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- Kimbers Sheep - 10-04-2005 09:35 PM
Guys and gals, I'm gonna make, as the title says, a very simple announcement. It seems lately alot of the flaming comes about simply because of differing opinions, for example, one person loves such and such artist, the next person thinks they suck, suddenly people are getting ugly and totally forgetting two important things 1. Their opinion that they suck is just as legit and yours that they are God's gift and 2. Disagreements are fine, but must you call people names and insult them simply because they have a different viewponit from yours? We are all here hopefully for the same reason, to discuss PF and other interesting topics, not to fight and bicker constantly. Please, you wanna appear intelligent, then have intelligent conversations, stop nit picking about spelling and grammar, stop the name calling and be civil, understand that alot of people here come from different backgrounds and certainly have different thoughts than you might, instead of criticizing the different opinions, embrace them, learn from them, disagree all you want but please, respect the fact that everyone has different opinions
- Celestrial Voice - 10-04-2005 11:12 PM
I am glad this post was made, cause I agree.
- floydianyid - 10-04-2005 11:25 PM
I just read that exes thread and i thought it was a disgrace how AG and EGT124 were replied to.
AG's comment was just an opinion and didn't deserve those kind of responses.
- Steve Hill - 10-05-2005 04:37 AM
I agree that too many did gang up on them. However, AG should try to post in such a way as not to offend others though. He does it far too offten and I have told him to stop several times now, or at least think through what he is posting first.
Next time, his warning level gets incremented.
- PsychedelicLuciferSam - 10-06-2005 02:53 AM
I think that was very nicely put
- Woody1003 - 10-06-2005 08:39 AM
shouldn't this be locked? - just so it can be read, and not replied to :D
- Woody1003 - 10-06-2005 08:44 AM
was this inspired by the following threads:
Queen, the one where I said spelt, and also anything related to me? I do get angry, and I'm proud of it :D
Anger is a good thing now and then
- AndersonCouncill - 10-06-2005 01:06 PM
Where is the notebook? I posted a problem in there for help and now I'm gone for 3 days and its gone!
- Woody1003 - 10-06-2005 01:10 PM
Quickly, we can sort this out in three posts, what was the problem?
post no 1: what was/is the problem
post no 2: what the problem was/is
post no 3: a kinda solution to sort out the problem........
go for it.....
- AndersonCouncill - 10-06-2005 01:13 PM
WHERE IS THE NOTEBOOK!
- Woody1003 - 10-06-2005 01:15 PM
The Mods locked it becasue yet again, it went "out of hand."
I dont see anyway.....
then, later on they deleted it, to put this in......
end of story, to resolve the problem, I suggest waiting a few weeks, then creating a new one, and see if people treat it properly this time.
- Sydney - 10-07-2005 03:55 PM
All I can say in regard to the original message is Amen. All this name calling and putting down of others is senseless, just dumb. It stinks that sometimes what could be potientially good discussions are closed just because of arguments or drifting off topic. I hope that these problems become seldom now, that way we can all learn and discuss.
- wiez - 10-07-2005 04:27 PM
Well, I don't ususally read the notebook and I guess now I never will. Nice having a choice. I don't know what it was all about but that is how to suppress commentary, speech, rights. You lock it, ban it, burn it or kill it. Do I think the mods are heavy handed and out of control? HELL Ya! You deleted a complete sub topic! Are you for real????? Check yourselves. Step back and take a look. Jesus on a bike. WTF?
- Alternate Gilmour - 10-07-2005 05:04 PM
the notebooks were all hijacked and morphed into chat rooms.
a mod kept up the warnings before hitting delete.
- Jintzey - 10-07-2005 10:41 PM
wiez Wrote:Well, I don't ususally read the notebook and I guess now I never will. Nice having a choice. I don't know what it was all about but that is how to suppress commentary, speech, rights. You lock it, ban it, burn it or kill it. Do I think the mods are heavy handed and out of control? HELL Ya! You deleted a complete sub topic! Are you for real????? Check yourselves. Step back and take a look. Jesus on a bike. WTF?You are forgetting that wowser was the creator of the Notebook to begin with, and he can delete it if he wants. He tried deleting and restarting it several times but people kept ruining it. He probably outright gave up and decided not to restart it yet again. The mods are struggling to keep up with all the nonsense. We are not out of control; the users running rampant who can't follow a few simple rules to save their lives are. PFOnline has reassured us many times that we are doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing, so if you don't like it, go complain to him rather than badmouth us for doing exactly what he asked us to do. This is HIS site and he can run it however he wants. If you don't like it, why do you continue to use a site you despise so much? That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. It just makes it look like you enjoy complaining for the sake of complaining.
- wiez - 10-08-2005 06:16 AM
Please don't put words in my mouth. I really enjoy the site. I like the members who post their very interesting contributions and I don't dislike all of the mods either. What I appall is biased censorship for no other reason than misdirected power. If it was indeed wowser that deleted his thread, that is fine. It was his thread to delete. Please don't misunderstand me. I don't come here to praise the mods. I come here to read what the members have to say.
- wiez - 10-08-2005 06:20 AM
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
For other uses, see Community (disambiguation).
A community is an amalgamation of living things that share an environment. The individual living beings can be plant or animal; any species; any size. What characterizes a community is sharing and interaction in any number of ways. In human communities, intent, belief, resources, preferences, needs and a multitude of other conditions may be present and common, affecting the degree of adhesion within the mixture, but the definitive driver of community is that all individual subjects in the mix have something in common. This is even true in biological communities.
- Caravanserai - 10-08-2005 06:36 AM
wiez Wrote:Please don't put words in my mouth. I really enjoy the site. I like the members who post their very interesting contributions and I don't dislike all of the mods either. What I appall is biased censorship for no other reason than misdirected power. If it was indeed wowser that deleted his thread, that is fine. It was his thread to delete. Please don't misunderstand me. I don't come here to praise the mods. I come here to read what the members have to say.In case of the Notebook topic, deleting it can hardly be considered "censorship" or "suppressing commentary, speech, rights". If you had read the notebook topic, you would have seen that it mostly consisted of posts like " :D ", "who else's bored?" and other talk that belongs to chatroom. Had there been discussion about smaller topics and themes that don't deserve a thread of their own (which is how the topic was intended), it wouldn't have been deleted as a waste of space.
- Jintzey - 10-08-2005 06:55 AM
wiez Wrote:Please don't put words in my mouth. I really enjoy the site. I like the members who post their very interesting contributions and I don't dislike all of the mods either. What I appall is biased censorship for no other reason than misdirected power. If it was indeed wowser that deleted his thread, that is fine. It was his thread to delete. Please don't misunderstand me. I don't come here to praise the mods. I come here to read what the members have to say.Don't put words in my mouth either. No one ever asked you, or expects you, to praise the mods. We are not here for that nor do we want that. The problem is bashing the mods for doing exactly what PFOnline asked us to do. "Don't shoot the messenger." You (and others) are quick to criticize the mods and defend the ones getting dealt with, without fully understanding the situation. We are doing our jobs the way we were asked to do them. Accept it or leave.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-09-2005 04:22 PM
and to add to that, no personal attacks will be tolerated whether against the mods or another member, this is in the rules but I wanna make sure it's understood here, and STOP complaining and acting like 3 years old who got their pacifier taken away, if you don't like it here then leave, because I assure you we, the mods are not going anywhere and furthermore the rules are NOT going to change just to accomodate you and your beliefs. Personally, I don't care if you like me or not, BUT you will NOT disrespect me or any other mod on the board
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-09-2005 05:01 PM
NO, read it again, I said you (plural for people) were acting like 3 yrs old EVERY time a Mod did something they disagreed with, NO WHERE did I call anyone names, which is what is happening here, and calling me angry is simply trolling, my God, you guys criticize every move we make, get it thru your head, this board is run by very simple rules, not yours, but PFOnlines, I deleted a thread that was nonsense, it's my job, it is the members "job" to provide interesting topics for discussion within the guidelines, not to run the board or whine and moan eveytime we do something which they disagree with, as I've said before, you don't have to like it or even agree, but if you are gonna stay then you will follow the rules
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- pointmeatthesky - 10-09-2005 05:04 PM
Okay, i do not care about the thread being deleted, i do not care.
but just because it was directed at one individual doesn't mean it wasn't and insult. I knew i brought up a complaint like right before you posted that.
but who cares. I will never agree with you and you will never agree with me, so screw it.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-09-2005 05:12 PM
it's not about agreememt at all, it's about understanding and following the rules, you don't have to agree, you simply have to follow them
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-09-2005 07:30 PM
when you complain and question what the mods do then you ARE questioning the rules
- viewaskew - 10-09-2005 10:25 PM
Why was the person above you game locked?
- Space Cadet - 10-10-2005 01:15 AM
viewaskew Wrote:Why was the person above you game locked?It was God's will, I guess. :sleepy:
- Woof Oink Baaa - 10-10-2005 01:20 AM
God wants locked threads. :D
- Woof Oink Baaa - 10-10-2005 01:27 AM
:D
I can't wait till this gets locked. Maybe we should start talking about feces fetishes.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-10-2005 09:53 AM
it's not going to get locked, because some people have valueable things to say about th subject
- Jintzey - 10-10-2005 10:01 AM
We will however be making use of the pooper scooper.
- Jumpy - 10-10-2005 10:03 AM
People should clean up after themselves.
- Steve Hill - 10-10-2005 10:58 AM
I haven't been posting around here much over the last week, and seeing some of the posts here, I am reminded why.
I'm off again to post in some more mature forums, where people actually want to discuss rather than bitch about rules that they don't agree with, (then why are you here I may ask), and post the most pointless drivel. I'll be back tomorrow.
- Radio Slaver - 10-10-2005 12:11 PM
you'll have to tell me more about this forum steve, send me a pm.
- psychedelicsyd - 10-10-2005 12:32 PM
arn't rules made to be broken, or at the very least, bent, just like bush :D
- Woody1003 - 10-10-2005 01:50 PM
Steve, I thought you loved your beloved moderated forum, where you get to delete posts as you wish, and then you can bugger off to this so called heavenly forum. Well listen here matey, we are here to have a laugh, and if you cannot accept that then maybe you should go and eat som e ice cream and think about how boring it qoul be if we just talked about Pink Floyd 100%, and had many "civilised" comments whereby we suck up to each other.
Well, as you can see, you have locked the fun thread known as "the person above you game." BUT WHY DID YOU KEEP IT HERE? WHY? Why ddint you just delete and say it was getting out of hand, you manage to delete posts which you think are taking up loads of space, but you wont delete a million-page thread for that reason......sheesh people, are you all crazy?
Well, listen here, I have a post for you to delete:
Jintzey Wrote:We will however be making use of the pooper scooper.
- Pato - 10-10-2005 01:56 PM
Woody1003 Wrote:Steve, I thought you loved your beloved moderated forum, where you get to delete posts as you wish, and then you can bugger off to this so called heavenly forum. Well listen here matey, we are here to have a laugh, and if you cannot accept that then maybe you should go and eat som e ice cream and think about how boring it qoul be if we just talked about Pink Floyd 100%, and had many "civilised" comments whereby we suck up to each other.PERSON ABOVE YOU GAME has been deleted !!!!!!!!!??????????? :( ???
Well, as you can see, you have locked the fun thread known as "the person above you game." BUT WHY DID YOU KEEP IT HERE? WHY? Why ddint you just delete and say it was getting out of hand, you manage to delete posts which you think are taking up loads of space, but you wont delete a million-page thread for that reason......sheesh people, are you all crazy?
Well, listen here, I have a post for you to delete:
Jintzey Wrote:We will however be making use of the pooper scooper.
Well said, Woody. I agree with you.
- psychedelicsyd - 10-10-2005 03:36 PM
didnt know that the' person above you' thread is gone
(please continue, this, according to kimbers sheep, will not be locked....and its pinned :) )
please continue
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- The Fallen Hero - 10-10-2005 04:25 PM
To be honest Ive been very quiet here concerning all thats going on. I do want to say this much, those posts like :) or "who else's bored" is not reason to delete a topic like the notebook, which if im right was for posting "what you like." Well it seemed like a thread to just post whatever. There is no specific good that comes out of a post, no reqrd for most posts, nothing. So it's not as though people are posting just to say "I gotta be the best." They are simply posting for the amusement of themselves and others and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, nothing. However, when arguemenhts become verbal fights that get vicious, then a line needs to be drawn. There are certain incidents where someone starts an arguement and then later on sucks up to the mods or other people with authority and then looks all sweet and good. In my opinion, arguements should be stopped only after they have foul language. There's nothing wrong with speaking out against mods however. I disagree with certain people and I come out and tell them, thats whats going on here. And in my opinion there's nothing wrong with a little compromise.
I think its easy, we need a team for the people and a team for the mods to find a compromise, then we need a forum called Fight Club for debates! :p
*note the 1st part of my post was serious, as well as half of the second*
- wiez - 10-10-2005 05:19 PM
Well first of all, this thread won't be locked or deleted because it was started by a mod. But I gather the pooper scooper comment alludes to censorship or whatever you choose to call it. The notebook was to post anything you wanted. I guess whatever you wanted wasn't necessarily something that someone else wanted. Outside the wall is supposed to be for topics not related to Floyd, or am I mistaken? What might be drival to you, might be downright entertaining to me.
- The Fallen Hero - 10-10-2005 05:20 PM
Well they just locked the topic about the word retard, nothing was going wrong there, nothing, it was a discussion of the use of a word and its political correctness. That was inappropriate
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-10-2005 05:24 PM
Guys and Gals, the whole problem is very simple, the majority of disagreements here are with us because we close or delete a thread which someone thinks should have stayed open.....but here's the whole issue in a nutshell, it's not your board, you don't make the rules, and while you are welcome to disagree with them you still have to follow them if you want to stay here, God, I feel I've said that 200 times now, so, bottom line, complaining will do NO GOOD, if you hate it that much then leave, because this is NOT a democracy, it is a private board run by one person who decided on the rules and then told us, the Mods, to inforce them, and although you cannot read it I promise you there is a topic in the Mods Lounge where said owner is telling us that we are doing a fine job and he appreciates the hard work we have put into bringing the board back under control, and that anyone who cannot follow the rules is simply unwelcome here
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-10-2005 05:27 PM
wiez Wrote:Well first of all, this thread won't be locked or deleted because it was started by a mod. But I gather the pooper scooper comment alludes to censorship or whatever you choose to call it. The notebook was to post anything you wanted. I guess whatever you wanted wasn't necessarily something that someone else wanted. Outside the wall is supposed to be for topics not related to Floyd, or am I mistaken? What might be drival to you, might be downright entertaining to me.Good God, HOW MANY TIMES and in how many ways must we explain the Notebook, it was for topics, TOPICS that is, that were too small or too likely to die out in a day or so, NOT to be you guys personal chatroom, as far as the "pooper scooper" comment it was mostly about posts I deleted concerning feces, but it is relevant, we will delete anything we feel breaks the rules
- The Fallen Hero - 10-10-2005 05:29 PM
To let you know I wasn't trying to take a shot, a low shot in any way, I was stating my opinion. Ive stayed quiet on it, and I plan to remain quiet on it. Im not trying to make this a democracy, nor do I truly care. I agree with lots of things you have done, disagree with some as well, I havent said anything about it and I think that when I have Ive been as respectful as possible and have not done anything wrong. As I reread my post, it does sound directed in a vindictive manner, I won't edit it because then your post will look unncessary.
I still think however that what I said about possibly, ever so slightly changing the ways certain things are done wouldn't be so bad. However, until it is agreed to attempt this i will keep it to mahself
- Jintzey - 10-10-2005 07:35 PM
The Fallen Hero & wiez:
How many times must we repeat ourselves before it gets through to your heads?
The author of topics can delete their own topics if they want. The author of the Notebook was wowser, NOT you, and it became something he didn't intend. Deleting and restarting the Notebook is nothing new, we've been doing it for quite some time, but perhaps you guys are too new to know this. It has never been an issue before and it should not be an issue now. The kind of behavior we've seen on this forum lately just further encouraged wowser not to restart the Notebook this time. The more you all act like this, the more it shows us things have to be done this way.
Most other forums I've used would have banned many of you long ago rather than put up with this nonsense. You complain we're being too hard, when in reality we are being quite lenient, and it's starting to look like we've been TOO lenient. "You give them an inch, and they go a mile" - so true.
- Jintzey - 10-10-2005 07:51 PM
The Fallen Hero Wrote:To let you know I wasn't trying to take a shot, a low shot in any way, I was stating my opinion. Ive stayed quiet on it, and I plan to remain quiet on it. Im not trying to make this a democracy, nor do I truly care. I agree with lots of things you have done, disagree with some as well, I havent said anything about it and I think that when I have Ive been as respectful as possible and have not done anything wrong. As I reread my post, it does sound directed in a vindictive manner, I won't edit it because then your post will look unncessary.As Kimbers Sheep already said, we have already discussed this with PFOnline and he reassured us we are doing exactly as we should. He does not wish to change his rules to suit those that don't like them, so they stand as they are. This is PFOnline's decision - not yours and not ours (the moderators). Complaining about it won't do any good and will only make it worse. PFOnline can do what he wants with his site - deal with it or leave, simple logic.
I still think however that what I said about possibly, ever so slightly changing the ways certain things are done wouldn't be so bad. However, until it is agreed to attempt this i will keep it to mahself
Again, how many times must we repeat ourselves? Are we talking to a brick wall? PFOnline made a public announcement to everyone that we are doing our jobs properly and if you don't like it you can leave, so this matter should be closed. In case you missed it, HERE IT IS.
- viewaskew - 10-10-2005 07:59 PM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:Guys and Gals, the whole problem is very simple, the majority of disagreements here are with us because we close or delete a thread which someone thinks should have stayed open.....but here's the whole issue in a nutshell, it's not your board, you don't make the rules, and while you are welcome to disagree with them you still have to follow them if you want to stay here, God, I feel I've said that 200 times now, so, bottom line, complaining will do NO GOOD, if you hate it that much then leave, because this is NOT a democracy, it is a private board run by one person who decided on the rules and then told us, the Mods, to inforce them, and although you cannot read it I promise you there is a topic in the Mods Lounge where said owner is telling us that we are doing a fine job and he appreciates the hard work we have put into bringing the board back under control, and that anyone who cannot follow the rules is simply unwelcome hereAlright well I think there somthing Im missing here. So did they add new rules or somthing cause the person above you game has been here for a long time and remember when I first joined the forums people were saying ramdom stuff because they were bored and no one get rid of it. I understand people make bad posts but thats no reason to lock a thread just edit there post and say what they did wrong. Also what rules are you talking about? And another thing why did you lock the Big Post Count Thread, If you ask Me it doesnt encourge people to post just for a post people did that anyway when they see things such as wowsers 9000 posts and stuff like that(I know I used to do that back when I first joined).
And Please dont say you broke the rules could you please state which ones. Also can you tell us when a Thread or post is dealted cause its very confusing looking through pages on PFO and not finding your topic.
Also did someone delete my 400 Pages gone Thread or cant I not find it. And if it was deleted I would like to know why and what rules I broke.
:D
- Jintzey - 10-10-2005 09:59 PM
I don't know what happened to your thread, but we don't have that kind of time or energy to, nor are we required to, document every little thing we do. Bottom line, PFOnline supports everything we've been doing so that's all the justification we need. He's the only one we would ever need to provide an explanation for, and so far he hasn't asked us for one because he says we are doing the right thing.
Sometimes excessively large threads just simply need to be pruned to save on server space so PFOnline doesn't get another $300 web hosting bill. If everyone here ran websites like this, your opinions on how poorly this board is run would likely quickly change (unless $300 per month means nothing to you and you're too rich to care, heck, you could make car payments for less than that). PFOnline pays a lot of money out of his pocket to provide a free service to all of us because of his love for Pink Floyd, so no one really has any room for complaints here.
If certain posts really are that precious to you, you should use the "Print this Topic" button so you have a copy to save and review any time you like. Server space is limited, and in order for this forum to grow and stay interesting, the older and less interesting stuff simply must be removed to make room for the new stuff.
If you want to chat, join the chat room rather than putting a heavy load on the server with forum posts that are better suited to a chat room and will end up getting deleted anyway. Every time you click a link or post a message, it costs PFOnline money. Even deleting posts costs PFOnline money, but it's cheaper to do that than to allow the posts to remain forever. If you had to pay for every action you made on this site, I guarantee the activity would severely decrease. Posting in the chat room doesn't cost PFOnline a single penny, so you can say all you want in there and not burden PFOnline's server and bank account.
Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp? It seems like simple straight logic to me.
- Caravanserai - 10-10-2005 10:35 PM
viewaskew Wrote:Alright well I think there somthing Im missing here. So did they add new rules or somthing cause the person above you game has been here for a long time and remember when I first joined the forums people were saying ramdom stuff because they were bored and no one get rid of it. I understand people make bad posts but thats no reason to lock a thread just edit there post and say what they did wrong. Also what rules are you talking about? And another thing why did you lock the Big Post Count Thread, If you ask Me it doesnt encourge people to post just for a post people did that anyway when they see things such as wowsers 9000 posts and stuff like that(I know I used to do that back when I first joined).On the Big Post Count thread:
And Please dont say you broke the rules could you please state which ones. Also can you tell us when a Thread or post is dealted cause its very confusing looking through pages on PFO and not finding your topic.
Also did someone delete my 400 Pages gone Thread or cant I not find it. And if it was deleted I would like to know why and what rules I broke.
:D
If you think that the Big Post Count thread does not encourage people to post just for posting, then maybe that's the reason why you don't understand why some other topics were locked/deleted. In the aforementioned topic, there was absolutely no real discussion. Or do you think that posts like "This" "be" "post" "500" are really interesting for anybody a valuable?
As for the rules, you are supposed to read them when you join the forum, so you should know what rules does this break. Spamming anyone?
Besides, this is a forum and not a chatroom (which, again, is elsewhere on this site). Posting just for posting and no discussion does not belong here. There are pinned guidelines especially for the Outside The Wall forum that I thought most reasonable people wouldn't have problems with. But I was wrong.
EDIT
And for everybody's information, the Person Above You topic is now deleted because it grew too big and it is not that kind of topic which deserves to be stored here, just like notebook was being restarted from time to time, Person Above You Game can be restarted too in case it does not turn into another chatroom, which it did last time.
We are now just leaving the locked topics locked for some time before deleting so that everybody can see what kind of talk went on there.
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- viewaskew - 10-11-2005 11:16 AM
Alright Well I know what you mean and thank you for enlighting me. Maybe We could start the notebook back up and who ever doesnt follow the rules gets a waring and maybe when threads get to big we can delete them each month
P.S wheres my You Send It Thread I know its not aloud to post music here but we do it through e-mail so whats the deal. And if that is the reason why'd you take so long?
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- Kimbers Sheep - 10-11-2005 05:59 PM
the "you send it" thread was deleted because a few people started talking about trading commercial releases, even if you handle such discussions via PM there still can be NO talk whatsoever about trading commercial releases here on the board
- viewaskew - 10-11-2005 08:55 PM
Right when I posted somtihng in the ban vs ban thrtead I said thats almost of them right and a screen poped up and it said there was a problem werid isnt it
- Steve Hill - 10-12-2005 12:24 PM
Caravanserai Wrote:As for the rules, you are supposed to read them when you join the forum, so you should know what rules does this break.Nobody has the excuse, when you join you are sent a pm either telling you the rules, or inviting you to read them before posting, (I forget which, it has been some time now). Either way, ignorance is not an excuse.
i would also like to say regarding the number of topics that had thus far been left untouched and now are being locked/deleted, when we had one or two topics that decended into chit chat, it was annoying, but controlable. At least you could ignore those ones and post in other topics that had substance and you knew the meaningless posting was confined. Now it seems you go to any topic and it is taken over by pointless posting, not only that but you also click "Outside The Wall" and are confronted with a page full of topics that are near identical cloned topics, ("Coin vs Coin", "Official bore of the board" and "Advertise my gerbil"), or ones that are so rediculous, only those who like to behave immature, but fly off the handle when you actually call them that, post there. Every time you raise a topic about something interesting, something that will spark off a short discussion, it gets buried under all these other semi-topics.
- psychedelicsyd - 10-12-2005 12:29 PM
steve, i had a topic deleted and im awestruck over it. i never meant to have anything censored by posting. it was about me just wondering about the ban on twolostsouls and ff getting a third box. i havnt been here recently and i have read through the posts and i cant see why. it was a personal question for me and i meant no harm by it
- wiez - 10-12-2005 01:18 PM
twolostsoulds was banned? Anyone know why?
- paulintheflesh - 10-12-2005 01:20 PM
His last post has been deleted from the forums. What ever he said must have been pretty bad
- AndersonCouncill - 10-12-2005 01:21 PM
Twolostsouls was a great member. One post shouldn't be enough to ban him.
- wiez - 10-12-2005 01:27 PM
Jintzey Wrote:The Fallen Hero & wiez:[quote]
How many times must we repeat ourselves before it gets through to your heads?
The author of topics can delete their own topics if they want. The author of the Notebook was wowser, NOT you, and it became something he didn't intend. Deleting and restarting the Notebook is nothing new, we've been doing it for quite some time, but perhaps you guys are too new to know this. It has never been an issue before and it should not be an issue now. The kind of behavior we've seen on this forum lately just further encouraged wowser not to restart the Notebook this time. The more you all act like this, the more it shows us things have to be done this way.
Most other forums I've used would have banned many of you long ago rather than put up with this nonsense. You complain we're being too hard, when in reality we are being quite lenient, and it's starting to look like we've been TOO lenient. "You give them an inch, and they go a mile" - so true.
Is this what the board has become?
- Woody1003 - 10-12-2005 01:28 PM
the board has gone to ruins, we all recognise that.
(wow this is a lame reply, sorry wiez to bore you, I'm quite tired :( )
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- paulintheflesh - 10-12-2005 01:29 PM
Agreed :(
- AndersonCouncill - 10-12-2005 01:30 PM
I agree with Jintzey. The boards run to hell and it took the mods too long to lay down the law. Of course their will be undeserving casualities. But look at the state of the board before the mods took back control. It was s*hit.
And for the benefit of younger posters, I've continued editing my own posts instead of cheating and making them clear.
- wiez - 10-12-2005 01:32 PM
paulintheflesh Wrote:His last post has been deleted from the forums. What ever he said must have been pretty badNot necessarily. I have had my posts deleted for no reason at all. One post regarding the movie Fight Club was deleted 3 times. Another one asking if other people had trouble posting was also deleted. Nothing inappropriate was in either one. So the assumption that he must have posted something bad is simply not believable. Given the recent track record, I would highly doubt it.
- AndersonCouncill - 10-12-2005 01:34 PM
Well, your Fight Club thread was a replica of an already established thread (not saying you did it intentionally). And you shouldn't start a whole thread for "trouble posting". You do realize someone must pay for this board, right? There is not unlimited bandwhidth.
- paulintheflesh - 10-12-2005 01:35 PM
wiez Wrote:...You're right. What did he do mods? What did he do to deserve a banning? ???paulintheflesh Wrote:His last post has been deleted from the forums. What ever he said must have been pretty badNot necessarily. I have had my posts deleted for no reason at all. One post regarding the movie Fight Club was deleted 3 times. Another one asking if other people had trouble posting was also deleted. Nothing inappropriate was in either one. So the assumption that he must have posted something bad is simply not believable. Given the recent track record, I would highly doubt it.
- Woody1003 - 10-12-2005 01:36 PM
If we could just know what he did, this may stop, just tell us.......
- paulintheflesh - 10-12-2005 01:37 PM
The moderators being signed on would help too. :(
- AndersonCouncill - 10-12-2005 01:38 PM
We all know that the mods have been banning a lot and deleting a lot and locking a lot and whatever but the truth is the board had gone to hell weeks before all that started. ScreamThyLastScream's banning wasn't the beginning of the board dying, it just seems to be the excuse users have to treat moderators like dirt. They have a duty, and the fact is that the board does have guidelines. They are simply doing what they have been instructed to do.
- wiez - 10-12-2005 01:48 PM
Andy, I need to respond to you. First of all regarding donations. The behaviour of the mods really does not entice me to contribute. I am cautious of contributing online but I had been thinking about it. Then I was also reminded in a recent post that I was a new member (since April 2005) therefore I was ignorant of how the board worked. I do realize that I enjoy coming to the board to read what the members are posting. I am guilty of that. I enjoyed what Martin had to say, as well as twolostsouls, price of teaand a slice. If the board really welcomes contributions, it would seem to me that they would also welcome a members posts. Thank You
- viewaskew - 10-12-2005 01:49 PM
This will help anwser why mods delete threads:
Quote:Hi everyone,
We had the rules put in place to keep this board a friendly place to visit, and I assure you the moderators are only trying to do their job.
Please put yourselves in their shoes, it's not always an easy task to try and keep everything in order...
This board was meant to be a fun and friendly place to talk about Pink Floyd, not get into politics and arguments.
Sure, sometimes there will be disagreements, and that is to be expected, but we ask that you please just be kind and respect others opinions.
The only solution I can come up with is that any posts from now on that have to do with "board politics", or arguments, will simply be deleted.
Remember, every post takes up space on our server. Let's use this space wisely, like for quality post's and enjoyable conversations... Not arguments where nothing gets solved, and nobody ever "wins".
We'd love to keep you, but if you find the rules to difficult to follow, their are other Pink Floyd message boards out there.
Hope everyone understands.
Now lets just get back to talkin about Floyd and havin' fun!
Thanks.
Cheers,
PFOnline
- psychedelicsyd - 10-12-2005 01:54 PM
twolostsouls broke the rules. so did scream and the price. they had a tale to tell, and got banned because the rules of the board went against what they said. its that simple. mods are here to enforce rules. and we all read them. push a mod to far and he/she will ban you. scream did that. i dont know about the price and two lost souls, but they banned them because they broke rules. we may agree or disagree on this. i disagree with the bannings of twolostsouls (and from what i seen) theprice. but as refferees, mods have to show the red card. but a few yellows wouldnt go amiss. :(
- EGT124 - 10-12-2005 06:50 PM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:We all know that the mods have been banning a lot and deleting a lot and locking a lot and whatever but the truth is the board had gone to hell weeks before all that started. ScreamThyLastScream's banning wasn't the beginning of the board dying, it just seems to be the excuse users have to treat moderators like dirt. They have a duty, and the fact is that the board does have guidelines. They are simply doing what they have been instructed to do.Agreed. People seem to jump on the band wagon when the banning of Scream caused people to think that the mods were being too harsh. This board will slowly recuperate, but it'll take a while.
- Caravanserai - 10-12-2005 11:18 PM
In case you don't know, Twolostsouls was banned for spamming - posting one message linking to some website on like 20 different topics - all of it was deleted.
- FelicityKendall'sUnderwear - 10-12-2005 11:27 PM
Yeah, twolostsouls deserved to get banned. I was on the board last night, and I swear, EVERY topic that I went to, he had posted the link to a website, and that's it. It wasn't like he wrote something in relation to what the topic was about; he just wrote down the website. Like he just went through every topic and wrote down his website. That was really rude.
- pic3789 - 10-13-2005 01:38 PM
yea i dont see why people can't obey the rules. for example, you go to a friends house. his mom tells you to take off your shoes. do you take off your shoes? of course you do, because it's not your place to make your own rules. in this case the mom would represent the mod/admin and you are just a little member who if you dont obey the rules they will get angry at you and eventually kick you out of the house/board. you didn't make the rules of the house, the mom did. none of us made the rules of the board, PFOnline did. i think it's a pretty easy concept to comprehend.
- Space Cadet - 10-15-2005 06:25 AM
You know what I have to say?
http://tbone.redeaglespirit.com/archives/Poop%20on%20the%20Potty.jpg
- wiez - 10-15-2005 06:34 AM
My response to PIC.....MANY have broken NO rules and yet have had their posts and threads deleted. Ask Pato. Ask me. Member come here to read what other members posts. Many of these posts are appropriate and reasonable, yet are deleted. J on a bike man. WAKE UP!!!!!!
- Pato - 10-15-2005 06:54 AM
wiez Wrote:My response to PIC.....MANY have broken NO rules and yet have had their posts and threads deleted. Ask Pato. Ask me. Member come here to read what other members posts. Many of these posts are appropriate and reasonable, yet are deleted. J on a bike man. WAKE UP!!!!!!Agree, Wiez. The mods are taking their jobs too seriously !! :;):
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-15-2005 10:54 AM
wiez Wrote:My response to PIC.....MANY have broken NO rules and yet have had their posts and threads deleted. Ask Pato. Ask me. Member come here to read what other members posts. Many of these posts are appropriate and reasonable, yet are deleted. J on a bike man. WAKE UP!!!!!!broken no rules as the rules are interpreted by you....but, you aren't a Mod, we are, so if we delete something it HAS broken the rules
- Pato - 10-15-2005 01:30 PM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:CENSORSHIP !!!!!!!!!!!wiez Wrote:My response to PIC.....MANY have broken NO rules and yet have had their posts and threads deleted. Ask Pato. Ask me. Member come here to read what other members posts. Many of these posts are appropriate and reasonable, yet are deleted. J on a bike man. WAKE UP!!!!!!broken no rules as the rules are interpreted by you....but, you aren't a Mod, we are, so if we delete something it HAS broken the rules
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-15-2005 01:36 PM
as has been stated many times, this is not a democracy, it is a private board
- Pato - 10-15-2005 02:15 PM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:as has been stated many times, this is not a democracy, it is a private boardDICTATORSHIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-15-2005 02:17 PM
if you don't like it LEAVE, God, what is some peoples problems with following the rules, please read what pic3789 said earlier, so very apt
- Woody1003 - 10-16-2005 05:03 AM
EEEVILLLL
Well many posts have been deleted wrongly, but theres nothing we can do about it, so lets drop it.
- wiez - 10-16-2005 06:08 AM
No I am not a mod. I would be ashamed to admitt it here. If I were I would delete this thread in a heartbeat. And yes, one or two of my posts BROKE NO RULES. Anytime you have a membership, you have a responsibility to that membership which is sorely lacking here.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-16-2005 09:25 AM
weiz,and everyone else who is unclear, what about my previous post did you not understand? I thought I made it pretty clear. Obviously I didn't, so I'll try again, while it MAY not have broken any rules in YOUR eyes, it DID break a rule in the mods eyes, and whether you agree or not truly does not matter, we are in this position because the owner of the site hand-picked EVERY one of us to take care of his board, and he has told us time and time again that we are doing a great job, so....instead of constantly complaining here about us why don't you complain to him? People want to complain and villify us for doing our jobs, I don't understand it, read what pic3789 posted, OMG so very apt, you would NEVER attempt to overrule your friends mother about rules in her house (at least not to her face) but you believe that here you have free reign to say and do as you please...you don't, and lastly I assure you many of the mods are really getting tired of it, PFOnline has told us to not even respond, simply delete offending comments and if people continue to post such to warn them, and if necessary ban them, we are trying to take a middle ground, it is way too time consuming for us to constantly explain ourselves, although we do often attempt to if asked politely in PM, so bottom line, and to reiterate, the rules are interpreted by us, not you, you don't have to agree, but IF you want to stay here you DO have to follow them
- wiez - 10-16-2005 10:08 AM
Kimbers, I certainly never asked you to explain yourself. Your actions and words are self explanatory. Nor will I respond any longer to any of your posts. Fair enough? Less is more. Having said that, please keep in mind any any further posts I make have absolutely nothing to do with you. Please don't assume they would.
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- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 10:10 AM
Why is everyone still fighting? ???
- psychedelicsyd - 10-16-2005 10:18 AM
why was the thraed 'remaking the wall' locked. it was a genuine thread on pink floyd fans remaking of the wall. the band could have highlighted this site at all thier gigs. instead of being locked, why was'nt it moved? after all, it was one of the most amazing threads i have read this year.
there was no bad language, no one strayed fro the topic, and it was a proven thread that fans can use this board to realise thier dreams. and then it was locked.
im nearly on my 900th post, and it beggars belief as to why you locked the thread. it belongs on the board. and it belongs in that part of the forum. they are going to be atribute band from this site, and you shot the idea down at a click of a mouse.
i hope you have realised what you have done, kimbers sheep. i respect all mods on this site, but i have to voice my disapproval at your action on this.
keith.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-16-2005 10:26 AM
can you read? If so then explain how what I posted did not get thru? and weiz, I could care less if you respond, but when the rules are broken I assure you I WILL respond, and EVERYONE pls re-read what I posted, I'm not sure how I could be misunderstood but it seems I have, I post a thread explaining our viewponit on deleting and questioning and the very next post is pychedelicsyd questioning a mods actions once again, Good God people!
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- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 10:27 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:OK...let's try and keep this for bands that actuially play, not ones who are making plans, please, do that in PM
Tribute Forum Wrote:Pink Floyd tribute bands, records, and cover versions of songs discussion. Post reviews of shows, talk about your favorite tribute bands, records and covers of songs!
I'm not siding with anyone, but here's some quotes
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- psychedelicsyd - 10-16-2005 10:31 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:can you read? If so then explain how what I posted did not get thru?thats very rude. i resent that remark.
that post belonged in that part of the forum. the 'do this through pm' part of your statement went against what the mods are for. everyone in that thread respected the rules of posting. why don't you show some respect to us and stop giving rude replies and locking topics. you are only bring other members to answer your actions.
i am not questioning rules, i am questioning your reply to me and for locking and deleting posts and threads for nothing.
i know you are a reasonable bloke through your pms to me. so i trust you can show me the same respect as you can do in your pms to me.
thank you
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- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 10:34 AM
psychedelicsyd Wrote:He's right Kimbers, that was pretty rude. And can you please stop being anonymous? Hiding doesn't help you fight.Kimbers Sheep Wrote:can you read? If so then explain how what I posted did not get thru?thats very rude.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-16-2005 10:44 AM
I don't care if I'm rude, I'm fed up with the whining and moaning about every little thing the mods do which some of you don't agree with. So, one more time, if you don't like our interpretation of the rules then LEAVE. Some of you certainly get it, yet others are totally convinced that they "know" the rules and it doesn't matter what we say cause thier version of the rules is right, ours is wrong, it's mind boggling to me how you can come into "someone elses house" and insist that you don't have to follow the rules or insist that it is your "right" to complain about the rules, as far as my status that is ABSOLUTLY not your concern, and for what I hope is the last time, in YOUR mind the threads might be locked or deleted for no reason, BUT I ASSURE you we have a reason, the reason being it broke one rule or another, not your rules, but PFOnline's
- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 10:52 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:1.I don't care if I'm rude, I'm fed up with the whining and moaning about every little thing the mods do which some of you don't agree with. So, one more time, if you don't like our interpretation of the rules then LEAVE. Some of you certainly get it, yet others are totally convinced that they "know" the rules and it doesn't matter what we say cause thier version of the rules is right, ours is wrong, it's mind boggling to me how you can come into "someone elses house" and insist that you don't have to follow the rules or insist that it is your "right" to complain about the rules, 2.as far as my status that is ABSOLUTLY not your concern, and for what I hope is the last time, in YOUR mind the threads might be locked or deleted for no reason, 3.BUT I ASSURE you we have a reason, the reason being it broke one rule or another, not your rules, but PFOnline's1. Are you rude to everyone you know or just us?
2. I understand and will not question your visible status
3. I understand this as well but I'm fighting because YOU ARE BEING RUDE. Two wrongs don't make a right
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- psychedelicsyd - 10-16-2005 11:00 AM
i never knew that mods owned 'this house'. so you are mummy and daddy to us. dont shout or whine or you will go to the romm. dont ask dodgy questions because you will belittle us. dont moan about us or we will kick you out.
let me tell you something. i am an adult. and i do not deserve to be spoken to in such a way. i am also a life long fan of pink floyd. i am sure that if any member of the band saw your remarks to me, they would be stunned.
roger wrote an album called 'the wall' from a spitting incident with a fan. will you write such an epic for speaking to another pink floyd fan like you just did.
why cant you realise that you are just mods on an internet site. and your actions have to be questioned when you are wrong. to us, you are the models for this site. you keep it running and you lay down rules not laws. so when you do something wrong in our eyes, is it not feasible to get a reaction from a member and work on why the member got that reaction, instead of being derogatory and rude to people, only making matters worse for the board.
i am asking you to reconsider your action of locking this thread. if you do not, at least give us the viable answer from pfonline himself on as to why the thread should be locked. there are a lot of members aggrieved over your action. and they would like a pleasant and grown up answer as to why the thread was locked. and at this stage, i think they would like it from pfonline himself.
thank you
keith
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-16-2005 11:12 AM
then msg him, and if you are an adult, then act like one, understand that we inforce the rules, we are not, as is stated in the rules, required to answer as to why topics were deleted or closed, everyone here agreed to abide by the rules when they signed on, not your rules, not what you think the rules should be, but the rules as defined by PFOnline and handed down to us, as far as my being rude how would you like it if everytime you did something at work, someone else, who is NOT your boss, constantly criticized by snide comments, out and out name-calling and constantly going behind your back and attempting to undermine your actions? I imagine eventually you'd get rude as well. And I notice that it's OK for some of you to do this, but when we call you out on it and/or slap your wrist suddenly it's a huge deal, OMG, I can't believe a Mod was rude to us, nice double standard there. I assure you these conversations are taking place in the Mods lounge, I assure you our patience is wearing real thin, and I assure you, I am trying, as best I can, in as simple language as possible, our viewpoiunts, PFOnline himself told us to simply delete such threads, I'm trying to walk a middle ground and explain, but you refuse to listen, you are intent that your vision of the rules is better than ours, and yes, for all intensive purposes this is our house, PFOnline owns it, and has "hired" us to take care of it, our sole responsibility is not one or two or even three members attitudes, it is to provide a friendly place where discussion about actual topics can take place, not to provide you with a chatroom and give you free reign of the house, as I stsed way too many times, you don't HAVE to agree, but you do have to obey the rules, not yours, not yours, and not yours, but PFOnlines
- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 11:18 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:then msg him, and if you are an adult, then act like one, understand that we inforce the rules, we are not, as is stated in the rules, required to answer as to why topics were deleted or closed, everyone here agreed to abide by the rules when they signed on, not your rules, not what you think the rules should be, but the rules as defined by PFOnline and handed down to us, 1.as far as my being rude how would you like it if everytime you did something at work, someone else, who is NOT your boss, constantly criticized by snide comments, out and out name-calling and constantly going behind your back and attempting to undermine your actions? I imagine eventually you'd get rude as well. And I notice that it's OK for some of you to do this, but when we call you out on it and/or slap your wrist suddenly it's a huge deal, 2.OMG, I can't believe a Mod was rude to us, nice double standard there. I assure you these conversations are taking place in the 3.Mods lounge, I assure you our patience is wearing real thin, and I assure you, I am trying, as best I can, in as simple language as possible, our viewpoiunts, PFOnline himself told us to simply delete such threads, I'm trying to walk a middle ground and explain, but you refuse to listen, you are intent that your vision of the rules is better than ours, and yes, for all intensive purposes this is our house, PFOnline owns it, and has "hired" us to take care of it, our sole responsibility is not one or two or even three members attitudes, it is to provide a friendly place where discussion about actual topics can take place, not to provide you with a chatroom and give you free reign of the house, as I stsed way too many times, you don't HAVE to agree, but you do have to obey the rules, not yours, not yours, and not yours, but PFOnlines1. I probably wouldn't like it but I would at least try to be civil and word my argument so I wouldn't sound RUDE
2. I can believe it
3. Lounge? That sounds interesting, tell me more...
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- psychedelicsyd - 10-16-2005 11:27 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:then msg him, and if you are an adult, then act like one, understand that we inforce the rules, we are not, as is stated in the rules, required to answer as to why topics were deleted or closed, everyone here agreed to abide by the rules when they signed on, not your rules, not what you think the rules should be, but the rules as defined by PFOnline and handed down to us, as far as my being rude how would you like it if everytime you did something at work, someone else, who is NOT your boss, constantly criticized by snide comments, out and out name-calling and constantly going behind your back and attempting to undermine your actions? I imagine eventually you'd get rude as well. And I notice that it's OK for some of you to do this, but when we call you out on it and/or slap your wrist suddenly it's a huge deal, OMG, I can't believe a Mod was rude to us, nice double standard there. I assure you these conversations are taking place in the Mods lounge, I assure you our patience is wearing real thin, and I assure you, I am trying, as best I can, in as simple language as possible, our viewpoiunts, PFOnline himself told us to simply delete such threads, I'm trying to walk a middle ground and explain, but you refuse to listen, you are intent that your vision of the rules is better than ours, and yes, for all intensive purposes this is our house, PFOnline owns it, and has "hired" us to take care of it, our sole responsibility is not one or two or even three members attitudes, it is to provide a friendly place where discussion about actual topics can take place, not to provide you with a chatroom and give you free reign of the house, as I stsed way too many times, you don't HAVE to agree, but you do have to obey the rules, not yours, not yours, and not yours, but PFOnlinesbut ia m obeying the rules. and so was everyone in that thread. why did you let it go on for so long if you thought it shouldn't be there in the first place? in your eyes, you who make the rules and 'enforce (very angry and militant word)' them, cannot you just admit that your action in THIS instancewas wrong in the fact that the thread had every right to be there. paulintheflesh pointed out that in your remark in locking it and what the part of the forum should contain.
if your patience is wearing thin, imagine the fury of those that posted in that thread. and yet if they disagree with your rules (even though nothing was wrong about the post, even by pfonline rules), those who question them are put down and so rudely spoken to. i am sure you were brought up better than this kimbers, i know i was. i am calmly asking you to let pfonlie give his side and why you feel that thread should be locked.
thank you
and ps.
i am not being rude to you, nor have i ever been rude to any mod. i respect everyone on this board, and treat everyone the same. we are all pink floyd fans.
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- Kimbers Sheep - 10-16-2005 11:34 AM
are you talking about the thread I closed in the Tribute section? For the love of God it was three people tal;king for 7 pages about what shows they might one day play, that is NOT what the forum is for, it is for Tribute bands and their ACTUAL gigs, now, they had simply posted an announcement that they werre gonna play a Darkside Tribute on Oct 30 2005 at Bob's Bar and Grill in Antioch, Tn I would have left it, but are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that a thread that was 7 pages of plans, and no offense guys, but by people who haven't even learned to play all of the songs yet should be left open, C'mon, that is simply ridiculous. And before anyone gets all riled up, I'm not saying making the plans is silly, what I am saying is that can be handled in PM, the chatroom, or via some other IM, not by taking up alot of room here
- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 11:36 AM
You made some points but I still don't think it's right. Lets argue after I eat dinner. :p
- psychedelicsyd - 10-16-2005 11:51 AM
Kimbers Sheep Wrote:are you talking about the thread I closed in the Tribute section? For the love of God it was three people tal;king for 7 pages about what shows they might one day play, that is NOT what the forum is for, it is for Tribute bands and their ACTUAL gigs, now, they had simply posted an announcement that they werre gonna play a Darkside Tribute on Oct 30 2005 at Bob's Bar and Grill in Antioch, Tn I would have left it, but are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that a thread that was 7 pages of plans, and no offense guys, but by people who haven't even learned to play all of the songs yet should be left open, C'mon, that is simply ridiculous. And before anyone gets all riled up, I'm not saying making the plans is silly, what I am saying is that can be handled in PM, the chatroom, or via some other IM, not by taking up alot of room hereok. at least we are now being civil. i am going to ask you, friend, why did you not just move the thread to outside the wall. the fact that it had seven pages showed that people were genuinly interested in it. locking it stopped that altogether.
i honestly believe that you could have moved it. its like a death when you lock something here. its the death of a thread that was a fair and good one why people are getting all riled up. and thats why i was questioning as to why you locked it. you removed the thread from the board altogether doing that, because no one can reply.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-16-2005 12:01 PM
but don't you get it, We don't often have time, nor are we required, to justify our actions, except to PFOnline, but I will answer your questions, I didn't move it because it was still inappropriate, it was a chatroom, as far as it being popular, have you actually read it? It was pretty much three people talking just like you would in a chatroom, and you are yet once again, doing exactly what we have said bothers us, questioning and second-guessing every move, so I ask you, read the thread, is that within the rules and explain how it breaks no rules, I can certainly explain how it does, regardless of the fact that it was posted in a section devoted to bands touring now, not , and no offense, a couple of guys saying they are going to learn how to play and do a show next year, it also is the blatant chat-room type thread that destroyed a few notebooks
- psychedelicsyd - 10-16-2005 12:08 PM
ok. i agree with you on that one. they could have tightened thier posts to make the thread less cumbursome. i agree with you on that point.
so it leaves the question of moving it? could you have not moved it into outside the wall. where there are pages upon pages of chatroom thype threads? it just came as a bit of a shock to me (and, i assume others) that the thread was non exsistant anymore. and i respect the fact that it is you who make the rules, and you can deem any post inappropriate to a thread, but could you not just ask yourselves what will you do with a thread that is popular, but inappropriate to a certain part of the forum.
if you already did this, forgive me. and i think those lads in that thread are doing a great thing in what they are doing. i think we all should give them a pat on the back
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- wiez - 10-16-2005 12:18 PM
To Syd: Syd I have been dealing with children for a very long time. I teach them to respect themselves and others. I present ideas and nurture their own ability to dream, problem solve and learn right from wrong. I can tell you this, not one of the children that I know or have ever known would ever speak to another human being in such a way.
- wiez - 10-16-2005 12:20 PM
I can't believe I was actually thinking of donating to this site.
- Kimbers Sheep - 10-16-2005 12:25 PM
weiz, drop the "holier than thou" attitude, you called one mod a Nazi, you called me a bitch and a pig,and you have several times referred to my actions as "being a female on her period" DO NOT, and I repeat DO NOT involve yourself in this, it is done and settled, or at least it was, do not continue to attempt to antagonize
- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 01:22 PM
God damn it! What the hell happened now?
- paulintheflesh - 10-16-2005 01:42 PM
something about name calling
- W1P - 10-16-2005 02:08 PM
psychedelicsyd Wrote:kimbers. it is probably impossible to delete the two boxes weiz just got, but i would honestly like to know what she has done. i see no evidence of anything in her posts against the rulesThis is a Scream. psychadelic syd, since you appear to have joined PF Online for the first time in September (which is assuming that you were not already a member under another name), I will, for your benefit, go over some of policies that govern the activities of the volunteer Moderators here.
Posts that violate the rules come to our attention in two ways. We might see them while we are participating in the forum or they might be reported to us. We then have discretion on how to deal with the rules violations (or "reported") violations. If someone reports a post to us, we can conclude that the reported post was fine and do nothing. If we determine that there has been a violation, we can send a PM to the "offender" We can edit or delete the offending post. We can lock or move the thread in question. We can warn without an incremental increase in the warning level. Or we can warn and increase the level which results in the "box"
The question of how we deal with rules violations are between us and the violators. If the violator believes they have been unfairly treated, they can take it up with us or take it up with PF Online.
Public posts that demand (or even request) that we explain why we have or have not taken action against a member will be edited or deleted. If such demands/requests are repeated, the Member making such demands/requests will be subject to our various methods of discipline.
If a Member who has been disciplined subsequently posts public denials that they deserved the discipline and attempts to "whip up" support from the Membership to attack the Moderators, those posts will result in more discipline.
See, psychadelic syd, we've been down this path before with a member who was banned which resulted in a frenzy of very nasty attacks on volunteer moderators. In one case, a Moderator was called a "Nazi" by someone who apparently failed to understand how offensive that can be (especially to those of certain religions). I would hope this person didn't understand because if they did and called someone that name, that would be extremely malicious. It's not going to happen again because we will take action if this baloney starts up again.
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- W1P - 10-16-2005 02:10 PM
I'm locking this. Please read my previous post to understand why. In a few minutes, I'm going to delete all the demands for evidence and personal attacks on Moderators
- Jintzey - 10-16-2005 06:26 PM
(I'm unlocking this just for a bit so I can contribute my comments.)
Hmm, obviously the only solution here is to take the harsh route that PFOnline himself suggested that we do, and simply delete posts like this, ignore the issue, and ban anyone who doesn't like it. We tried to be nice about it and take a middle ground that wasn't so extreme, but once again people have proven to us that this doesn't work. We should have listened to PFOnline to begin with and just delete all of this stuff and ban as necessary until all of this stops. The board was doing just fine up until recently, so clearly there is some weeding in the garden that needs to be done. This is what we get for trying to be reasonable and reach a middle ground? I guess this shows the longer you let the weeds stay, the worse the garden gets festered, and it takes an even more severe approach to eliminate them.