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- PFOnline - 01-11-2005 05:15 PM
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Roger Waters to Perform at Tsunami Aid
Roger Waters is set to perform at an NBC televised charity event to raise funds for the American Red Cross International Response Fund, which is involved in offering funds and support towards the recent tsunami tragedy.
Other scheduled performers include Madonna, Sheryl Crow, Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder, Maroon 5, Norah Jones, Sarah McLachlan, Mary J. Blige, Lenny Kravitz, John Mayer, Kenny Chesney, India Arie, Tom Jones, Eric Clapton, Brian Wilson and Gloria Estefan.
Celebrities scheduled to appear include Halle Berry, Kevin Spacey, Usher, George Clooney, Uma Thurman, Matt Damon, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Michael Douglas, Bruce Willis, Danny DeVito and Rhea Pearlman, Tim Robbins, Eric McCormack and Sean Hayes.
Tsunami Aid: A Concert of Hope will air starting at 8 p.m. PT on Jan. 15th on NBC, its sister cable networks and on Pax and Telemundo. Viewers will be encouraged to donate to the American Red Cross International Response Fund in support of tsunami relief through its web site and donation hotline.
Funds raised through this special will support the American Red Cross two-phased assistance plan, which includes immediate and long-term relief.
Thanks/Source: Roger Waters Online
- sea green queen - 01-11-2005 05:56 PM
That's cool...
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 01-11-2005 06:22 PM
PFOnline Wrote:Other scheduled performers include Madonna, Sheryl Crow, Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder, Maroon 5, Norah Jones, Sarah McLachlan, Mary J. Blige, Lenny Kravitz, John Mayer, Kenny Chesney, India Arie, Tom Jones, Eric Clapton, Brian Wilson and Gloria Estefan.Thank GOD they got Roger...hopefully he and Clapton can save that lineup...
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- FloydPinkerton88 - 01-11-2005 06:37 PM
sweet i hope he belts out some floyd tunes, he and eric can save that line up.
- Intergalactic - 01-11-2005 06:48 PM
this is gonna be freakin sweet!!!
- wowser - 01-11-2005 06:52 PM
It's quite sad that the only time the tsunami has been mention is when Roger bloody Waters decides to play some concert for charity.
- Halfsteel - 01-11-2005 06:57 PM
oh please, oh please, be true
- DiscoPigs - 01-11-2005 07:40 PM
That is so awesome of Roger.
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 01-11-2005 09:00 PM
wowser Wrote:It's quite sad that the only time the tsunami has been mention is when Roger bloody Waters decides to play some concert for charity.Not true...it's been plastered everywhere you look since it happened, actually (and for good reason). Personally, I heard about the tsunami long before the concert was ever organized, let alone Waters' association with it announced.
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- rebecca - 01-11-2005 11:01 PM
Oh, I think Brian Wilson will help save that lineup too.
- Cash - 01-12-2005 12:40 AM
Anyone have any idea what he's going to be playing?
- wowser - 01-12-2005 04:31 AM
carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:Sorry, I meant within the Pink Floyd Forum.wowser Wrote:It's quite sad that the only time the tsunami has been mention is when Roger bloody Waters decides to play some concert for charity.Not true...it's been plastered everywhere you look since it happened, actually (and for good reason). Personally, I heard about the tsunami long before the concert was ever organized, let alone Waters' association with it announced.
- floydianyid - 01-12-2005 07:20 AM
WOW! FANTASTIC :(
- Skol - 01-12-2005 12:28 PM
Great to see Roger playing but I doubt it'll be shown over in the UK. :(
- Madcap Laughs - 01-12-2005 01:18 PM
That is sweet, I'll be sure to watch, and probaly tape it.
And wouldn't it be awesome if midway done his set, David Gilmour comes on stage and plays along side Water, and then all of PF comes back for this event.
I like my dream world.
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- Miss Sassy-Frassy - 01-12-2005 01:20 PM
YES!!! Any idea of what will be played?
- One Of The Few - 01-12-2005 03:29 PM
i wonder if any of the people at this event will know who Roger Waters is ???
- Halfsteel - 01-12-2005 05:04 PM
Brain Damage has....CONFIRMED IT!!!
he IS going to be on the show, but in pre-taped format.
Go to the Brain Damge site to read the full details.
oh joy! :D :laugh:
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 01-12-2005 05:27 PM
Madcap Laughs Wrote:That is sweet, I'll be sure to watch, and probaly tape it.We can all dream, I guess...I suppose it would be going too far to say that if Pink Floyd reunited, it would be a silver lining to this tragedy, so I won't...I'll just say it would be great. However, the odds of it happening are about the same as the odds that the tsunami and its aftereffects will much alter humanity's attitude towards one another...slim at best.
And wouldn't it be awesome if midway done his set, David Gilmour comes on stage and plays along side Water, and then all of PF comes back for this event.
I like my dream world.
- Intergalactic - 01-12-2005 05:48 PM
wowser Wrote:didn't you start a topic on it?carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:Sorry, I meant within the Pink Floyd Forum.wowser Wrote:It's quite sad that the only time the tsunami has been mention is when Roger bloody Waters decides to play some concert for charity.Not true...it's been plastered everywhere you look since it happened, actually (and for good reason). Personally, I heard about the tsunami long before the concert was ever organized, let alone Waters' association with it announced.
- Intergalactic - 01-12-2005 05:51 PM
For those of you in Europe here is some good news:
For our friends in Europe, we now also have the great news that CNBC Europe will be broadcasting at the very least, an edited version of the show. CNBC Europe broadcast to most of Europe - to see if you will be able to view it, visit the Receiving CNBC page on their site, select your country, and the relevent reception details will appear. They are currently scheduling the show for broadcast at 01:00hrs GMT, and 19:00hrs GMT. We do not know yet if these two broadcast slots will have either an edit of the complete show, or each hold half of the show. We are currently speaking to CNBC Europe to find out for you.
- wowser - 01-12-2005 06:25 PM
Intergalactic Wrote:Yeah. Only Steve Hill replied.wowser Wrote:didn't you start a topic on it?carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:Sorry, I meant within the Pink Floyd Forum.wowser Wrote:It's quite sad that the only time the tsunami has been mention is when Roger bloody Waters decides to play some concert for charity.Not true...it's been plastered everywhere you look since it happened, actually (and for good reason). Personally, I heard about the tsunami long before the concert was ever organized, let alone Waters' association with it announced.
- Love In Spite Of Traffic - 01-12-2005 06:30 PM
This is awesome! Roger and Eric will do great I'm sure.
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 01-12-2005 06:31 PM
wowser Wrote:Not to sound defensive, but that was specifically to inform us of donation websites, so didn't really beg replies.Intergalactic Wrote:Yeah. Only Steve Hill replied.wowser Wrote:didn't you start a topic on it?carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:Sorry, I meant within the Pink Floyd Forum.wowser Wrote:It's quite sad that the only time the tsunami has been mention is when Roger bloody Waters decides to play some concert for charity.Not true...it's been plastered everywhere you look since it happened, actually (and for good reason). Personally, I heard about the tsunami long before the concert was ever organized, let alone Waters' association with it announced.
- Madcap Laughs - 01-12-2005 07:04 PM
carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:I know that it has at least change my attitude. But people will still be greedy after this.Madcap Laughs Wrote:That is sweet, I'll be sure to watch, and probaly tape it.We can all dream, I guess...I suppose it would be going too far to say that if Pink Floyd reunited, it would be a silver lining to this tragedy, so I won't...I'll just say it would be great. However, the odds of it happening are about the same as the odds that the tsunami and its aftereffects will much alter humanity's attitude towards one another...slim at best.
And wouldn't it be awesome if midway done his set, David Gilmour comes on stage and plays along side Water, and then all of PF comes back for this event.
I like my dream world.
- carefulwiththataxluke - 01-13-2005 01:25 PM
Go Roger,go! Hopefuly he will do the right thing & play some Pink Floyd songs (one can only hope).
- Miss Sassy-Frassy - 01-13-2005 01:38 PM
BRAIN DAMAGE!--
Don't know how it relates to a tsunami, but, oh well....
Please..can someone get me exactly when it's going to be on?
- BusStopRatBag - 01-13-2005 01:57 PM
Saturday night at 8 says my TV guide
- One Of The Few - 01-13-2005 02:15 PM
crap, the NFL playoffs are on at that time
- BusStopRatBag - 01-13-2005 06:00 PM
thats what all of you get for liking foot ball
wait....on...instead of that? or...the same TIME on a different channel?
- Steph - 01-13-2005 06:37 PM
Waters and Clapton are performing ''Wish You were Here'' Saturday night......
- Dannoe - 01-13-2005 07:08 PM
im suprised no ones also mentioning the brilliant brian wilson
roger, brian wilson and eric clapton will save that concert from being lousy
lol itd be nice to see lenny kravitz (the lowlife poor poor wannabe version of jimi hendrix) get shown up by Eric Clapton
then maybe eric can be like YOU GOT SARVED!
no but seriously it should be mighty fine to watch all of them perform, possibly together?
Brian on keyboards, Eric on guitar, Roger on bass anyone?
- Dannoe - 01-13-2005 07:10 PM
i think also that there needs to be a suprise visit from dave!
NBC can call dave, and dave comes unaware rogers there and their like LETS PUT ALL OUR DIFFERANCES TO THE SIDE FROM THIS DAY FORWARD BECAUSE THERES A HELL OF A LOT OF BLOODY PEOPLE DYING IN ASIA!
this will = much rejoycing
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- One Of The Few - 01-13-2005 08:55 PM
BusStopRatBag Wrote:thats what all of you get for liking foot ballthey are on a different channel on the same time, so i either have to choose the NFL playoffs or Roger Waters's performance,i love them both, they are both once in a lifetime events, ???
wait....on...instead of that? or...the same TIME on a different channel?
- Halfsteel - 01-14-2005 12:58 PM
you can try to set up your vcr to tape one channel, while you watch the other channel, at the same time.
thus being able to watch both.
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- TerminalFrost - 01-14-2005 02:13 PM
ERIC CLAPTON AND ROGER WATERS WISH YOU WERE HERE...
And you are worried about missing something else???????????
- BusStopRatBag - 01-14-2005 03:19 PM
Like what?
- rebecca - 01-14-2005 03:58 PM
Dannoe Wrote:im suprised no ones also mentioning the brilliant brian wilsonI DID.
roger, brian wilson and eric clapton will save that concert from being lousy
lol itd be nice to see lenny kravitz (the lowlife poor poor wannabe version of jimi hendrix) get shown up by Eric Clapton
then maybe eric can be like YOU GOT SARVED!
no but seriously it should be mighty fine to watch all of them perform, possibly together?
Brian on keyboards, Eric on guitar, Roger on bass anyone?
Brian Wilson will help that lineup too.
Brian Wilson is wonderful.
Brian Wilson is great.
Brian Wilson is brilliant.
- BusStopRatBag - 01-14-2005 04:05 PM
TerminalFrost Wrote:ERIC CLAPTON AND ROGER WATERS WISH YOU WERE HERE...Gilmour?.... I doubt they would even be near eachother...but that'd be nice...if they did it for the cause...
And you are worried about missing something else???????????
the cause man....the cause
- Miss Sassy-Frassy - 01-14-2005 06:17 PM
yes....the cause..
the only worry I have is-how will Roger do singing WYWH?
- Miss Sassy-Frassy - 01-14-2005 06:19 PM
Dannoe Wrote:i think also that there needs to be a suprise visit from dave!What a brilliant plan!
NBC can call dave, and dave comes unaware rogers there and their like LETS PUT ALL OUR DIFFERANCES TO THE SIDE FROM THIS DAY FORWARD BECAUSE THERES A HELL OF A LOT OF BLOODY PEOPLE DYING IN ASIA!
this will = much rejoycing
Now, to carry it out....
- Steph - 01-14-2005 08:22 PM
Miss Sassy-Frassy Wrote:yes....the cause..Without question it will be the best performance on the show..... Roger and Eric will do it right....
the only worry I have is-how will Roger do singing WYWH?
- bak2life - 01-15-2005 06:45 AM
The dumb thing is that now I will have to sit through who knows how many performances I don't want to see. But, I'm thinking they'll put his performance right in the middle of the show, so it might not be as bad.
- shepdawg329 - 01-15-2005 08:08 AM
Madcap Laughs Wrote:That is sweet, I'll be sure to watch, and probaly tape it.haha ur funny i wish it was true though...i like ur dream world
And wouldn't it be awesome if midway done his set, David Gilmour comes on stage and plays along side Water, and then all of PF comes back for this event.
I like my dream world.
- Alex - 01-15-2005 09:33 AM
Dear Floyd fans!
If anyone record (on VHS, or digitate it etc) Roger performance, PLEASE, let me know!
My e-mail: sadefan@yandex.ru.
Thanks!
Alex
- Alora - 01-15-2005 10:53 AM
I wasn't going to waste my time watching this but now that Roger is showing up, I'll watch. With the other preformers though... the only thing I will enjoy about this is Roger and Clapton. Too bad everyone else blows.
- Alora
- Dannoe - 01-15-2005 05:55 PM
AH BESIDES BRIAN WILSON SO FAR THIS HAS BEEN BORING, some nice piano playing by elton john also, but most of the performances so far have not had any emotion or heart put into their performances, especially madonna and most the celebrities who are just there to put on a pretty face so they can plug their cd or movie
THIS IS UNBEARABLE I CANT WAIT TIL ROGER AND ERIC ARE ON!
another thing, I saw eric clapton live and he is amazing and a lot better than when you see him perform on things such as Concert for George Harrison and even a live cd I heard of his that he put out. His solos and what he puts into the guitar playing is simply amazing and their pressed for time so they probably wont, but I really hope he plays how i saw him play
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- wowser - 01-15-2005 06:00 PM
ohh, dear, a big wind -0- waveds -!! no!!! water!! oww, drowned!!!!
- Dannoe - 01-15-2005 06:24 PM
lol they put him on right after nelly what a great way to make up for his sorry ass performance!
i actually almost missed it because i couldnt bear to here rap music any longer and because of this missed the first 10 seconds of the song
very good performance though very quiet and mellow, just what it needed
- wowser - 01-15-2005 06:26 PM
NOT LIKE A tsumani - so LOUD AND CRASHING!!!!!! HAHAHA
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 01-15-2005 06:28 PM
He should have played "Pig on the Wing Pts. 1 & 2," at least then we'd be able to take his vocals. After Dave, how could he even try to sing that song? He should have let Clapton sing.
Another thing: I've stopped watching so can't tell for anyone after him, but I found it interesting that Roger Waters, the king of bleakness, has been the only performer so far not to wear black. I think it must be the first time in the last 30 years he's worn colors...
- wowser - 01-15-2005 06:31 PM
He;s a Beatnik, dude. And water, it so crashed on the water of the blue man
- wowser - 01-15-2005 06:38 PM
The guy is a prick. Really. But you have to love him for being a mediocre perfformenr. he needs to keep a live inetesrt in what must always be understtoda as the greatestr in fgact the photo is never really a person yer qwe still hold onto what can be seen as the person of Arabaia. Sacked. Babylon was sacked. Pier Morgan was sacked. All can be undone in the way of the awful people of the best inetentions of the the the the thethet tehetehehgehehehe
- Dannoe - 01-15-2005 06:39 PM
come on, after all the criticism, it was nice to see roger waters on tv in the first place lol. .
it was a neat change of pace to watch him sing the song, i was expecting something crazy like eric clapton on electric guitar and roger on acoustic, but thats not what i got, but i dont really mind. I was actually expecting roger to sing some of it and eric to sing some, or them both to sing together.
but heres a secret fact im only telling you guys. . .THAT GUITARIST WASNT ERIC CLAPTON BUT IN FACT DAVE GILMOUR, DISGUISED AS ERIC CLAPTON!
when roger found out they took out their old fencing skills and started jousting to the death. Just when one was about the kill the other they looked in each others eyes and thought of the line in echoes, and the tsunami, hugged and are now making the next greatest cd since the wall!
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- Steve Hill - 01-15-2005 06:41 PM
This is in extremely bad taste wowser, perhaps you ought to go and drown yourself in the bath while you think about what you've just done.
- Dannoe - 01-15-2005 06:46 PM
i hope your not talking about me because myne wasnt mean spirited at all
- floydianyid - 01-15-2005 06:46 PM
to be fair i think all these celebrity concerts and stuff are in bad taste.
- Intergalactic - 01-15-2005 06:50 PM
I just saw Eric Clapton and Roger Waters perform Wish You Were Here, that performance and Brian Wilsons performance saved the show.
- wowser - 01-15-2005 06:52 PM
Steve Hill Wrote:This is in extremely bad taste wowser, perhaps you ought to go and drown yourself in the bath while you think about what you've just done.Yeah right. Nobody cares aboyt the Tsunami, only bloody Roger and his crap even in the light od spring
- Intergalactic - 01-15-2005 06:56 PM
This proves once more how much of a dick Wowser is. Its not even close to being considered funny.
- Dannoe - 01-15-2005 07:02 PM
looks like wowsers in the hot seat, better scooch out of here before I also end up in a bad place
- floydianyid - 01-15-2005 07:04 PM
we are in a bad place, accept it and give me my shoes back
- Dannoe - 01-15-2005 07:07 PM
lol ill just sing some radiohead lyrics
STARIiiiiiiiiiin AT THE SHADOWS AT THE END OF MAHhhhhhhhhhh BED
STARRIInnnnnnnnnnnnnn AT THE SHADOWS
THE RATS AND THE CHILDREN FOLLOW ME OUT OF TOWN
. . . THE RATS AND THE CHILDREN FOLLOW ME OUT OF TOWN :O
- BusStopRatBag - 01-15-2005 07:08 PM
I for one though it was great... its very good in that mellow tone he used...but it would have been better if he had the ol' band.... not Pink Floyd but Graham Broad, Snowy White, Andy AND Eric Clapton that'd be cool
- Steph - 01-15-2005 07:09 PM
wowser Wrote:It is not suppsed to be funny. I was making a comment on flesh and blood!Wowser is just showing how immature he is......
- Dannoe - 01-15-2005 07:12 PM
as i said before it was quiet and mellow, just what it needed
although for some reason i was expecting something different what we got was just fine
what wouldve been great though is if like halfway through the song when roger wasnt looking at him, eric clapton tip toes out of his chair and behind the curtain and david gilmour comes out and sits on the chair and roger looks over and sees him
thatd probably screw up the performance but boy would that be entertaining
- shepdawg329 - 01-15-2005 10:01 PM
i wasnt really all that impresed i was expecting more from roger it kinda upset me
- danfan - 01-16-2005 12:11 AM
All you critics should just shut up and realize that Roger and Eric had only a couple of days to set up. They were on a sound stage set for TV not music and there usual personell were not running the show. Therefore think without being predugice and stop wagging your mouths. They sounded great and were by far and above the best that sorry ass US show had to offer ( not accounting for sarah M she was beautiful and a song bird ). Sorry for the mistype but I'm pissed you should all wish you could sound half as good. Remember those that can play those that cant critique. Cheers from Canada :blues:
- Juhanix - 01-16-2005 03:13 AM
uuh sad i cant see that here..anyone has copy of that performance :) .... Roger
- Intergalactic - 01-16-2005 06:01 AM
danfan Wrote:All you critics should just shut up and realize that Roger and Eric had only a couple of days to set up. They were on a sound stage set for TV not music and there usual personell were not running the show. Therefore think without being predugice and stop wagging your mouths. They sounded great and were by far and above the best that sorry ass US show had to offer ( not accounting for sarah M she was beautiful and a song bird ). Sorry for the mistype but I'm pissed you should all wish you could sound half as good. Remember those that can play those that cant critique. Cheers from Canada :blues:You're such a loser, always have to mke fun of the US. I bet it would be so much better if it was in Canada. The only good Canadian musicians to come out of Canada were Rush. And everyone else sucks.
- Steph - 01-16-2005 06:55 AM
That's crap.......
- wowser - 01-16-2005 08:16 AM
Totally. Neil Young is one of the greatest songwriters, ever.
- The Great Pig in the Sky - 01-16-2005 10:09 AM
I thought it was actually very nice. Clapton was playing with a lot of soul. I felt Waters did a fine job at it. Thoughts of Syd came into my mind when seeing him sing, perhaps there were some in his mind too. Overall I felt it was the most emotional performance there, but perhaps I'm a little biased.
Very nice, great to see one of my favorite songs being broadcast on about 5 different stations simultaneously
:D
- Steve Hill - 01-16-2005 02:31 PM
Intergalactic Wrote:This proves once more how much of a dick Wowser is. Its not even close to being considered funny.I agree with wowser, he started a topic in Outside the Wall encouraging you all to donate to the relief effort, if memory serves me correct only wowser, floydianyid and I posted in that topic. then we hear all about Mr. Waters playing in the benefit concert and suddenly everyone has an interest in it, yet we barely hear a mention about the disaster unless it is in the context of "Weak performance, but in a good cause". I hope you all did donate either before or during the concert.
- wowser - 01-16-2005 02:35 PM
Thankyou, Steve. Your thoughts ring very true! Also, I could almost take Interglactic's comment, if he had not got a history of posting abosolute crap, himself. Which he has, as his Canadian post has just illustrated.
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- Steph - 01-16-2005 03:10 PM
I myself would have participated in the Tsunami discussion ,, but I have been following the tragedy so much in the paper and television that when I come to the forum I guess I am looking for something else....... I would hope that we as a group of Floyd fans share the elements of utter sadness and have a deep sense of empathy and compassion for these suffering people... I am a very proud Canadian at all times, but especially now considering the way Canadians ( AND OUR CELEBRITIES and OUR GOV'T) HAVE RESPONDED TO THIS TRAGEDY.....I'm hopeful that everyone here has areason to feel the same way about their country....
- sea green queen - 01-16-2005 03:55 PM
It's good to see them help the people.
- Steve Hill - 01-16-2005 04:06 PM
What annoyed me was that not a single topic was made about it for a few days, (and I am disgusted about myself not starting one too), but when the one that wowser started only got a single reply each from floydianyid and I, I was shocked and surprised. But suddenly lots of people had an interest in it once they heard Roger was playing at a benefit concert for it. I guess it worked though, getting celebrities on board is designed to raise the profile of a charity and it sure did that.
- carefulwiththataxeEugene - 01-16-2005 04:43 PM
It's human nature, SH. People don't help others out of a sense of caring or to alleviate suffering, they do it for autographed mugs, phones, scripts, etc. But if it gets money, food, medicine, etc. to those people, the end justifies the means; you have to accept the nature of humanity and use it accordingly.
A Pink Floyd website, even one that has an Outside the Wall forum, is not the place you go to discuss international disasters. Besides, the topic started by wowser was not a discussion one, but a list of links to donation sites as I recall...it did not beg responses. Perhaps people wished to keep their donations a private matter and not announce them to everyone on the forum. But if you're really curious, I have donated my last two paychecks to the Red Cross. I just don't see what there is to discuss: it was, is, a horrible tragedy, to be sure, but I can't think of a thing to say about it that hasn't been said already. What aspect of it would you like to talk about?
- Steph - 01-16-2005 04:47 PM
Im sorry Steve, but in today's world of very selfish people there are still enough of us out there to overide it.... besides most of our board members couldn't find Indonesia if you gave them a map......not a criticism but it's just the way it is.....
- Miss Sassy-Frassy - 01-16-2005 05:08 PM
Excuse me, but please don't automatically assume that because someone didn't reply or talk about the tsunami that they don't care or are totally ignorant of the situation.
- wowser - 01-16-2005 05:21 PM
This wasn't the point. The point was I wasn't insensitive to the disaster. I'm sure everybody was very moved, saddened etc by the Tsunami. I am not doubting that. However, somebody thought I was insensitive towards the disaster, so I just used that thread to point out that I was not.
- Steve Hill - 01-17-2005 01:28 PM
That's great what you did Eugene, and I do understand that some people are here to escape these kinds of discussions, I guess in many ways this is what we are on about when we refer to the old days, more would have participated in the topic.
Anyway Steph, couldn't agree with you more. Not me though, I can pretty much locate any country on a map, even if some are only rough estimates, most are fairly spot on. I am also fairly good with currencies and great when it comes to flags. All this and I would still say the UK is very inward looking in it's attitude, but mine is self taught mainly.
- Steph - 01-17-2005 01:45 PM
I wish people could learn to live beyond their immediate surroundings and have an interest in what is going on in other parts of the world......especially the media.... the travesty's that have gone on in places like Bosnia, Rwanda,Sudan,and other starving nations in Africa have gone mostly unnoticed by the mainstream media......not sexy enough....not many ,BRITISH, AMERICAN, FRENCH, GERMAN, CANADIAN,ETC, elite people on holiday dying in those suffering places.......
- wowser - 01-17-2005 02:00 PM
you should change what papers you read:
http://www.opendemocracy.org
http://www.guardian.co.uk
http://www.tompaine.com
http://www.indymedia.org
http://www.alternet.org
- Steph - 01-17-2005 02:09 PM
Wowser, I didn't mean me.... I am ******* well aware of these situations .... But I highly doub't the average joe gives a **** because he is too busy with his own boring ******* life ....that was my point......
- wowser - 01-17-2005 02:16 PM
I didn't mean you either (although there may have been one or two links there new to you). I just meant 'you' to represent the average person. It's an oversimplifaction, but I guess you see my point.
- Steph - 01-17-2005 02:29 PM
Yes, there were links that were new to me, but it seems to me that the average person over here ( can't speak to England) WORRIES ABOUT #1 and really isn't really interested enough to really try to understand other situations.... they would rather take CNN'S WORD AS GOSPEL..... How else can you explain George Bush...... he probably had never heard of Indonesia before this tragedy........
- wowser - 01-17-2005 02:53 PM
George Bush is canny.
- sea green queen - 01-17-2005 05:57 PM
The sad thing about newspapers & newscasts is you are told what you need to know, not the news as it really is, some papers are afraid they will offend some groups of people & hurt sales.
- Steph - 01-17-2005 06:04 PM
wowser Wrote:George Bush is canny.No, the people just don't care enough (or not bright enough) to see through the bullshit that is the Republican party that is headed by Bush, or should I say Cheney, or should I say the oil companies......
If that election was anywhere else in the free world, especially Canada , Kerry would have won in a landslide....wonder how long before these criminals attack Iran and more average american ground forces die needlessly....
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- wowser - 01-17-2005 06:08 PM
sea green queen Wrote:The sad thing about newspapers & newscasts is you are told what you need to know, not the news as it really is, some papers are afraid they will offend some groups of people & hurt sales.No, all papers are like that.
Steoh, people voted for Bush because they stood by his policies and his agenda. That's what's depressing. It wasn't because people were 'dumb'. There is a naive notion that Republican voters will suddenly realise that they shouldn't br voting for Bush, as he doesn't stand for them economically. That isn't going to happen.
- Sigma6 - 01-18-2005 05:06 AM
It was great to see Roger working with anotherartist such as clapton. Wish you were here also, was a perfect number to do for the tsunami aid
- Steph - 01-18-2005 06:15 AM
wowser Wrote:IF THEY AGREE WITH THESE POLICIES THEN THEY ARE STUPID!!!!!!!sea green queen Wrote:The sad thing about newspapers & newscasts is you are told what you need to know, not the news as it really is, some papers are afraid they will offend some groups of people & hurt sales.No, all papers are like that.
Steoh, people voted for Bush because they stood by his policies and his agenda. That's what's depressing. It wasn't because people were 'dumb'. There is a naive notion that Republican voters will suddenly realise that they shouldn't br voting for Bush, as he doesn't stand for them economically. That isn't going to happen.
- wowser - 01-18-2005 06:18 AM
No, they just have a different world view.
- Steph - 01-18-2005 06:25 AM
That is not a ''World View '' as you call it......it is their very selfish and misguided view in what is good for America and America only......thats really all I have to say about it.....
- wowser - 01-18-2005 06:28 AM
You don't think wanting to change the regime in foreign countries is a 'world view'? Because it is. I have to point out that I am a liberal, but simplt calling the right 'dumb' gets us nowhere.
- Steph - 01-18-2005 06:36 AM
The only way for us to get anywhere is to get rid of the lying bastards....besides the invasion of Iraq was under the guise ofgetting rid of WMD'S......A Lie....AMERICANS DIE BECAUSE OF THIS LIE......tHIS IS ABOUT THE CONTROL OF OIL ....NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.....Bush and his cronies don't give a **** about liberating the Iraqi people , they care about liberating the massive oil that is there.....period Of course this just my humble opinion.....now I am done!
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- wowser - 01-18-2005 08:57 AM
They actually do care about liberating the people of Iraq, as they are on some crazy Christian mission to bring their own way of thinking to every country. Technically, bringing democracy to every country in the world would bring peace, but you have to stress the technically.
- Steph - 01-18-2005 09:04 AM
If that were truly the case wowser, I would be more inclined to agree with them , however it is not ,and I am not.....
- wowser - 01-18-2005 09:27 AM
Well, that is the main reason they go about these wars. Sure, oil is also a motive, but you shouldn't underestimate the power of a Christian fundamentalist. I find that a much scarier thing, actually.
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- Steph - 01-18-2005 09:53 AM
So Do I , but this conflict has been about oil since 1991 and is still about oil today.......The christian right really loves their oil.....
- wowser - 01-18-2005 10:05 AM
I find the whole 'oil' debate pretty tedious.
- Steve Hill - 01-18-2005 12:06 PM
As do I, it is often used by people too lazy to read more into the situation. I think by actually wanting to rid the right wing from politics, you are potentailly making the same mistake as others in the past. What replaces the right is so often eventually the right themselves, Animal farm gives a good example of this.
I don't mind being under right wing governments, just as long as they are a little more considerate to the mood of the general population. Nobody wanted privatisation in this country, but Thatcher, then Major and now Blair went ahead anyway. It takes much more to right the wrongs of the past than to wait to make sure the right course of action has been taken.
- Steph - 01-18-2005 01:51 PM
Steve,....The experiences that I have been through in my life have obviously shaped my ''World View'' and i am at this point in my life not likely to change......however, when I was young , like yourselves, my political ideas were much different.....you probably should take that into consideration knowing that your life experiences are relatively in the beginning stages....just a thought...... Lazy....that was a good one .....
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- pinkfloydfan1 - 01-18-2005 02:03 PM
well i wont be doing anything if rogers innit i cant stand the pr*ck
- sea green queen - 01-18-2005 03:13 PM
wowser Wrote:That's true, mostly NY Times & the LA Press, they are everywhere, the sad thing is not having anyone to vote for, it's like, do I want to be run over by a Pontiac or a VW? The clintons will be back in office next time, she WILL be runing the show this time.... :Osea green queen Wrote:The sad thing about newspapers & newscasts is you are told what you need to know, not the news as it really is, some papers are afraid they will offend some groups of people & hurt sales.No, all papers are like that.
Steoh, people voted for Bush because they stood by his policies and his agenda. That's what's depressing. It wasn't because people were 'dumb'. There is a naive notion that Republican voters will suddenly realise that they shouldn't br voting for Bush, as he doesn't stand for them economically. That isn't going to happen.
- wowser - 01-18-2005 03:14 PM
Steph Wrote:Steve,....The experiences that I have been through in my life have obviously shaped my ''World View'' and i am at this point in my life not likely to change......however, when I was young , like yourselves, my political ideas were much different.....you probably should take that into consideration knowing that your life experiences are relatively in the beginning stages....just a thought...... Lazy....that was a good one .....How old are you Steph? I don't mean anything bu asking this, but I'm just curious.
- Steph - 01-18-2005 05:17 PM
Iam 42 and stumbled on to this site while I was in the hospital being treated for cancer.......Until that point I would never had the time to spend so much time on a forum... this was a1st for me.....Lazy was not something that I ever imagined being said about me....however by spending so much time on this forum I think I HAVE become lazy.....
- wowser - 01-18-2005 05:22 PM
I'm sorry you had to come to it in such bad circumstances, Steph. I think I have become lazy, too, but I have no excuses.
- Steph - 01-18-2005 05:29 PM
Things happen for a reason, I feel and I have learned ( BARELY) to use a computer , because for the last couple of months that is really all I have been able to do.... things are getting better and in the future I probably won't be on here as much , but I think I alway's will check in on my Floyd friends......
- wowser - 01-18-2005 05:54 PM
Yeah, well that's pretty good. Just do what you feel like doing.
- Steph - 01-19-2005 06:25 AM
Wowser, hope i didn't make you feel bad, if I did, Im sorry but things are working out well for me and i was really fortunate really because of how and when it was discovered...Anyway Pink Floyd and other related items are much more interesting to discuss so....on with the show...
- DiamanteLouco - 01-19-2005 10:55 PM
How about doing a petition to Roger Waters play on a Steph Aid or something? :D
- Steph - 01-20-2005 04:31 AM
DiamanteLouco Wrote:How about doing a petition to Roger Waters play on a Steph Aid or something? :DNicely done.... :laugh: :laugh:
- wowser - 01-20-2005 04:33 AM
Steph Wrote:Wowser, hope i didn't make you feel bad, if I did, Im sorry but things are working out well for me and i was really fortunate really because of how and when it was discovered...Anyway Pink Floyd and other related items are much more interesting to discuss so....on with the show...No, no worries, Steph :)
- Steph - 01-20-2005 04:42 AM
Anyway Wowser, did you see Roger and Eric the other nite.....I would like to know your thoughts... if you have already expressed your thoughts, excuse me , I must have missed them....
- wowser - 01-20-2005 04:43 AM
Like I say, i would have rather it had just been Eric (and maybe Dave). Poor singing and playing from Roger.
- Steph - 01-20-2005 04:53 AM
I kinda liked it , but probably because I have never seen Roger on T.V before, so I thought that was cool.....just a sidebar... I just purchased ''live Aid'' DVD and David Gilmour appears with Bryan Ferry of Roxy music for two songs and is not even in the credits....Ferry doesn't even introduce him...I think it just shows how anonymous the band members of the Floyd were and it was about the music as opposed to the image..... I wish there was more of that today.....
- onthewing12 - 01-20-2005 05:40 PM
i agree with steph. thats why pink floyds so great. its so poetic and they're all very talented musicians. i never even thought about their image untill i watched live at pompeii for the first time and saw the interviews with them
- wowser - 01-20-2005 05:41 PM
Yeah, but Davis is quite a limited guitarist.
- onthewing12 - 01-20-2005 05:49 PM
what do u mean by limited?
- Sigma6 - 01-21-2005 07:20 AM
Hey guys, Id like to coment if its alright. Steph, Way to go your a real trooper,(and Floydian) if i do say so myself, and i think your outlook on the issue is better than mine would be and most people i know. Wowser, you Steph Aid, GREAT idea! Ill be there. Caiti (OnTheWing12), You wouldnt know because you never saw "Live Aid". But all-in-all, I guess you guys are right. Roger's performance was not the best he ever did but hey, ya gotta admit, it was touching. I belive the reason he sang like that is because, behind those cold eyes and ego problem, there is a truly remorseful Roger who you can tell was affected emotionally by the Tsunami. We all know how WYWH was written about Syd, but taht night, Roger sent that song out to millions of traumatized victims. I think he was actually close to tears. :music:
- onthewing12 - 01-21-2005 09:51 AM
i never saw live aid but i didnt know thats what the whole convo. was about. i was just saying all in all they are great musicians. and about the tsunami aid thing, it was really touching but hes deffinatly had better performances
- Steph - 01-21-2005 02:03 PM
There is no doub't Roger has performed better in the past, but I personally was looking forward to this performance, and I for one was not disappointed.....to tell the truth I felt proud of him for doing his part.... Way to go Rog....
- thoul70 - 01-21-2005 09:01 PM
Rather disappointing vocals, regardless of what he's capable of...Waters' attempt was heartfelt and nice, but not TV worthy...then again ,relatively few things/events are TV worthy these days.
- BusStopRatBag - 01-22-2005 04:21 PM
you can say that again
- sea green queen - 01-24-2005 11:06 AM
Age takes it's toll, it's the thought that counts...
- wowser - 01-24-2005 11:48 AM
onthewing12 Wrote:what do u mean by limited?he does the same old slow blues solos with anyone from Wyatt to Kate Bush.