(05-10-2010 05:49 PM)RogerWatersRules Wrote:  It's just kind of funny, after DG talked at the time about how weak he thought TFC was. And now we know why Roger left. If someone is putting your songs down all the time, you're not going to take the abuse. So although people always demonize Roger, I think they forget that DG, Rick, and NM probably did their share of putting Roger down as well - and they outnumbered him, so he must have felt the way TFC fans feel now, with everyone saying they're wrong to feel that way. "Showing feelings of an almost human nature - this will not do!"

Luckily, he still knew his ideas were good. But I'm sure it wasn't easy.

I don't know what's the most wrong thing about this -- the idea that Roger was the persecuted one that was always on the defensive, or that the reason Roger claimed Pink Floyd was a "spent force creatively" had nothing to do with his overweening arrogance. Even worse, you claim the people who don't like The Final Cut are "sheep". The hell?

Roger made it virtually impossible for David and Nick to contribute in any meaningful way to The Final Cut, and Rick had been kicked out of the band 3 years earlier, so he had absolutely no part in it. Hell, they barely had any contributions to The Wall, aside from Young Lust, Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb. That's what, 3 songs out of 21? The Final Cut was essentially stuff from the cutting room floor that didn't make The Wall and when David said that they should work on totally new material, Roger essentially told him to go eff himself. How can a group get any work done in that kind of environment?

(05-10-2010 05:49 PM)RogerWatersRules Wrote:  Roger chose to end the band - and it was over.

Umm, who's the real sheep here.....



For the 1 billionth time. Roger did not choose to end the band. He chose to leave the band. Big difference.....

It was not HIS band to end.

(05-11-2010 11:36 AM)quicksilver Wrote:  

(05-10-2010 05:49 PM)RogerWatersRules Wrote:  Roger chose to end the band - and it was over.

Umm, who's the real sheep here.....



For the 1 billionth time. Roger did not choose to end the band. He chose to leave the band. Big difference.....

It was not HIS band to end.

Exactly right, history cannot be re-written.

For every person who thinks David Gilmour is Jesus Christ, there's 10 people who think Roger Waters is God. Both sets of people are annoying. I don't deify anyone and I don't excuse anyone either. The only person in the band who probably had no hand in the band's problems was Nick -- he strikes me as the kind of person content to not get involved. Everyone else had their hand in the cookie jar as far as that went.

That being said, it was Roger who said "Eff this, I'm out of here" and left the group, claiming that Pink Floyd was no more. Well.....that wasn't his call to make. He was free to leave and he did, and David and Nick were free to continue as Pink Floyd and do what they want to do. Which they did.

I won't say I really hate what they have done after Waters left, but I think they're absolutely the worst albums Pink Floyd has produced. The Division Bell has a sound that leans a lot towards The Dark Side of the Moon, though, which is nice. But the compositions and lyrics are really empty.

The one thing I really missed about the band after Wish You Were Here , was the musical content . Not surprising , considering the strong personalities involved , there was discord between the two guys who were the driving forces in the band when more emphasis was put on the lyrical content to the exclusion and detriment of the musical aspects of the composition . You know what , I actually like the Wall and the Final Cut , but I can't help but think , what if Roger had been secure enough to let David have more input in how things went . Oh well , I've long since forgiven both of them for being human , but what if ?

A Momentary Lapse of Reason was ok. I didn't like The Division Bell.

(05-11-2010 03:25 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  I won't say I really hate what they have done after Waters left, but I think they're absolutely the worst albums Pink Floyd has produced. The Division Bell has a sound that leans a lot towards The Dark Side of the Moon, though, which is nice. But the compositions and lyrics are really empty.

We're on the same page here :) Except that I really do dislike MLOR, mainly because of the awful 80s production, plus that I can't think of any songs on it that really like. The Division Bell is a little better with High Hopes, Coming Back to Life and Marooned. There's some tasty guiterwork on that album, but like Arno said: the lyrics are terrible (except for High Hopes), sometimes really makes you cringe.

I'd take The Wall & The Final Cut over the post-Waters stuff any day, but Roger's solo-stuff isn't all too impressive either, I feel.

Pink Floyd was better than the sum of their parts to say it in a cheesy way, but it's true, they really needed eachother to shine.

no your not its all based on taste in the end but hate is a bit harsh of a word

I like The Division Bell and AMLOR is ok. I don't hate any of Pink Floyds music I have albums I like better then others but they all good albums.

(05-09-2009 02:26 AM)MacPhisto Wrote:  Aww, I'll bet I'm the one of the only ones here who thinks The Final Cut completely annihilates all post-Roger Floyd :(

No, you're not the only one. While I do enjoy some of AMLOR and TDB neither can touch the emotional depth that The Final Cut carries throughout it's lyrics. The Gunners Dream?? Highly overlooked album by the more casual listeners.

I think it's because it relies more on the lyrics and less on melody compared to previous efforts which makes it harder for some to get into. Who knows, but I am with you; The Final Cut is a grand album.