonrider Wrote:What on earth is it?below you dear Dragonrider...not worthy of your time....
- Space Cadet - 04-02-2007 12:46 AM
Its a festivity most widely celebrated in America by the drug culture to honor the consumption of cannabis ... I'm going to a gathering that occurs locally to see a show, and probably won't find my way home until the weekend has been cached and spent, to be honest. But if your goal in firing up a 4/20 discussion is to start some stupid **** with stoners who yield their status, I'd advise you to give it up quick. Don't hate.
- Wings on the Pig - 04-02-2007 12:47 AM
Echoes73 Wrote:Does anyone celebrate, or will be celebrating this "holiday"?No.
- Echoes73 - 04-02-2007 04:42 AM
FantasticFloyd Wrote:Its a festivity most widely celebrated in America by the drug culture to honor the consumption of cannabis ... I'm going to a gathering that occurs locally to see a show, and probably won't find my way home until the weekend has been cached and spent, to be honest. But if your goal in firing up a 4/20 discussion is to start some stupid **** with stoners who yield their status, I'd advise you to give it up quick. Don't hate.thank you for speaking my opinion at the same time, whats wrong with celebrating the use of a drug that is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco combined and has generally been a huge influence in worldwide culture... without pot you might as well throw out all those great albums you have because they probably wouldn't exist
- whong - 04-02-2007 09:04 AM
Echoes73 Wrote:Great points, both of you!FantasticFloyd Wrote:Its a festivity most widely celebrated in America by the drug culture to honor the consumption of cannabis ... I'm going to a gathering that occurs locally to see a show, and probably won't find my way home until the weekend has been cached and spent, to be honest. But if your goal in firing up a 4/20 discussion is to start some stupid **** with stoners who yield their status, I'd advise you to give it up quick. Don't hate.thank you for speaking my opinion at the same time, whats wrong with celebrating the use of a drug that is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco combined and has generally been a huge influence in worldwide culture... without pot you might as well throw out all those great albums you have because they probably wouldn't exist
The so called "war on drugs" was lost many years ago.....yet there's still billions of dollars dumped into a lost cause every year. I'm reefering....er.....refering to marijuana specifically, btw. Decriminalization of said drug may well be the answer, as it would probably foster some measure of disinterest, and think of the money that would be saved that could be directed at much more pressing matters that never seem to get fixed or properly focused on(healthcare, education, etc.).
One of the biggest parts of the problem lies in the fact that it's "forbidden".....and we humans certainly find much intrigue in all things taboo! By comparison, alcohol and it's consumption is undoubtedly more deadly on a variety of obvious levels. I don't recall ever hearing of someone sparking up and smoking themselves into the mindset of "beating the crap out of someone".....
- Philintheflesh - 04-02-2007 09:29 AM
whong Wrote:I don't recall ever hearing of someone sparking up and smoking themselves into the mindset of "beating the crap out of someone".....Yes. A valid point. A bit of pot-smoking doesn`t turn town centres into "no-go" areas, the way binge-drinking can.
- cevor - 04-02-2007 09:46 AM
Philintheflesh Wrote:it's 4:20 twice a day baby! the worst thing that'll happen is the local quickie mart runs out of oreos and onion dip!whong Wrote:I don't recall ever hearing of someone sparking up and smoking themselves into the mindset of "beating the crap out of someone".....Yes. A valid point. A bit of pot-smoking doesn`t turn town centres into "no-go" areas, the way binge-drinking can.
:p :D 
celebrate...don't advertise...
all politicos...balance the budget, legalize weed!
- Echoes73 - 04-02-2007 02:19 PM
Philintheflesh Wrote:exactly, a lot of illegal substances won't do that, even including things like acid...whong Wrote:I don't recall ever hearing of someone sparking up and smoking themselves into the mindset of "beating the crap out of someone".....Yes. A valid point. A bit of pot-smoking doesn`t turn town centres into "no-go" areas, the way binge-drinking can.
I celebrated 420 a little early today :p :D
- Space Cadet - 04-02-2007 02:46 PM
Echoes73 Wrote:I celebrated 420 a little early today :p :DSpeak for yourself, man. I don't have a job, and am therefore coming up short when scaled next to my friends in terms of funds, which means I have to pinch every penny in order to thoroughly enjoy the festivities. This must change. Got to get my cash-moneys, son!
You know what I want to do to every prick who boycotts weed?
Make them take a blunt to the face.
- I Dig A Pigmy - 04-02-2007 03:06 PM
Quote:no, on account of i'm not a tool...
lol, classic!!!!!!!!!
Quote:You know what I want to do to every prick who boycotts weed?
I boycott b/c if i smoke i get 9 months in jail (drug tests on probation).
I actually get off probation officially April 17. def gonna have a toke or two, I wouldnt exactly thank the lord for weed and celebrate its existance.....
thats what high school was for, right? :D
- Stumpy Floyd - 04-02-2007 03:22 PM
Echoes73 Wrote:whats wrong with celebrating the use of a drug that is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco combined and has generally been a huge influence in worldwide culturei'm 100% pro smoking weed if that's your bag, man, but "celebrating" it via 420 is just retarded... it's similar to the whole drinking on st. patrick's day thing, with one important difference: you drink on st. patrick's day to celebrate st. patrick, you don't drink to celebrate drinking...
- Dragonrider - 04-02-2007 03:32 PM
The only reason why tobacco and alcohol are not illegal is because they are taxed.
- Stumpy Floyd - 04-02-2007 03:37 PM
Dragonrider Wrote:The only reason why tobacco and alcohol are not illegal is because they are taxed.that's backwards logic, and thus doesn't make any freaking sense... they're taxed because they're legal, they're not legal because they're taxed... the government could very easily legalize weed and tax the crap out of it...
- Dragonrider - 04-02-2007 03:43 PM
- Stumpy Floyd - 04-02-2007 03:55 PM
Dragonrider Wrote:You're a knob sometimes stumpy.SOMEtimes?
Quote:The green stuff will never be legalised because it does ultimately cause harm.bullsh*t... the reason it's illegal in the US is because the government, and much of the culture is still obsessed with the notion of "drugs are bad, m'kay"... it's already legal in parts of europe, and up here in the great white north it's on the brink of being decriminalized...
and on the subject of alcohol, if the only reason the government keeps it around is because they make so much money off of it then explain prohibition... they TRIED to get rid of it, but once you give someone a vice it's pretty much impossible to take it away...
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- I Dig A Pigmy - 04-02-2007 05:04 PM
Quote:bullsh*t... the reason it's illegal in the US is because the government, and much of the culture is still obsessed with the notion of "drugs are bad, m'kay"...
true.
but everyonce in a while there can be a lot of negative consequences. want proof? come check out my roommate.
He smokes prolly 7 times a day, and im being conservative. He is a funkin mess and nvr has any money for the rent or other shet. But somehow he always has a sack on him. And when he doesnt, he freaks out.
I used to think just like you Stumpy. but seriously there are some people who cant handle it. Albeit very rare, but still.
prolly a good thing that it is illegal.
it does cause harm. just not as bad as other drugs.
- artie_fufkin - 04-02-2007 06:32 PM
These debates on "legalization" result in the most incredibly stupid comments.
Here are some US facts:
Tobacco is ridiculously expensive and difficult to grow and process - it WAS the most heavily subsidized crop (not sure if it still is - probably IS.)
MJ is ridiculously INexpensive and EASY to grow - can be done almost anywhere. So, the government would never see how much was being grown (since there'd be millions of houses with indoor plants).
Alcohol is surprisingly easy to make - hard to do if you want it to taste nice and not make people go blind.
Winner (from a law-maker's POV)? Alcohol and tobacco - government has some regulation on its manufacture. MJ is too easily grown ANYWHERE. It would be horribly irresponsible to allow it (see below).
Tobacco's effects from nicotine wear off quickly (in minutes), but the lingering physical effects can be life-long. All smoke makes for irreversible, cumulative damage.
MJ's effects wear off quickly, but the lingering effects are largely unknown (and ALWAYS skewed in reports to support an agenda). Long-term effects are believed to vary GREATLY by the user - making it something that can't be easily quantified. Again, smoke is irreversible and cumulative.
Alcohol's effects wear off after hours, but the body heals from much of the damage (unless it's acute or chronic alcoholism).
Winner (from health professionals)? Alcohol (since the user heals) or MJ (due to only occasional usage - unlike tobacco).
But here's the kicker...
When there's an accident at work, those involved have to get a urinalysis for alcohol and drugs. Alcohol's presence indicates the person was under the influence. THC's presence indicates the person was exposed in the past 30 days. How can anyone prove he was or wasn't high as a kite when he skewered his buddy with a forklift? Currently, it's not possible to ACCURATELY show this.
Soooo... Ain't gonna happen. Tobacco and alcohol are all we'll have for the forseeable future. MJ will remain America's dirty little secret - and illegal - for a long time to come.
A gainfully employed person would know what I mean by all of this. Anyone who wants to argue with me needs to argue the FACTS I have presented with other FACTS. I have stated only facts, as I best know them. I KNOW that the industrial and manufacturing sector will never allow MJ to be legalized - and the public isn't about to allow alcohol or tobacco to go away forever (though the tobacco industry seems to be gasping pretty hard).
Potheads: Put down your hookahs and give up the "pipedrem."
- artie_fufkin - 04-02-2007 06:51 PM
Stumpy Floyd Wrote:... then explain prohibition... they TRIED to get rid of it, but once you give someone a vice it's pretty much impossible to take it away...You just admitted what so many have denied. And THAT is another reason MJ won't get LEGALIZED here.
It won't happen. If you want to toke up legally, move to one of those wonderful nations where it IS legal and post some wonderful messages about how superior your "NEW" country is to the US. Otherwise, "pipe down" and toe the line, sonny.
And note that in my line of work, when someone fails a piss-test (remarkably rare), NONE of us feel sorry for the guy (or gal) losing his (her) job. We're generally glad to see the user gone and hope they'll clean up - but we all count on verifiable proof that he's staying clean and that he cares enough about OUR safety that he'll avoid the drugs that will alter his judgment.
I have no desire to be around people who "need" things like that (alcohol OR drugs). That's a very '60s mentality.
- Stumpy Floyd - 04-02-2007 07:02 PM
I Dig A Pigmy Wrote:I used to think just like you Stumpy. but seriously there are some people who cant handle it. Albeit very rare, but still.the same can be said about smoking, drinking, gambling, promiscuity, unhealthy foods, prescription drugs and so on and so forth, and those are all legal... all vices have inherent risks, it's stupid to think they don't, but that doesn't mean that the government should disallow us from doing these things, it just means that people need to excersice some f*cking discretion and know their limits...
prolly a good thing that it is illegal.
it does cause harm. just not as bad as other drugs.
- Philintheflesh - 04-02-2007 07:12 PM
artie_fufkin Wrote:If you want to toke up legally, move to one of those wonderful nations where it IS legal and post some wonderful messages about how superior your "NEW" country isWell, the Dutch are allowed to smoke weed and speak four languages.....so fair play to them! :love: ...they`re not so good at the 100 metre dash, though.
- JethroZepFloyd - 04-02-2007 07:17 PM
i love weed
- rolanddoe - 04-03-2007 10:54 AM
Artie remind Og old story many woman times back. Tribe have entrepreneur farmers grow grickle grain feed big bird beast. (Tribe not eat grickle grain - make big problem many big fans needed cave - arms get tired!) Big bird beast very fast tribe use ride not work so hard go places.
Special big shot grickle grain farmer named Mikdonuld. Mikdonuld use many evil plans make other farmers feel small tell what do. Mikdonuld innovate make many new things make Mikdonuld have more say.
Og show example; Mikdonuld cross woolybeast breed huge new big bird beasts carry caveman, little ones, woman, mother of woman :Oo:. Caveman go seashore sleep tent back beast stay warm. (Beast gas keep nasty beasts away - very nice not even need cave!) Little ones swim catch fish play bass. Caveman relax play woman hear woman mother roll eyes. But huge big bird beast eat much much grickle grain!
Mikdonuld need grow much much grickle grain now - make other farmers know new way. Everybody happy. Right? Mikdonuld have special friends make very thick uppity bean grind tea make farmers work hard. Bright light close eye farmers still work. Farmers make much grain soon have more say hunters. Farmers give hunters uppity tea offer more say hunters do work. Farmers count nice times!
Og tribe economy boom! Special uppity farmer group use much grain, feed huge beasts, build new caves grain land. Sell new built caves gatherers. Then take beast, live beach. Gatherers not so happy time. Hunters have weapons set new say limits. Mikdonuld very happy now. Whole tribe need grain, commute. Tribe need much more grain than tribe grain land make.
Mikdonuld come Og cave many special friends many hunters. Hunters very uppity Mokites notice. Mikdonuld talk Og tell me him have special winkwink say. Want make gatherers drink bean grind tea work hard not smoke special bamboo not drink moss ferment. Want hunters and Mokites fight take grass land neighbor tribes. Og laugh. Og offer Mikdonuld pipe very special bamboo. Mikdonuld now angry very uppity. Mokites notice. Laugh too. Og head butt Mikdonuld and laugh. Og not feel pain. Mikdonuld twitch floor cry little cavebaby. Mokites laugh. :blues: Hunters remember place. Special friends disappear. Mokites share many pipes. Tribe healed.
Og put Mikdonuld back fastest big bird beast point border slap ass. Og tell farmers stay coastline fish not come back. Og take grain lands establish autonomous collective! Gatherers have very happy time now grow tribe needs much nice wild food much moss much much special bamboo! :p Hunters learn new jobs grow beasts only hunt wildlife management. ???
Then Og tribe lands very happy very bountiful. But soon Og tribe threatened. Mikdonuld return neighboring tribes great army farmer chieftains. Og very smart, say parley chieftains ignore Mikdonuld. Chieftains like more say Mikdonuld. Chieftains come Og cave. Mikdonuld stay camp.
Bamboo only grow Og tribe lands. Moss only grow Og tribe lands. Og pass bottle. Og pass pipe Og explain chieftains Og tribe fight right party. Chieftains get Og. Many pipes passed. Many kegs ferment opened. Og tribe pay great tribute weary army camp many bales bamboo many kegs ferment. Great celebration feast! Many new friends!
Mikdonuld stay camp pouting cave baby. Drink much much much bean grind tea get very uppity. Throw tantrum cargo beast paddock confuse gentle mammoths. Beasts try avoid trampling great farmer but Mikdonuld too uppity and zig when should zag. :;): Very sad part good time. :sleepy:
Now local economy established. Tribes work very hard have good life. Og tribe provide exclusive herbs spices crops seafood recreational diversions. Great neighbor farmlands grow staple foodstuffs bird beast food raise best woolybeast steaks ever!
No special winkwink say! Tribe work hard fight right party!
Og and tribes wish Floydian friends very happy and safe 4/20!!!! :blues:
- cevor - 04-03-2007 11:01 AM
******* legendary
- Echoes73 - 04-03-2007 11:19 AM
Stumpy Floyd Wrote:technically weed is legal and if it is sold the government would make tax off of it, but the means you need to go through to obtain a marijuana stamp breaks the law... don't you know the marijuana stamp act and the story of Samuel L. Cauldwell?Dragonrider Wrote:The only reason why tobacco and alcohol are not illegal is because they are taxed.the government could very easily legalize weed and tax the crap out of it...
- I Dig A Pigmy - 04-03-2007 03:50 PM
Quote:the same can be said about smoking, drinking, gambling, promiscuity, unhealthy foods, prescription drugs and so on and so forth, and those are all legal... all vices have inherent risks, it's stupid to think they don't, but that doesn't mean that the government should disallow us from doing these things, it just means that people need to excersice some f*cking discretion and know their limits...
I couldnt agree more..... i dont write the rules though.
rolanddoe, your post is too long and hurting my eyes.
Also, did you see New Mexico just signed medical MJ into law?
well, they did
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- whong - 04-03-2007 03:54 PM
rolanddoe Wrote:Artie remind Og old story many woman times back. Tribe have entrepreneur farmers grow grickle grain feed big bird beast. (Tribe not eat grickle grain - make big problem many big fans needed cave - arms get tired!) Big bird beast very fast tribe use ride not work so hard go places.Where's my weed? :laugh:
Special big shot grickle grain farmer named Mikdonuld. Mikdonuld use many evil plans make other farmers feel small tell what do. Mikdonuld innovate make many new things make Mikdonuld have more say.
Og show example; Mikdonuld cross woolybeast breed huge new big bird beasts carry caveman, little ones, woman, mother of woman :Oo:. Caveman go seashore sleep tent back beast stay warm. (Beast gas keep nasty beasts away - very nice not even need cave!) Little ones swim catch fish play bass. Caveman relax play woman hear woman mother roll eyes. But huge big bird beast eat much much grickle grain!
Mikdonuld need grow much much grickle grain now - make other farmers know new way. Everybody happy. Right? Mikdonuld have special friends make very thick uppity bean grind tea make farmers work hard. Bright light close eye farmers still work. Farmers make much grain soon have more say hunters. Farmers give hunters uppity tea offer more say hunters do work. Farmers count nice times!
Og tribe economy boom! Special uppity farmer group use much grain, feed huge beasts, build new caves grain land. Sell new built caves gatherers. Then take beast, live beach. Gatherers not so happy time. Hunters have weapons set new say limits. Mikdonuld very happy now. Whole tribe need grain, commute. Tribe need much more grain than tribe grain land make.
Mikdonuld come Og cave many special friends many hunters. Hunters very uppity Mokites notice. Mikdonuld talk Og tell me him have special winkwink say. Want make gatherers drink bean grind tea work hard not smoke special bamboo not drink moss ferment. Want hunters and Mokites fight take grass land neighbor tribes. Og laugh. Og offer Mikdonuld pipe very special bamboo. Mikdonuld now angry very uppity. Mokites notice. Laugh too. Og head butt Mikdonuld and laugh. Og not feel pain. Mikdonuld twitch floor cry little cavebaby. Mokites laugh. :blues: Hunters remember place. Special friends disappear. Mokites share many pipes. Tribe healed.
Og put Mikdonuld back fastest big bird beast point border slap ass. Og tell farmers stay coastline fish not come back. Og take grain lands establish autonomous collective! Gatherers have very happy time now grow tribe needs much nice wild food much moss much much special bamboo! :p Hunters learn new jobs grow beasts only hunt wildlife management. ???
Then Og tribe lands very happy very bountiful. But soon Og tribe threatened. Mikdonuld return neighboring tribes great army farmer chieftains. Og very smart, say parley chieftains ignore Mikdonuld. Chieftains like more say Mikdonuld. Chieftains come Og cave. Mikdonuld stay camp.
Bamboo only grow Og tribe lands. Moss only grow Og tribe lands. Og pass bottle. Og pass pipe Og explain chieftains Og tribe fight right party. Chieftains get Og. Many pipes passed. Many kegs ferment opened. Og tribe pay great tribute weary army camp many bales bamboo many kegs ferment. Great celebration feast! Many new friends!
Mikdonuld stay camp pouting cave baby. Drink much much much bean grind tea get very uppity. Throw tantrum cargo beast paddock confuse gentle mammoths. Beasts try avoid trampling great farmer but Mikdonuld too uppity and zig when should zag. :;): Very sad part good time. :sleepy:
Now local economy established. Tribes work very hard have good life. Og tribe provide exclusive herbs spices crops seafood recreational diversions. Great neighbor farmlands grow staple foodstuffs bird beast food raise best woolybeast steaks ever!
No special winkwink say! Tribe work hard fight right party!
Og and tribes wish Floydian friends very happy and safe 4/20!!!! :blues:
- Space Cadet - 04-04-2007 12:05 AM
rolanddoe Wrote:Artie remind Og old story many woman times back. Tribe have entrepreneur farmers grow grickle grain feed big bird beast. (Tribe not eat grickle grain - make big problem many big fans needed cave - arms get tired!) Big bird beast very fast tribe use ride not work so hard go places.You. Go write the all-time American satire now, before I have a chance to mature and decide to go for the gold myself.
Special big shot grickle grain farmer named Mikdonuld. Mikdonuld use many evil plans make other farmers feel small tell what do. Mikdonuld innovate make many new things make Mikdonuld have more say.
Og show example; Mikdonuld cross woolybeast breed huge new big bird beasts carry caveman, little ones, woman, mother of woman :Oo:. Caveman go seashore sleep tent back beast stay warm. (Beast gas keep nasty beasts away - very nice not even need cave!) Little ones swim catch fish play bass. Caveman relax play woman hear woman mother roll eyes. But huge big bird beast eat much much grickle grain!
Mikdonuld need grow much much grickle grain now - make other farmers know new way. Everybody happy. Right? Mikdonuld have special friends make very thick uppity bean grind tea make farmers work hard. Bright light close eye farmers still work. Farmers make much grain soon have more say hunters. Farmers give hunters uppity tea offer more say hunters do work. Farmers count nice times!
Og tribe economy boom! Special uppity farmer group use much grain, feed huge beasts, build new caves grain land. Sell new built caves gatherers. Then take beast, live beach. Gatherers not so happy time. Hunters have weapons set new say limits. Mikdonuld very happy now. Whole tribe need grain, commute. Tribe need much more grain than tribe grain land make.
Mikdonuld come Og cave many special friends many hunters. Hunters very uppity Mokites notice. Mikdonuld talk Og tell me him have special winkwink say. Want make gatherers drink bean grind tea work hard not smoke special bamboo not drink moss ferment. Want hunters and Mokites fight take grass land neighbor tribes. Og laugh. Og offer Mikdonuld pipe very special bamboo. Mikdonuld now angry very uppity. Mokites notice. Laugh too. Og head butt Mikdonuld and laugh. Og not feel pain. Mikdonuld twitch floor cry little cavebaby. Mokites laugh. :blues: Hunters remember place. Special friends disappear. Mokites share many pipes. Tribe healed.
Og put Mikdonuld back fastest big bird beast point border slap ass. Og tell farmers stay coastline fish not come back. Og take grain lands establish autonomous collective! Gatherers have very happy time now grow tribe needs much nice wild food much moss much much special bamboo! :p Hunters learn new jobs grow beasts only hunt wildlife management. ???
Then Og tribe lands very happy very bountiful. But soon Og tribe threatened. Mikdonuld return neighboring tribes great army farmer chieftains. Og very smart, say parley chieftains ignore Mikdonuld. Chieftains like more say Mikdonuld. Chieftains come Og cave. Mikdonuld stay camp.
Bamboo only grow Og tribe lands. Moss only grow Og tribe lands. Og pass bottle. Og pass pipe Og explain chieftains Og tribe fight right party. Chieftains get Og. Many pipes passed. Many kegs ferment opened. Og tribe pay great tribute weary army camp many bales bamboo many kegs ferment. Great celebration feast! Many new friends!
Mikdonuld stay camp pouting cave baby. Drink much much much bean grind tea get very uppity. Throw tantrum cargo beast paddock confuse gentle mammoths. Beasts try avoid trampling great farmer but Mikdonuld too uppity and zig when should zag. :;): Very sad part good time. :sleepy:
Now local economy established. Tribes work very hard have good life. Og tribe provide exclusive herbs spices crops seafood recreational diversions. Great neighbor farmlands grow staple foodstuffs bird beast food raise best woolybeast steaks ever!
No special winkwink say! Tribe work hard fight right party!
Og and tribes wish Floydian friends very happy and safe 4/20!!!! :blues:
- Wings on the Pig - 04-04-2007 12:59 AM
rolanddoe Wrote:Artie remind Og old story many woman times back. Tribe have entrepreneur farmers grow grickle grain feed big bird beast. (Tribe not eat grickle grain - make big problem many big fans needed cave - arms get tired!) Big bird beast very fast tribe use ride not work so hard go places.What a post!!
Special big shot grickle grain farmer named Mikdonuld. Mikdonuld use many evil plans make other farmers feel small tell what do. Mikdonuld innovate make many new things make Mikdonuld have more say.
Og show example; Mikdonuld cross woolybeast breed huge new big bird beasts carry caveman, little ones, woman, mother of woman :Oo:. Caveman go seashore sleep tent back beast stay warm. (Beast gas keep nasty beasts away - very nice not even need cave!) Little ones swim catch fish play bass. Caveman relax play woman hear woman mother roll eyes. But huge big bird beast eat much much grickle grain!
Mikdonuld need grow much much grickle grain now - make other farmers know new way. Everybody happy. Right? Mikdonuld have special friends make very thick uppity bean grind tea make farmers work hard. Bright light close eye farmers still work. Farmers make much grain soon have more say hunters. Farmers give hunters uppity tea offer more say hunters do work. Farmers count nice times!
Og tribe economy boom! Special uppity farmer group use much grain, feed huge beasts, build new caves grain land. Sell new built caves gatherers. Then take beast, live beach. Gatherers not so happy time. Hunters have weapons set new say limits. Mikdonuld very happy now. Whole tribe need grain, commute. Tribe need much more grain than tribe grain land make.
Mikdonuld come Og cave many special friends many hunters. Hunters very uppity Mokites notice. Mikdonuld talk Og tell me him have special winkwink say. Want make gatherers drink bean grind tea work hard not smoke special bamboo not drink moss ferment. Want hunters and Mokites fight take grass land neighbor tribes. Og laugh. Og offer Mikdonuld pipe very special bamboo. Mikdonuld now angry very uppity. Mokites notice. Laugh too. Og head butt Mikdonuld and laugh. Og not feel pain. Mikdonuld twitch floor cry little cavebaby. Mokites laugh. :blues: Hunters remember place. Special friends disappear. Mokites share many pipes. Tribe healed.
Og put Mikdonuld back fastest big bird beast point border slap ass. Og tell farmers stay coastline fish not come back. Og take grain lands establish autonomous collective! Gatherers have very happy time now grow tribe needs much nice wild food much moss much much special bamboo! :p Hunters learn new jobs grow beasts only hunt wildlife management. ???
Then Og tribe lands very happy very bountiful. But soon Og tribe threatened. Mikdonuld return neighboring tribes great army farmer chieftains. Og very smart, say parley chieftains ignore Mikdonuld. Chieftains like more say Mikdonuld. Chieftains come Og cave. Mikdonuld stay camp.
Bamboo only grow Og tribe lands. Moss only grow Og tribe lands. Og pass bottle. Og pass pipe Og explain chieftains Og tribe fight right party. Chieftains get Og. Many pipes passed. Many kegs ferment opened. Og tribe pay great tribute weary army camp many bales bamboo many kegs ferment. Great celebration feast! Many new friends!
Mikdonuld stay camp pouting cave baby. Drink much much much bean grind tea get very uppity. Throw tantrum cargo beast paddock confuse gentle mammoths. Beasts try avoid trampling great farmer but Mikdonuld too uppity and zig when should zag. :;): Very sad part good time. :sleepy:
Now local economy established. Tribes work very hard have good life. Og tribe provide exclusive herbs spices crops seafood recreational diversions. Great neighbor farmlands grow staple foodstuffs bird beast food raise best woolybeast steaks ever!
No special winkwink say! Tribe work hard fight right party!
Og and tribes wish Floydian friends very happy and safe 4/20!!!! :blues:
Welcome back rolanddoe. :D
- Philintheflesh - 04-04-2007 09:48 AM
rolanddoe Wrote:Little ones swim catch fish play bass....And no-one better to teach them too....for Og`s bass-playing prowess is indeed legendary. :;):
- Stumpy Floyd - 04-04-2007 04:55 PM
Echoes73 Wrote:don't you know the marijuana stamp act and the story of Samuel L. Cauldwell?you'd be surprised at the amount of things i don't know...
- artie_fufkin - 04-04-2007 06:30 PM
Stumpy Floyd Wrote:Seems a lot of us don't know a whole lot. No idea about Samuel Cauldwell. Search engines, Wiki search... Nothing I could find. But the stamp act is here:Echoes73 Wrote:don't you know the marijuana stamp act and the story of Samuel L. Cauldwell?you'd be surprised at the amount of things i don't know...
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/e1960/learyvus.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Marihuana_Tax_Act
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- artie_fufkin - 04-04-2007 06:46 PM
rolanddoe Wrote:Artie remind Og old story many woman times back. ...Funny! But, uhh, I guess I must have jogged Ogg's memory by either posting a lengthy post - or I was being "uppity." Maybe both - and then some. I'm OK with people reading my posts and judging me as such; it's sort of funny, really.
Anyway, RD, it's great to see you posting again. But I assure you that I'm not being uppity, you Birkenstock wearing, peace-sign-flashing, dirty long-haired, tie-dyed, hemp shorts, John Lennon emulating, free-loving, just-for-the-moment-living, Grateful Dead listening, incense and candle store visiting, tambourine playing, aimless vagabond hippie! (I AM TOTALLY KIDDING, but just making light of stereotyping people in online forums).
How's that for uppity? :)
- Echoes73 - 04-05-2007 11:42 AM
artie_fufkin Wrote:Sorry I spelled it wrong, Sam can be found here http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6684Stumpy Floyd Wrote:Seems a lot of us don't know a whole lot. No idea about Samuel Cauldwell. Search engines, Wiki search... Nothing I could find. But the stamp act is here:Echoes73 Wrote:don't you know the marijuana stamp act and the story of Samuel L. Cauldwell?you'd be surprised at the amount of things i don't know...
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/e1960/learyvus.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Marihuana_Tax_Act
- rolanddoe - 04-05-2007 05:36 PM
artie_fufkin Wrote:Og not say Artie uppity. Og not come close say Artie uppity. Make Og sad. Og think maybe Artie read Og post, fill own blanks...hmmm?? Og bring Artie nice other tea help relax?rolanddoe Wrote:Artie remind Og old story many woman times back. ...Funny! But, uhh, I guess I must have jogged Ogg's memory by either posting a lengthy post - or I was being "uppity." Maybe both - and then some. I'm OK with people reading my posts and judging me as such; it's sort of funny, really.
Anyway, RD, it's great to see you posting again. But I assure you that I'm not being uppity, you Birkenstock wearing, peace-sign-flashing, dirty long-haired, tie-dyed, hemp shorts, John Lennon emulating, free-loving, just-for-the-moment-living, Grateful Dead listening, incense and candle store visiting, tambourine playing, aimless vagabond hippie! (I AM TOTALLY KIDDING, but just making light of stereotyping people in online forums).
How's that for uppity? :)
By way Og not spelled Ogg. Og only spell Og Ogg Floydian server require third letter. Please Floydians ignore server not spell Og Ogg. Second g redundant!
Why Artie respond rolanddoe? Also how describe rolanddoe so good? Artie meet rolanddoe wayback? Now rolanddoe mostly seen wear work clothes grumble much flip other workers off. Drink bean grind tea resurrect rolanddoe moss ferment problem caused special bamboo prohibition. rolanddoe not smoke bamboo not eat poppyseed muffin either! (rolanddoe favorite muffin by way!) Not risk get paper cut get sent emergency room get terminated.
Og not understand. Why Floydian employers kill good workers bad test? :(
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- artie_fufkin - 04-06-2007 04:54 PM
rolanddoe Wrote:Og, you seemed to not notice I was kidding. Honestly, I don't understand half of what you posted - but it seemed you were saying something that was so allegorical that it could be interpreted SO MANY ways that I just wanted to play along from that angle.artie_fufkin Wrote:How's that for uppity? :)Og not say Artie uppity.
Here's the deal: When anyone starts talking about legalizing MJ, they (all too often) seem to come across as wackos. So, instead of having good public discourse about the topic, they drive away those who would like to present and compare salient ideas. To those of us who would simply like to see a good debate, we see the pothead arguing with the Bible-thumper. Sheesh... We'll never see anything presented with wit and wisdom. And THAT is why I hate the "legalization" discussions - they go nowhere. They're as ridiculous (and fruitless) as the UFO geek / conspiracy theorist debating alien invasions with some USAF and CIA guys - NO sane person on the sidelines would take EITHER as a credible representative of either stance.
So, MJ is not legal; you shouldn't do it for health AND for legal reasons; and it's not about to become legal. Like it or not, that's the reality. There's a fairly healthy underground, and if you're being discreet and reasonable, odds are good that you won't have a lot of legal problems. If you work for an employer who gives urinalyses, you need to abide by the rules: Work there without THC in your system, or work elsewhere.
Ever heard of 4/21? Where employers who know about 4/20 automatically beef-up and give urinalyses to their employees? Do as you wish - I can't stop you. But I see an obligation to at least make sure that all facts are weighed. And if someone gets canned for a positive THC result - I better not hear any whining about how the system is unfair, etc... The rules and laws are THERE; they're FAIR; and just because some won't agree with them, NOONE has the right to ignore them. Capisce?
- rolanddoe - 04-07-2007 11:31 AM
I've never worked for an employer who did either routine or random testing after the initial hire. In my experience you are only likely to be required to submit to a test as prerequisite to being hired.
After that there are two scenarios which could result in further testing.
If you suffer an on the job injury you can be tested to determine whether intoxication was a factor in the accident. This is done primarily for insurance company purposes. Obviously this means that if you had a couple of tokes two weeks previously your employer's carrier can weasel out of their obligation. (Another reason to nuke Hartford and rid our country of this pernicious leech industry.) As a result you can also end up either unemployed or facing mandatory testing in the future.
The other way you could face mandatory testing is by submitting to it voluntarily. If your employer finds that your on the job performance has become consistently substandard and still wishes to retain your services you might be offered the opportunity to benefit from a substance abuse abatement program which will require mandatory testing in order to determine compliance.
This is the reality where I have worked. In addition most employers could care less what your private lifestyle is so long as you show up regularly for work and do your job well.
Employers like you are describing, artie, (the 4/21 scenario) who are actively interested in controlling the private behavior of their employees, are probably likely to share the consequences their own pervasive selectiveness. They will have higher turnover and thusly less continuity. They may be forced to settle for less talented personnel capable of a lower level of efficiency simply because of their insistence upon imposing political conformity beyond the workplace.
Justice is served. The only reasonable condition to employment is job performance. Intelligent employers and workers understand this.
Wink wink....
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- artie_fufkin - 04-07-2007 02:57 PM
Yeah, I have worked for employers who did the initial testing upon employment and the testing after an accident as you described. Also, they recommended departments perform testing prior to promotion, and testing upon leaving the company (basically, when there was a change of employment status). They always said they COULD do a random test, but it seemed to never really happen.
Where I work now, we DO get random tests. Shoot, even the CEO got picked! It's TRULY random. And because of that, I am fine with it. Especially when I know the CEO did the same thing we all do, and grimaced and went to the clinic to do it.
Now, SOME employers I've heard about seem to WANT to check that kind of thing. I think that's an odd issue to obsess over, but... oh, well. The rules are there, and if you don't like them, you can get a nice job working at any number of employers that don't test at all (or are a lot less overly diligant). Having worked for several types, I, for one, prefer working for companies that encourage staying clean (and keeping a random-pick plan in place is effective) - but would rather avoid the companies that like to "profile" - it was amazing to learn of an arrogant young exec (years ago) who got axed for cocaine. So, it CAN cut both ways.
- TiedyeVikki - 04-08-2007 08:18 PM
I don't have anything to add to this discussion... I just have a great link to post in a 420 thread... check this out, and be sure to scroll down through all the photos... pretty impressive operation!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14437/Cave-Of-Weed
(Sometimes the pics don't appear for some reason... if that happens, click on the word Scribd and they'll come up in new window. :Oo: )
--Vik
- F??ar?Ūl???§?§ - 04-09-2007 05:52 AM
Actually I can't celebrate this year. I have a Drug test April 28th so therefore i cannot allow myself. : (
Yes, it is very sad but April 29th is going to be my April 20th.
Blaze that ****.
- rolanddoe - 04-09-2007 07:37 AM
TiedyeVikki Wrote:I don't have anything to add to this discussion... I just have a great link to post in a 420 thread... check this out, and be sure to scroll down through all the photos... pretty impressive operation!It's actually a very troubling operation as I see it, Vikki. People willing to invest in secrecy at this level are also likely to resort to any action to maintain silence about what they are doing.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14437/Cave-Of-Weed
(Sometimes the pics don't appear for some reason... if that happens, click on the word Scribd and they'll come up in new window. :Oo: )
--Vik
I think that it's somewhat contemptible that those who so highly value their need to impose their ideology upon others cannot grasp that they are every bit as complicit in the consequences of this continuing predicament as pot growers and users. Prohibition of behavior which cannot be controlled always results in this same sad scenario.
Their children won't ever be protected from the ability to make individual choices despite their abiding belief in the value of criminalizing neighbors for that purpose.
It's a very interesting tour. It says things about measurably wasted energy the police photographers perhaps never fathomed.
Busted.
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- Space Cadet - 04-09-2007 07:31 PM
- F??ar?Ūl???§?§ - 04-10-2007 05:47 AM
- Grguitarfreek100 - 04-10-2007 12:24 PM
whong Wrote:Its worthless to stop drug use and in my opinion wrong. I believe that all things like that should be taken on individual responsibility. If you dont want your child to do drugs then keep them from doing it and punish them if they do. But illegalizing drugs causes more problems than it prevents. Plus if legal, the government could put a sin tax on it, which would further help the econamy.Echoes73 Wrote:Great points, both of you!FantasticFloyd Wrote:Its a festivity most widely celebrated in America by the drug culture to honor the consumption of cannabis ... I'm going to a gathering that occurs locally to see a show, and probably won't find my way home until the weekend has been cached and spent, to be honest. But if your goal in firing up a 4/20 discussion is to start some stupid **** with stoners who yield their status, I'd advise you to give it up quick. Don't hate.thank you for speaking my opinion at the same time, whats wrong with celebrating the use of a drug that is less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco combined and has generally been a huge influence in worldwide culture... without pot you might as well throw out all those great albums you have because they probably wouldn't exist
The so called "war on drugs" was lost many years ago.....yet there's still billions of dollars dumped into a lost cause every year. I'm reefering....er.....refering to marijuana specifically, btw. Decriminalization of said drug may well be the answer, as it would probably foster some measure of disinterest, and think of the money that would be saved that could be directed at much more pressing matters that never seem to get fixed or properly focused on(healthcare, education, etc.).
One of the biggest parts of the problem lies in the fact that it's "forbidden".....and we humans certainly find much intrigue in all things taboo! By comparison, alcohol and it's consumption is undoubtedly more deadly on a variety of obvious levels. I don't recall ever hearing of someone sparking up and smoking themselves into the mindset of "beating the crap out of someone".....
The government is placing too many restrictions that are not necessary. Im sick of people trying to censor me, and im sure you all are too. (note: i have not ever done drugs, but i still find the above a blatant restriction of my individual liberty). Im not offended by drug use and would eventually like to maybe dabble in it. But i dont know why people are so taboo.
- artie_fufkin - 04-10-2007 03:16 PM
whong Wrote:...By comparison, alcohol and it's consumption is undoubtedly more deadly on a variety of obvious levels. I don't recall ever hearing of someone sparking up and smoking themselves into the mindset of "beating the crap out of someone".....As I reflect, many of the active MJ smokers I've ever known simply stopped caring about things. No, they'd never get violent. They simply stopped caring. They needed to get jobs, but employers simply weren't interested in hiring them. They usually just wanted a place to crash the night - and STAYED. AND STAYED. And mooched, wouldn't get a job, ate all the groceries (especially the Twinkies and potato chips!), and sat around and watched TV. Soon, I realized they didn't care about paying their bills, and THAT was why they were "crashing" wherever a friend would let them do so.
So, I suppose, to ALL people who smoke MJ [OR drink too much, there's gonna be a problem. The problem has less to do with the substance of choice, and a LOT more to do with the individual's weakness (research is pointing at dopamine levels) to "feelgood" substances (which, I suppose, may some day include trans-fats?).
Anyway, I can't - AND WON'T condone MJ for anyone. And if I see posts here calling people to START smoking MJ, I will start posting to recommend against it. I don't want our community here to be known as one of a bunch of pot-heads, but one of level-heads. People from diverse backgrounds who all like Pink Floyd, but also like to discuss a variety of other topics. But, please... Let's be careful about these types of discussions; bored kids might be reading and get the wrong impressions.
- Grguitarfreek100 - 04-11-2007 04:46 PM
artie has a good point, but understand kids our age (im 17) have gotten alot of both ends of the conversation. Cevors been the most helpful, the people that have both good and bad points actually help alot.
- The Painter Piper and Prisoner - 04-11-2007 05:21 PM
i think its stupid and pointless, sure things are alot funnier when high, but its a waste of money, illegal ( if caught some time in the slammer ) and no decent girl wants a pothead!
- Echoes73 - 04-12-2007 05:29 AM
The Painter Piper and Prisoner Wrote:i think its stupid and pointless, sure things are alot funnier when high, but its a waste of money, illegal ( if caught some time in the slammer ) and no decent girl wants a pothead!There is NO time in the slammer unless your selling for one (at most you'll get a ticket for 50$). Being a pot head is different than being a user of cannabis, I understand that anything is a problem when you must use it every single day of your life. And as for no decent girl wanting a pot head my girlfriend is a straight A student, daughter of parents whom are both teachers and just an all around good person... And plus you make it sound that just because one smokes (me included) they are bad people, I have a high GPA and take many AP courses and I'm one of the nicest people anyone could ever meet and your gonna tell me that because I occasionally smoke with my friends, often to help with music and personal insight, that I am a bad person? I think you have become brainwashed by the anti drug propoganda of our modern government... Many countries have left substances which are illicit here unscheduled (pot included) and the don't have half as many problems as we do here so don't blame peoples actions on use of cannabis.
- artie_fufkin - 04-12-2007 05:14 PM
Echoes73 Wrote:E73, you've got a point... You won't get into a lot of trouble with the law if you're just DOING it. Same with athletes and steroids. Athletes who take steroids are at the TOP of their game, right? They take these steroids to have a competitive edge while playing sports, and they want to set sporting performance records, right? They do it to (paraphrasing) help with sports and personal achievement, right?The Painter Piper and Prisoner Wrote:i think its stupid and pointless, sure things are alot funnier when high, but its a waste of money, illegal ( if caught some time in the slammer ) and no decent girl wants a pothead!There is NO time in the slammer unless your selling for one (at most you'll get a ticket for 50$). Being a pot head is different than being a user of cannabis, I understand that anything is a problem when you must use it every single day of your life. And as for no decent girl wanting a pot head my girlfriend is a straight A student, daughter of parents whom are both teachers and just an all around good person... And plus you make it sound that just because one smokes (me included) they are bad people, I have a high GPA and take many AP courses and I'm one of the nicest people anyone could ever meet and your gonna tell me that because I occasionally smoke with my friends, often to help with music and personal insight, that I am a bad person? I think you have become brainwashed by the anti drug propoganda of our modern government... Many countries have left substances which are illicit here unscheduled (pot included) and the don't have half as many problems as we do here so don't blame peoples actions on use of cannabis.
But, alas, I don't condone illegal use of steroids, either. These are controlled substances with a proven track record (and side-effects), and some people (surely not ALL) are addicted to them (though most jocks would say, "They're NOT addictive!!!") - to some, the IDEA of being muscle-bound is something that they can't shake; they say, "Let's stack the up anavar, dianobol, and testosterone-cypionate, and pump some iron! MY liver won't suffer - I'll be so strong it won't matter!"
So, what's YOUR take on 'roids? think they ought to be legalized? Think they ought to be OTC? Think it's a "personal choice?" Think they're safe if taken in moderation? Think they're GOOD? Or am I comparing apples to oranges? Okay, I may well be comparing apples to oranges for the SUBSTANCES, but not for the PRECEDENT that would be made by legalizing either or both.
In Japan, last I saw, a Vicks inhaler is ILLEGAL. But Bron (codeine) cough syrup is an OTC medication. Also, there were "reds" and "blues" when I was there (never did 'em, don't recall what they were, but it seems they were uppers and downers of some sort); they were OTC, as well, but would have been illegal in the US. In Japan, if you had a Vicks inhaler there, you sure as Hell wouldn't *just* get a $50 fine! Go figure... MJ isn't the only issue at the Customs Checkpoint.
Sources:
http://www.passporthealthtampa.com/VicksInhaler12_6_05.html
http://amphetamines.com/bron/index.html
- Grguitarfreek100 - 04-12-2007 05:19 PM
e73 is right, dont condone the usage of drugs, but dont frown on people who occasionally use them, its their choice, why should you care. Sure when it becomes a daily ritual people can become very messed up, but responsibility is the key issue that should be pushed.
although e73, the anti drug propaganda of america is rediculously retarted. Like that stick figure and his retarted dog.
- artie_fufkin - 04-12-2007 06:15 PM
Grguitarfreek100 Wrote:...ALL propaganda is dumb. Then again, so are addicts. Ask the addicts if they thought the propaganda was SO dumb they HAD to try drugs instead... And ask these addicts if they'd rather see dumb commercials and pamphlets - or "satisfy" their pushers' friends at the next party to get the next fix. Bet they'd rather have the dumb commercials. How 'bout you? Personally, I've never had to deal with a pusher (thankfully), but I'm SURE the commercials (dumb as they can be) would be a LOT better.
although e73, the anti drug propaganda of america is rediculously retarted. Like that stick figure and his retarted dog.
- artie_fufkin - 04-14-2007 05:45 AM
artie_fufkin Wrote:...Hmmm... Nobody commented on these points. Maybe I'm too straight-laced for others to really take me seriously.
But, alas, I don't condone illegal use of steroids, either. ...
So, what's YOUR take on 'roids? ...
In Japan, last I saw, a Vicks inhaler is ILLEGAL. But Bron (codeine) cough syrup is an OTC medication. ... In Japan, if you had a Vicks inhaler there, you sure as Hell wouldn't *just* get a $50 fine! Go figure... MJ isn't the only issue at the Customs Checkpoint.
- rolanddoe - 04-14-2007 06:34 AM
artie_fufkin Wrote:I have an opinion on that. I think it has nothing to do with 4/20 or the related discussion about prohibition versus legalization of personal and private marijuana use.artie_fufkin Wrote:...Hmmm... Nobody commented on these points. Maybe I'm too straight-laced for others to really take me seriously.
But, alas, I don't condone illegal use of steroids, either. ...
So, what's YOUR take on 'roids? ...
In Japan, last I saw, a Vicks inhaler is ILLEGAL. But Bron (codeine) cough syrup is an OTC medication. ... In Japan, if you had a Vicks inhaler there, you sure as Hell wouldn't *just* get a $50 fine! Go figure... MJ isn't the only issue at the Customs Checkpoint.
I don't think there's even a solid parallel in a wider discussion but I won't elaborate here.
- TiedyeVikki - 04-14-2007 07:05 AM
artie_fufkin Wrote:Hmmm... maybe. :Dartie_fufkin Wrote:...Hmmm... Nobody commented on these points. Maybe I'm too straight-laced for others to really take me seriously.
But, alas, I don't condone illegal use of steroids, either. ...
So, what's YOUR take on 'roids? ...
In Japan, last I saw, a Vicks inhaler is ILLEGAL. But Bron (codeine) cough syrup is an OTC medication. ... In Japan, if you had a Vicks inhaler there, you sure as Hell wouldn't *just* get a $50 fine! Go figure... MJ isn't the only issue at the Customs Checkpoint.
Hey, I've been wondering about something, and a 420 thread seems like a good place to bring it up... I would like to take a vacation to Vancouver someday (Vansterdam, hehe), but lately I've been reading all these horror stories about crossing the border... and I'm not sure if it was getting in, getting out, or both... I imagine each has it's own issues. Things like being detained and searched for hours just for a seed, or for just looking wrong. Or being permanantly banned from Canada if they suspect you're entering to partake in the cannabis culture. And of course lots of drug dogs. The scariest thing I heard about was some sort of spray they spray on the inside of your windshield that detects THC residue... I guess you could drive a rental car, but still you never know what's been done in that car... or maybe scrub your own windows and hope it's good enough? Seems like once your there, almost anything goes... it's just that damn border crossing. If anyone here has any experience (post 9-11) or insight here, I'd appreciate the input. I know at least one regular here lives around there, hoping to hear from him. ???
--Vik
- artie_fufkin - 04-14-2007 08:36 AM
- artie_fufkin - 04-14-2007 08:40 AM
rolanddoe Wrote:...I don't think there's even a solid parallel in a wider discussion but I won't elaborate here.Probably not a solid parallel, but I do see a parallel about how the legalization issue COULD have some interesting comparisons.
But you're right - this thread probably wouldn't serve well for that function.
- rolanddoe - 04-14-2007 08:51 AM
- TiedyeVikki - 04-14-2007 09:29 AM
- Echoes73 - 04-14-2007 10:33 AM
"So, what's YOUR take on 'roids?"
I think roids should be legal but regulated by sports programs, It should be a persons individual choice what they put into their body (Something other countries agree on and whom have less drug problems than the U.S.).
And as far as government Anti-Drug Propoganda goes it is completely ineffective and rediculous. The adds are over exagerated at the least and I can verify that they actually impact many people to expirement with drugs rather than turn them down, so why is the government wasting their time and money... ???
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- artie_fufkin - 04-14-2007 02:07 PM
Echoes73 Wrote:"So, what's YOUR take on 'roids?"OK, here's some interesting info that CAN support your claim, and some that DOESN'T:
I think roids should be legal but regulated by sports programs, It should be a persons individual choice what they put into their body (Something other countries agree on and whom have less drug problems than the U.S.).
And as far as government Anti-Drug Propoganda goes it is completely ineffective and rediculous. The adds are over exagerated at the least and I can verify that they actually impact many people to expirement with drugs rather than turn them down, so why is the government wasting their time and money... ???
Study: Abstinence Classes Don't Stop Sex
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=3040149
...so, we see, propaganda can often be ineffective.
I can agree with that, as propaganda often is its own worse enemy.
Stallone charged in Australia over growth drugs
http://www.m
etimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070313-040328-8742r
...so, not JUST the US has an issue with steroids.
Deep down inside, I believe that steroids should ONLY be available via prescription, and any other method ought to be considered illegal. Same thing with MJ. As for punishments, I think they ought to carry similar (if not SAME) punishments.
As a note to ponder, regarding drug use in the UK, were you aware that, in the United Kingdom, the suicide rate for males between 15 and 24 has risen consistently since 1989?
Drug war extraordinaire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
So, MJ is LEGAL in SO MANY countries, but not in the U.S., right? Guess again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World-cannabis-laws.png
...you might be surprised BOTH directions!
By country, here's the drug market:
http://www.havocscope.com/country.htm
Honestly, I think that most people who argue for legalization are all reading some BS website full of misinformation - yet they say the "government conspiracy" is so obvious, and the "propoganda" [sic] is simply INcredible... Yet, they'll believe the notion that the US is just about the last nation to legalize it, and that Holland has no drug problem (tch, how much methadone maintenance do they have there??). *sigh* It's not NEAR as clear-cut as many of the "legalize" crowd makes it out to be.
As for the propaganda and the government "wasting its money," it's not THE GOVERNMENT'S money... it's the TAXPAYER'S money. If it was REALLY not working, don't you know that the incredibly wealthy (who pay a LOT MORE TAXES than YOU AND I COMBINED) would be raising holy Hell about such a waste? Neigh, I don't think the propaganda is a TOTAL waste. It keeps the awareness up, and that's good; keep the dilletante experimenters scared of trying it. As for those who WANT to try drugs, they'll do it NO MATTER what the commercials say; and those who are afraid to try it - they'll stay away.
- artie_fufkin - 04-14-2007 02:09 PM
- Superhuman - 04-14-2007 10:26 PM
so back on the subject of 420...
I'm probably gonna go get a new glass pipe this week and break it out on Friday. I might go to some wrestling thing my cousin and his friends are going to too.
- Echoes73 - 04-15-2007 07:21 AM
Superhuman Wrote:so back on the subject of 420...Eh don't get a new pipe, get a bong... shell out for a Zong or a Roor
I'm probably gonna go get a new glass pipe this week and break it out on Friday. I might go to some wrestling thing my cousin and his friends are going to too.