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- simps - 07-07-2002 10:50 AM
I'd be interested to see how much Syd's range of work is appreciated compared to the obvious classic choice Piper At The Gates Of Dawn.
- wowser - 07-07-2002 02:11 PM
i wouldn't be :p
- simps - 07-07-2002 02:35 PM
Fair enough. It's a free country/forum.
- wowser - 07-07-2002 02:49 PM
you need a new avatar simps - where has it gone?
- Freddie - 07-08-2002 04:29 AM
wowser Wrote:i wouldn't be :phear hear!
- simps - 07-08-2002 03:04 PM
wowser Wrote:you need a new avatar simps - where has it gone?My avatar only disappeared temporarily during the latest "not quite so smooth as it might have been" upgrade by ikonboard. Still, at least there was no major cock-up this time.
- wowser - 07-08-2002 03:31 PM
only after a quick browse through some porn ;)
- simps - 07-08-2002 03:43 PM
Porn addiction has come back to haunt you yet, again, wowser?
- Jintzey - 07-08-2002 03:47 PM
Is that why he can't afford to pay you back, despite having a job at a computer store that requires him to wear black shirts or whatever it is?
- simps - 07-08-2002 03:51 PM
I wouldn't wish to speculate too far.
By the way, it's a mobile telephone shop he works at.
- Jintzey - 07-08-2002 04:26 PM
Maybe he could get you a great deal for your cell phone, not that it would ever compensate for Roger Waters tickets.
- simps - 07-08-2002 04:34 PM
Strong show of suppport for Piper already, I see, after just one day. It is one of the great albums ever.
- Jintzey - 07-09-2002 01:02 AM
A great album indeed. Had this been a Syd Barrett site and not a Pink Floyd site, you might expect to see a little more support for his solo works. Most PF fans are probably not that familiar with the solo works of any of the band members, so would more likely choose PF albums in this poll.
- simps - 07-09-2002 02:57 AM
I'm sure that's true, Jintzey. I get the impression PF fans dislike the idea of any of the members working on solo projects and don't buy them. None of them has had a solo album that sold many copies. It's strange. There aren't many true Beatles fans who don't have the solo albums - or at the very least the Lennon ones. They should get Harrison's brilliant All Things Must Pass, by the way. Rolling Stones fans hate solo projects by any of the Stones as well, hence the commercial failure of Jagger's excellent new album.
Syd's solo albums, or at least Barrett (the one with Dominoes on it) featured Wright on keyboards and some extra playing from Gilmour, who was also producer, so in a way it's a lot less of a solo album that the other PF solo albums. In fact it's almost more of a PF album than Final Cut or Momentary Lapse when the band was fragmented.
- Freddie - 07-09-2002 06:43 AM
no fucking way. thses people above you mention were nothing after they left their bands. they had a few decent tunes but thats it. as for barret, his stuff in pink floyd was bad enough, his solo stuff was even worse. except for dominos.
- simps - 07-09-2002 07:57 AM
Dominoes is a great simple song. Beautiful sense of melody and timing. Syd wrote much better songs than that though. Only a few of his songs were ever actually poor.
You say the Beatles were nothing after they left the band? Harrison didn't really find his true talent until he left the overbearing shadow of McCartney. All Things Must Pass is brilliant. As are Lennon's first two solo albums, most of his solo singles and his Live In Toronto release.
- Freddie - 07-09-2002 07:59 AM
not convinced. i preferred john in the beatles...and don'tget me started on paul. george was respectable enough.
- simps - 07-09-2002 08:08 AM
Wings were patchy - that's all I'll say about them now. McCartney's song in response to September 11th was pretty bad, I thought, as was the usually excellent Neil Young's. Lennon reached his songwriting peak with Imagine, I think, although I concede he was far more consistent during his time with the Beatles than after the split. Harrison rules.
- simps - 07-09-2002 08:11 AM
Ah, I see someone gave the thumbs-up to Saucerful Of Secrets. I guess that was Freddie. A respectable album, certainly, but I feel it fails to surprise and astound while still flowing effortlessly from start to finish as well as Piper.
Two great songs from Saucerful..., Set The Controls, and the title track are both greatly improved when played live on Ummagumma and the Pompei film than on the original album. Set The Controls at the Waters concert was amazing.
- Freddie - 07-11-2002 06:01 AM
arnyold lane was played just before oasis came on at finsbury.
its a good tune, just cannae stand barrets voice
- simps - 07-11-2002 07:17 AM
Really? They played Arnold Layne before Oasis? That's surprising. Very happy to hear that. Yes, great tune indeed. Excellent witty lyrics too, based on a true story. Barrett's voice I happen to like, but I agree it is probably an acquired taste, like stout or something.
The video for it Arnold Layne is amazing (so is the one for See Emily Play). You may have noticed scenes from the Arnold Layne video projected on the back of the stage at the Waters gig.
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- wowser - 07-11-2002 01:44 PM
i spotted that one
- Jintzey - 09-20-2002 05:36 PM
Huh? Why does the category page say the last post in this topic was:
Sep. 18 2002,11:14
Last Post by: wowser
...when the last one I see is from July 11? Did you delete a new post from here or something wowser, or is this forum having problems?
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- dogpatch! - 09-23-2002 04:38 PM
no, the forum does not have problems just the people on the forums have problems
- simps - 09-24-2002 01:32 AM
What problems?
- dogpatch! - 09-24-2002 07:57 AM
tell me something
- wowser - 09-24-2002 03:40 PM
hey hey, don't look at me, i don't alter posts
- Jintzey - 09-25-2002 06:58 PM
The forum has been acting freaky in many different ways lately.
- simps - 09-25-2002 11:02 PM
It sure has. Ikonboard has made a new version of its forum technology in PHP which is far better/faster in every way than CGI which is being used right now. I would say upgrade to it right away but every time any changes/upgrades have ever been made to this forum all the data disappears, so proceed with caution. I think all the forums at http://www.wetcanvas.com are powered by it if anyone wants to see it in action.
- wowser - 09-25-2002 11:15 PM
hey buddy, if i wanted to talk about php and asp i would be going to geeks.com's message board
- simps - 09-26-2002 10:03 AM
Wowser: if we wanted to talk about those rodents of yours we'd be on a rodent forum, surely?
The PHP Ikonboard is worth pfonline considering with care if/whenever he next feels an upgrade is in order, I think.
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- dogpatch! - 10-01-2002 12:20 PM
you saw me there?
- DiamanteLouco - 03-06-2003 03:42 AM
- simps - 03-06-2003 05:38 AM
Wouldn't You Miss Me: the best of Syd Barrett is well worth looking into for those who don't want to buy the solo albums individually. Contrary to what might be said, most of Syd's solo work is superb (just as his PF work is of course, but that's generally accepted already).
I'd say it's definitely worth buying Piper and Saucerful as well as Relics (a compilation of Syd-era PF singles/B-sides) because they sound great in their entireities - you don't get a full dose from just the singles or any other selected tracks alone. I have every PF album, including Relics, which is well worth a play now and then, but Piper is an all-time classic, and Saucerful ends with the magnificient Syd song Jugband Blues that HAS to be heard.
- wowser - 05-21-2003 09:27 PM
even me, as a post waters PF fan, recently bought thr best of Syd wouldn't you miss me. i love it, golden hair and effervecing elephant are my favourites. if u like syd, check out the soft boys or robyn hitchcock, in fact if you like syd, HE IS A MUST. some may have seen Robyn perfoming dominoes in his back garden on that bbc documentary
- simps - 05-22-2003 03:01 AM
It's great you got the Best of Syd compilation I'd been talking about, wowser.
- ILOVEPF - 07-15-2003 02:41 PM
This thread is very wierd indeed. Why do people come to the Syd Barrett portion of the message board and start complaining about him. Seems a little off to me. Isnt this part for appreciation of his works?
And to the person who was saying they think Syd was no good in PF whatsoever is pretty ignorant. All opinions aside regarding whether or not he was a good musician or addition to Pink Floyd, without him who would have started it?
If you give him no credit or respect for the brilliant man he was, at least give him the acknowledgment he deserves.
Most people on this board can say PF is their favorite band and i think Syd deserves a shrine to his name for being the founder of that at least. Show some respect for god sakes.
- simps - 07-19-2003 02:58 PM
I started this thread at least a year ago, I think, when most of you were still wearing short trousers.
I agree Syd is great, as regular visitors will already know.
Was at the Tate Modern art gallery in London today and one of the shop staff was singing Syd's solo song "Bob Dylan Blues" to his colleague behind the counter. Great song available on Best Of type CD.
- ingafromsweden - 07-22-2003 12:59 AM
Please, stop voting for the PF albums. I want The Madcap to win. Thank you in advance. :)
- Jintzey - 07-22-2003 05:33 PM
simps Wrote:Was at the Tate Modern art gallery in London today and one of the shop staff was singing Syd's solo song "Bob Dylan Blues" to his colleague behind the counter.Haha that's so cool. Floydian sightings can be found anywhere you look. :)
- simps - 07-24-2003 10:26 AM
The guy was singing it perfectly as well. I thought it was a CD being played as background music until I realized it was (near perfect) vocals only, no guitar, and then I spotted the chap behind the counter singing it. He would stop to talk about Syd to his silent colleague after a couple of verses before continuing with another verse. I was extremely surprised.
- wowser - 07-27-2003 08:53 PM
they got good dtuff there hav'nt they? i took the train to Queens only to find that the MOMA there is tiny and not worth the bothyer. jees! is it free to get in the tate?
- simps - 07-28-2003 12:38 PM
- wowser - 08-03-2003 05:11 PM
i'll check that one out
- Caravanserai - 08-30-2003 03:38 AM
This is a hard poll for me, because I like Syd's solo stuff very much. Certainly I won't vote for Saucerful - there's not enough Syd in it.
Piper has some great songs (Astronomy Domine, Lucifer Sam, Bike), but if you compare Chapter 24 or Scarecrow to his later works, it seems weak.
Madcap has lots of wonderful tunes, my favourite songs like Terrapin, No Good Trying, Octopus, Feel, Here I Go, Golden Hair..., but this is destroyed by the idiotic producers' (yeah, Pink Floyd's) work. If It's In You does not deserve to be there and the false starts are making me feel sick. The album could have been much better with Opel instead of If It's In You and the Opel version of Wouldn't You Miss Me instead of the original one and having edited the false starts.
Barrett is my choice then - it has another couple of great songs - Baby Lemonade, Wolfpack, Gigolo Aunt, Dominoes, Waving My Arms.../I Never Lied To You and is certainly professionally produced.
- dys tterab - 12-23-2003 09:27 AM
i really think that syd barrett's albums and lyrics r a lot more confusing than roger waters lyrics
- Anonymous - 01-18-2004 09:41 PM
didn't syd barrett do the album "MORE"????? i loved that album. especially after smoking pot. but it was good even without the drugs. does anyone know whether he did MORE or not? please email me and let me know. thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:
- floydhead928 - 01-19-2004 03:38 PM
SAUCERFUL
- floydhead928 - 01-19-2004 03:39 PM
im1slygirl@yahoo.com Wrote:didn't syd barrett do the album "MORE"????? i loved that album. especially after smoking pot. but it was good even without the drugs. does anyone know whether he did MORE or not? please email me and let me know. thanks!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:Syd was long gone by More
- simps - 01-20-2004 02:24 PM
My poll lists the PF and solo albums Syd played on in full. There weren't many.
- Kimbers Sheep - 01-22-2004 09:32 PM
Piper , although I do like alot of the solo stuff alot as far as overall album I have to say the first
- simps - 01-23-2004 11:31 AM
Kimbers Sheep surely takes the prize for best name on this board so far, the equivalent to my introducing Billy Bass, the singing fish as the best avatar.
- tarkus15 - 01-25-2004 07:55 AM
Syd was a very talented man. It is very unfortunate that he could not continue in the band, however his influence always remained strong. As for his solo stuff he was pretty much out of it while they recorded but there are a few gems in there. Baby Lemonade, Gigolo Aunt, Effervescing Elephant, and Maisie were fabulous.
- wowser - 01-25-2004 08:02 AM
tarkus15 Wrote:Syd was a very talented man. It is very unfortunate that he could not continue in the band, however his influence always remained strong. As for his solo stuff he was pretty much out of it while they recorded but there are a few gems in there. Baby Lemonade, Gigolo Aunt, Effervescing Elephant, and Maisie were fabulous.that's nonsense. his solo work is far better than the PF stuff
- simps - 01-25-2004 03:45 PM
wowser Wrote:that's nonsense. his solo work is far better than the PF stuffHis PF work and solo work are very different although both have an identifiable Syd trademark quality to them in the song structure if not the arrangements and productions. Hard to say either is better than the other. He set high standards all the way through and retired for a quiet life never having really put a foot wrong on record. He should be very content.
- floydianyid - 01-30-2004 03:55 AM
even tho i voted for piper, his solo work is fantastic, its a bit hard to get into but give it time after all its not gonna sound like the piper stuff is it
:O
- Meg - 02-07-2004 12:11 PM
My favorite SB albums:
1. Piper at the gates of dawn
2. The madcap laughs
3. Barrett
4. A saucerful of secrets
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- micke - 03-29-2004 02:45 AM
floydianyid Wrote:even tho i voted for piper, his solo work is fantastic, its a bit hard to get into but give it time after all its not gonna sound like the piper stuff is itya.
:O
i like :love: syds solostuff more than the thngs he did with floyd...
well...theyr good too,but not as good as the solos.
- Oobleck42 - 03-29-2004 01:14 PM
simps Wrote:Billy Bass, the singing fishI hate those things...
- wowser - 05-23-2004 05:39 PM
HAHA! Yes! How can they be cool if the queen has one? (and if the Sun newspaper championed them) I HATE THEM!!!
http://www.dfmm.org/news_archive/big_mouth_bass.html
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- floydianyid - 06-03-2004 03:12 PM
wowser Wrote:yeh his solo stuff is great, much more interesting than listening to any roger waters solo records and also don't you like piper, relics and other syd era pf songs, everything he done sounded great imo.tarkus15 Wrote:Syd was a very talented man. It is very unfortunate that he could not continue in the band, however his influence always remained strong. As for his solo stuff he was pretty much out of it while they recorded but there are a few gems in there. Baby Lemonade, Gigolo Aunt, Effervescing Elephant, and Maisie were fabulous.that's nonsense. his solo work is far better than the PF stuff
- Lumiere - 06-06-2004 03:35 AM
Piper is one of the best PF albums ever, IMO. Saucer is cool and Relics is a lot of fun.
I also like his solo albums a lot, if only because the music is so eclectic. Syd had a different music idea every minute, and so the songs reflect this.
- wowser - 06-06-2004 03:37 AM
floydianyid Wrote:yeh his solo stuff is great, much more interesting than listening to any roger waters solo recordsAmen!
- floydianyid - 06-06-2004 05:15 AM
"Jiving on down to the beach
to see the blue and the gray
seems to be all and it's rosy-it's a beautiful day!"
- Bar - 06-09-2004 03:09 PM
I'm not the biggest psychadelic fan so I prefer listening to his solo acoustic stuff.
- Lumiere - 07-03-2004 02:23 PM
This may prove to a showcase of my ineptity, but what the hell - are the Barrett solo albums good? I like Piper, if that's any help.
- floydianyid - 07-26-2004 04:50 PM
Lumiere Wrote:This may prove to a showcase of my ineptity, but what the hell - are the Barrett solo albums good? I like Piper, if that's any help.they are great
- Space Cadet - 08-14-2004 10:09 PM
Freddie Wrote:no ******* way. thses people above you mention were nothing after they left their bands. they had a few decent tunes but thats it. as for barret, his stuff in pink floyd was bad enough, his solo stuff was even worse. except for dominos.How can you say that? Syd was an excellent addition to Floyd. Some of Floyd's greatest stuff was made while he was in it. OH, but I guess some people wouldn't be able to appreciate Syd's work... it's an acquired taste, really.
- Zep Fan - 09-03-2004 05:53 AM
Lumiere Wrote:are the Barrett solo albums good? I like Piper, if that's any help.
Quote:I also like his solo albums a lot, if only because the music is so eclectic. Syd had a different music idea every minute, and so the songs reflect this.
- hawkeye the floyder - 10-03-2004 01:09 AM
well i didnt vote i like all of them! sometimes i think he's better than dave.........but i must b tired or summat like that! :ghostface:
- Fat_Trace - 10-03-2004 10:50 AM
I love Saucerful, but then I can claim brain damage from listening to too much Floyd in the wrong illegal conditions? :Oo:
- floydianyid - 10-03-2004 03:07 PM
Fat_Trace Wrote:I love Saucerful, but then I can claim brain damage from listening to too much Floyd in the wrong illegal conditions? :Oo:what does this mean ????
- Old_SChool_Punk - 10-26-2004 11:49 AM
hawkeye the floyder Wrote:well i didnt vote i like all of them! sometimes i think he's better than dave.........but i must b tired or summat like that! :ghostface:No, he is better than dave :D
- Gilmour00 - 10-27-2004 01:50 PM
Old_SChool_Punk Wrote:Better than Dave at guitar or singing?hawkeye the floyder Wrote:well i didnt vote i like all of them! sometimes i think he's better than dave.........but i must b tired or summat like that! :ghostface:No, he is better than dave :D
- Alora - 11-29-2004 12:47 PM
Syd was awesome. His best was in Piper.
- BusStopRatBag - 11-29-2004 02:23 PM
Mad Cap.
just so creative. and its great for a small budget album
- dyolf_knip - 11-29-2004 03:14 PM
Ooooh.. hard choice.
I chose Piper At the Gates of Dawn but The Madcap Laughs would be my second choice.
It's sort of silly having A Saucerful of Secrets on the poll (and the fact that it's currently #2 in the poll is also silly) because Syd didn't really contribute all that much to that album.
I wouldn't really call it one of his own.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-27-2005 10:38 AM
I'd say Piper, even though its basically The Syd Barrett Band and not Pink Floyd in there because it did help to define Floyd's style in later albums. Right down to the Barretian DSOTM track "Brain Damage".
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 08:22 AM
i picked barrett, for obvious reasons :D
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 10:52 AM
dyolf_knip Wrote:Ooooh.. hard choice.I agree. Thats like if we wanted to pick Rick's best and put The Wall on their because he was a session player.
I chose Piper At the Gates of Dawn but The Madcap Laughs would be my second choice.
It's sort of silly having A Saucerful of Secrets on the poll (and the fact that it's currently #2 in the poll is also silly) because Syd didn't really contribute all that much to that album.
I wouldn't really call it one of his own.
- A New Machine - 07-28-2005 12:28 PM
Piper at the Gates of Dawn!
One of their most consistent albums.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 12:33 PM
I'm a bit suprised referring to PATGOD as "basically The Syd Barrett Band" didn't stir up any controversy, but its obviously true.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 12:39 PM
The problem with Syd's work in generally that doesn't plague any other members of Floyd is that its aged terribly. Not a knock on him but its hard to argue otherwise.
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 07-28-2005 12:53 PM
awww....thats not fair. i have opal, barret, and the mad cap laughs (original vinyls. ive also got the shine on box set and the peel sessions albums. now. i think every single song is a gem. they are so diverse that even roger or david cannot play them, bar one or two. he had a brilliant mind. the producers loved him. his fan base loved him. the band and session musicians couldnt keep up with him. and now. in 2005, we have someone saying his stuff is outdated. how can syds stuff be ever outdated. look at pulp. look at blur. look at cast, oasis, and every brit pop group that has come out since the early ninties. robbie williams loves him (and himself). every guitar band now, even ones at live 8 -the killers, snow patrol and the kaiser chiefs owe thir allegeance to syd.
humph
hope thats arguement enough mate.
- AndersonCouncill - 07-28-2005 05:36 PM
Don't get out of line here. Saying his stuff has aged poorly is no exaggeration. Listen to Gnome. Do you really think todays youth could appreciate it. I love Syd but he seems silly to the less mature or artistic children of today. And thats not they're fault it was a diffrent time, a diffrent world and Syd, unlike Roger, was more of a writer of the times and the style of the times.
- Kid-A - 07-29-2005 03:44 AM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:I'm a bit suprised referring to PATGOD as "basically The Syd Barrett Band" didn't stir up any controversy, but its obviously true.it was more like the syd barret and rick wright band I think.
Although Roger did some great bass in that album, it was one of the best performances on bass I think he did in any album.
- pointmeatthesky - 07-31-2005 03:06 PM
I cannot decide, i like his solo work more than his work with the floyd
- Scream Thy Last Scream - 08-01-2005 04:18 AM
AndersonCouncill Wrote:Don't get out of line here. Saying his stuff has aged poorly is no exaggeration. Listen to Gnome. Do you really think todays youth could appreciate it. I love Syd but he seems silly to the less mature or artistic children of today. And thats not they're fault it was a diffrent time, a diffrent world and Syd, unlike Roger, was more of a writer of the times and the style of the times.ac
just one thing. did you know placebo covered 'dark globe'? i wouldnt call that silly. placebo were, and still are, a brilliant band. they have a huge fan base, have a new album out soon, and in my personal opinion, if there ever was a movie about syd, brian molko would be perfect. he has the dark looks and his voice. even the mention of a syd movie proves that syd will never go out of date. why do think he has those weird stalkers filming him? for personal gain or to sell it as footage? i think the latter. because if i sold every single bootleg i had of syd, id make a mint.
so you see anders, old pal. syd is timeless, and always will be.
- AndersonCouncill - 08-01-2005 02:21 PM
But thats the exception. Your not likely to find many more recent acts who appreciate Syd's work.
- MonkeyPox621 - 08-01-2005 08:24 PM
Piper at the gates was the obvious choice for me cause it always makes me smile after i hear Bike
- King Bee - 08-02-2005 06:23 PM
piper is syds best
- Pato - 08-08-2005 06:38 AM
Piper