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- The Painter Piper and Prisoner - 03-26-2005 02:00 PM
what do you think?
- The_Madcap - 03-26-2005 02:22 PM
That part of his life is over...or that's what I think. Plus, I highly doubt Floyd will ever regroup...sadly. And this should be moved to Pink Floyd or Syd Barrett.
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- Kimbers Sheep - 03-26-2005 07:10 PM
wrong area, moved
- The Fallen Hero - 03-27-2005 05:52 PM
From what i know and have heard schizophrenia patients cannot be cured. However, if on medicine, they can function normally. Would Syd ever join Floyd again, I highly doubt it. In fact, I doubt seeing very much of Floyd again, however, it is nice to dream.
- Caravanserai - 03-27-2005 11:38 PM
I'm sure he won't join them. About his recovery - I'm not a doctor and I don't know about his current state, so I can't really say.
- Madcap Laughs - 03-28-2005 07:32 PM
I think it's best for him to do what makes him feel good, as long as it doesnt danger him or anyone around him.
- scarlet eagle - 03-28-2005 08:16 PM
With medication, schizophrenia patients can function normally. Syd will never rejoin the band because he doesn't like to be reminded of his past. Besides, he would be really out of practice going all of these years without performing.
- brixton - 03-28-2005 10:03 PM
:laugh: hope not.
"I know where syd barrett lives."
- floydianyid - 03-29-2005 09:46 AM
scarlet eagle Wrote:With medication, schizophrenia patients can function normally. Syd will never rejoin the band because he doesn't like to be reminded of his past. Besides, he would be really out of practice going all of these years without performing.very true
- BarrettWaters - 03-30-2005 02:26 PM
To the person who hopes that Syd won't recover - shame on you. And that's as nice as I can put it. That doesn't really begin to describe what I think of that comment.
- Jfloydian - 03-30-2005 02:30 PM
I HOPE he will get at least alittle batter, but people with that illness don't get better so easily, I say good luck to Mr.Barrett, I will be praying for him.
- sea green queen - 03-30-2005 06:28 PM
Pink Floyd will not ever preform together again, they can't get along together that long...
- gerald_the_mouse - 04-12-2005 12:26 PM
Didnt syd barrett die?
- Jfloydian - 04-12-2005 12:49 PM
gerald_the_mouse Wrote:Didnt syd barrett die?Syd Barrett did die. However, his body is still living.
- gerald_the_mouse - 04-12-2005 03:35 PM
Oh so hes just braindead or something?
- Jfloydian - 04-12-2005 04:14 PM
Well the person he used to be is gone.
Now he lives alone, and is relativly happy with his life.
- Sigma6 - 04-19-2005 05:50 AM
Jfloydian Wrote:Well said. Even thoughits very VERY hard to think and talk about.gerald_the_mouse Wrote:Didnt syd barrett die?Syd Barrett did die. However, his body is still living.
:(
- wiez - 04-19-2005 03:17 PM
How do you know he is living alone? Hell, he gardens and paints. Doesn't sound so terrible to me.
- Sadie - 04-19-2005 03:44 PM
I think it's cool that the other guys make sure he's provided for. I mean, they didn't have to put his songs on Echoes or play them in concert. I think they did it for him. I like that they are also willing to talk about him instead of acting like he didn't exist. They still seem to care for him very much.
- Madcap Laughs - 04-19-2005 06:58 PM
I also think its great that all the other members try to keep him alive, even if its only in spirit, its best for all of them.
- wiez - 04-20-2005 07:51 AM
I feel a need to correct my post at the risk of sounding heartless. I do understand he struggles with a serious illness and that is tragic. I do believe that one can live with a serious illness with proper care and attention. He might never play again with PF but who is to say he doesn't play? If he enjoys his life let us not take away from the mans happiness simply because he doesn't play with PF anymore.
- David_Gilmour_77 - 04-27-2005 06:39 PM
I was wondering does anyone know if pink floyd will regroup for one more tour or even just a reunion. All 5 of them i know that the 4 of them will probly get together but what about syd? Is he still sick from Schizophrenia?
- Madcap Laughs - 04-27-2005 06:49 PM
I don't think there is even a good chance of the 4 of them getting back together, much less 5. And you can't really recover from schizophrenia.
- David_Gilmour_77 - 04-28-2005 05:33 PM
I think the 4 of em good get together because nick, rick and dave see each other every once and awhile. Roger is the one who tends to stay away from the rest of the group. Even if 3 of em got back together to make another alblum or do another tour it would rock.
-There is no darkside of the moon, matter of fact its all dark
- S.H.E.E.P - 04-29-2005 03:31 PM
there has been so many of these posts this should be closed
- GRAPHITE_BLIMPS - 04-29-2005 03:44 PM
S.H.E.E.P Wrote:there has been so many of these posts this should be closeddude you cant do this to every topic, they'll close it if you want. Your third day and you think your a mod :laugh:
:unclesam: DANCE!!!
- S.H.E.E.P - 04-29-2005 03:46 PM
ya well maybe im jes a wannabe poser :( :( :(
- GRAPHITE_BLIMPS - 04-29-2005 03:50 PM
S.H.E.E.P Wrote:ya well maybe im jes a wannabe poser :( :( :(dont be so hard on yourself
- S.H.E.E.P - 04-29-2005 03:52 PM
ha
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- rkb2023b - 05-08-2005 03:23 PM
theres really no way in hell syd would ever sing another note, let alone tour with the band.
- BusStopRatBag - 05-08-2005 05:10 PM
but this makes you think....who has a better chance of getting back together with the 3...Roger...or Syd?
- wiez - 05-09-2005 07:25 AM
My votes on Syd.
- scarlet eagle - 05-09-2005 04:36 PM
Topic merged.
- Colour - 05-16-2005 07:59 PM
From what I gather from the articles on Syd that I've read, just talking about his past gets Syd all worked up. He's old and suffering from diabetes. His past in music ruined his life. Do you really think there's any chance that he'd ever perform, let alone tour with Pink Floyd? I personally don't.
As for Roger Waters, who knows? I really wish the "classic line up" would do a good bye tour (but WITHOUT releasing a live album). Who knows though?
I digress. In my personal opinion, there's a better chance of Hell freezing over than Syd Barrett returning to the stage, or involving himself in music in any way.
- pine floored - 05-18-2005 12:40 PM
gerald_the_mouse Wrote:Oh so hes just braindead or something?lol. Maybe we should send two doctors round to him and do what is called in the trade a 'brain stem death' assessment.
Hey Roger.. just lie down there whilst we attach a few electrodes to your head.. this won't hurt a bit..
In all seriousness I can believe that the creative personality known as Syd Barrett remains firmly fixed in the past. Even if that particular person survives.. unlike so many of his generation..as an ordinary guy that enjoys a little gardening and takes the rubbish out with monotonous regularity it does not in any respect take away the genius that was Syd Barrett.
To stretch the imagination.. Van Gogh's work remains as that of a genius even after he had gone half mad and then died from the infection caused by shooting himself. A thin line between genius and madness.
You don't have to be mad to reply to this post.. but it might just help :D
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- pine floored - 05-18-2005 12:50 PM
Madcap Laughs Wrote: And you can't really recover from schizophrenia.Really?
What do you think?
Me?
Yes you..
Nah. never.
I don't believe you.
Me?
Yes you.
Believe what you want!
- wiez - 05-18-2005 02:33 PM
I have to respond. Once again, just because Syd lives a quiet life doesn't mean he is dead. He gardens....hey I garden. He paints and who knows he might be damn good. I bet he enjoys music, if he doesn't play. Give the man a break. He changed his life. He adapted. Unless he had a labotomy, the genius is still there albeit quieter.
- pine floored - 05-18-2005 04:25 PM
wiez Wrote:I have to respond. Once again, just because Syd lives a quiet life doesn't mean he is dead. He gardens....hey I garden. He paints and who knows he might be damn good. I bet he enjoys music, if he doesn't play. Give the man a break. He changed his life. He adapted. Unless he had a labotomy, the genius is still there albeit quieter.Exactly but the 'quiet genius' is debatable. He will of course always remain a genius to me.
- Madcap Laughs - 05-18-2005 06:44 PM
I'm just glad that he was able to do what he did, even if it was a short period of time.
- AndersonCouncill - 05-18-2005 06:45 PM
The Painter Piper and Prisoner Wrote:what do you think?I think...
no.
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- wiez - 05-21-2005 07:38 AM
Anderson, that was tedious.
- AndersonCouncill - 05-21-2005 10:51 PM
I know... I make day-to-day living with my friends being like that, I wanted to try it here. Do you want me to shorten it? It must be real irritating.
- wiez - 05-22-2005 07:25 AM
It is, but I am used to it.
- AndersonCouncill - 05-22-2005 08:36 AM
If you'd like I will shorten it for you.
- Floyd4Ever - 05-22-2005 12:34 PM
Madcap Laughs Wrote:I don't think there is even a good chance of the 4 of them getting back together, much less 5. And you can't really recover from schizophrenia.It would be sweet if he got better. poor guy.
but he is probably enjoying his life.
- AndersonCouncill - 05-22-2005 06:05 PM
Floyd4Ever Wrote:Don't worry... He is very happy these days. I think reuniting with Pink Floyd would only make him sad again.Madcap Laughs Wrote:I don't think there is even a good chance of the 4 of them getting back together, much less 5. And you can't really recover from schizophrenia.It would be sweet if he got better. poor guy.
but he is probably enjoying his life.
- alanmk5 - 05-23-2005 05:15 PM
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- AndersonCouncill - 05-23-2005 05:28 PM
Say the word and I will shorten it...
- alanmk5 - 05-24-2005 07:05 AM
dosen't bother me
- Erik I - 06-11-2005 02:18 AM
Being a person very interested in the Syd Barrett "case" I would like to say the following.
- It is impossible to say EXACTLY what made Syd flip out. To put it a bit simple, it was probably a combination of genetics (tendency towards mental instability / schizophrenia), drugs, the pressures of fame, and Syd's own artistic ambitions which he felt had to be sacrificed in favor of commercial success.
- Information differs WIDELY regarding the amount of acid Syd did, some speaking of 200 trips in 1967, some of less than 15. So it's really hard to blame it all on the drugs, even though they very certainly played a part in it.
- One might also wonder if Syd, despite his mental state, was not after all in at least some control of what he was doing (read the lyrics to "Jugband Blues" for instance) and sort of "planned" his disappearance from the pop scene. When one thinks of it, he has now turned into a timeless, mythical figure who will stay forever young in the mind of his admirers, while he himself - unlike so many others of that kind - remains alive and well.
- The "Syd will freak out if someone mentions Pink Floyd" thing seems to be a bit exaggerated, actuallyd. Over the last few years Roger Barrett has been known to watch the "Omnibus" documentary on TV, signing 320 copies of the Mick Rock photo book and giving a fan who knocked on his door a signed autograph. So, while he still prefers to be left alone, it also seems that occasionally he can permit himself to at least acknowledge that he was in the band.
In my mind therefor Syd Barrett is in fact 'dead' because there never really was a Syd Barrett (person) only a Syd Barrett (character), invented by Roger Barrett. The 'Syd' character basically got killed off by Roger after the 'Stars' thing when he felt he wanted nothing more to do with the character and all that was attached to him. It also I think now enables him to in his own mind separate himself from the Syd period, a mind game if you like. Mind you the autograph mentioned above was not signed 'Syd' but 'R.K. Barrett'.
So any talk of "Syd/Roger Barrett rejoining Pink Floyd" - forget it, never in a million years. MAYBE if he was completely bankrupt or something, which thank God is not the case. Just leave it be, he has given us some magnificent work.
As for the Floyd getting back together again: Gilmour has said 'no more tours', Mason is on the same track but has said he could imagine a one-time event, or rather, that the show(s) be at some extraordinary location, like at the pyramids. As for a reunion with Roger I feel it is still possible but that time is sort of running up and this will probably have to take place within the next 5 years or so, after that they will probably all call it a day. But at least for the 3 Floyds playing together, I think the chances are still somewhat hopeful.
- Obscured By Floyd - 06-15-2005 10:28 AM
It's good to hear that Roger Barrett was able to sign his name and acknowledge his past. Some of us still worry about him and hope that he is happy with his life.
The book Crazy Diamond indicated that LSD did play a major role in Syd's downfall. Rock Stars are notorious for having hangers on and Syd had several people coming and going at the flat back in the day. At times, acid was used like sugar --spiking the morning tea, etc. It's easy to see how Barrett could have unknowingly injured himself.
He seemed to admit as much in Dark Globe:
please lift the hand
I'm only a person with Eskimo chain
I tattooed my brain all the way...
Won't you miss me?
Wouldn't you miss me at all?
We miss you, Syd.
- alanmk5 - 06-16-2005 04:23 PM
how do you think syd reacted to floyd reforming
i think he might be pleased but worried that his name might be brought out into the open
but i'm not sure if he will watch it on tv
it would be nice but unlikely if they'll play one of syd's songs
it might even bring roger and dave closer
as i've said before if floyd do make another album again it would be nice if syd was asked to design the cover
- Philintheflesh - 06-16-2005 05:17 PM
Syd`s sister told him about the re-union yesterday.
He apparently showed no emotion, or any response at all.
His name`s Roger. Spends his time painting & drawing in Cambridge. He view`s the name"Syd" & his previous association with the band, as something long gone - almost from an unreal, dream-like past.
- scarlet eagle - 06-16-2005 06:04 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't think Barrett would really care about a reunion.
It would be cool if one of the songs performed was Astronomy Domine, although unlikely.
- Dyolf - 06-17-2005 05:29 AM
if Syd ever recovers he would not rejoin Pink Floyd for the following reasons:
<ul>
<li>He doesn't like Dave
<li>He doesn't like anything / anyone that reminds him of Pink Floyd or the '60s.
<li>Pink Floyd wouldn't let him rejoin
<li>Pink Floyd aren't working anymore. (Except for Live 8)</ul>
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- Philintheflesh - 06-17-2005 10:49 AM
[color=Deep Fix]Dyolf is right on all counts.
And, considering point no.2, just as well.
The less he is reminded of the Floyd in any way, the better for his well-being.
Roger has said that although he loves him dearly, the best thing he can do is stay away.
Imagine the guilt of triggering something bad in him.
There was an intriguing documentary on Syd, a year or so ago on the BBC. He spent a reclusive few years in London,
after his solo albums, and then walked the 50 miles, barefoot,
back to Cambridge.
Been there ever since.[/color]
- THEPINKFLOYD - 06-17-2005 02:18 PM
Point me at the sky
Tell it fly
The colossal PINK FLOYD is back!
- alanmk5 - 06-17-2005 02:43 PM
didn't know roger (barret) hates dave
but i can see why
the reason i still call him syd in this forum is that it would be too confusing ie people might think i'm talking about roger waters
- Philintheflesh - 06-17-2005 05:41 PM
[color=Deep Fix]Actually, I think `hate`is a bit strong.
Don`t think they had much in common,though.
However, there must have been a bond of friendship once.
Dave used to teach Stones licks to Syd, in their lunch-breaks, at Cambridge tech, before Floyd formed. They also went on a busking holiday to France in `65.
Only natural to resent someone who replaces you.
:music:[/color]
- AndersonCouncill - 06-17-2005 06:32 PM
The whole thing with Gilmour is so sad. They were best friends and then Syd showed up for Saucerful and there Dave was and Syd knew he wasn't as good.
- Philintheflesh - 06-17-2005 07:10 PM
[color=Deep Fix]Dave Gilmour was not brought in to replace Syd because he was "better", whatever that means, but because Syd was off his rocker.
In fact, as Syd had written 90% of the songs up to that point, he seemed to be the indispensable one. Just got to the point where his behaviour was becoming more & more un-predictable.
Gilmour`s entrance certainly gave the band a musical boost, and allowed Rog.to step up to the plate as a song-writer.[/color]
- alanmk5 - 06-18-2005 12:57 PM
it's actually a wonder that asos came so quickly
still great though
- Philintheflesh - 06-18-2005 02:26 PM
[color=Deep Fix]Yeah, it is actually.
Saucerful of Secrets contains only one Barrett composition - Jugband Blues. Rog.composed three on his own. So, emerging talent of Waters bourne of necessity. After seeing their leader self-destruct in front of them.[/color]
- sandmountainslim - 07-02-2005 06:39 AM
From what I understand about it Syd has recovered about as much as possible, I don't think he will ever see a "Brian Wilson Type" recovery and come back to a musical career from the abyss but as long as he is happy painting and writing as they say he is it's ok with me, he always has been my favourite member of PF :)
- Dee_Dee_King - 07-02-2005 08:02 AM
Syd as far as i know is mentally healthy. So what more could you want from him, he got better. As for rejoining the floyd that will never happen, he doesn't even like to be reminded of the floyd as said in many interviews. So i don't think he plans on playing with them of all things.
- captainkidd - 07-15-2005 11:29 AM
Syd does NOT hate Dave - actually I believe Dave is the only one who has any real contact with Syd. Dave helped record Syds solo albums in 1969-1970 and supposedly still "looks after" Syd.
If Syd ever chose to play music again, I'm sure Dave would be his first contact
- sandmountainslim - 07-17-2005 05:01 PM
captainkidd Wrote:Syd does NOT hate Dave - actually I believe Dave is the only one who has any real contact with Syd. Dave helped record Syds solo albums in 1969-1970 and supposedly still "looks after" Syd.Roger also worked on Syd's solo albums, not just Dave, I also heard said once that Syd is the only person on earth Rog actually likes :)
If Syd ever chose to play music again, I'm sure Dave would be his first contact
- mabewa - 07-17-2005 09:13 PM
Yeah, Dave and Syd were good friends before Floyd existed, and Dave was introduced to the band through Syd.
Did Roger play on Syd's solo albums? I know that Dave and Rick did, but I didn't know that Roger did.
Anyway, it's clear that Syd and Dave remained good friends after Dave joined Floyd... seems that Dave was Syd's main creative partner on his solo albums.