Its interesting to note how different PF fans percieve the music.

For me the lyrics of Echoes is just a string of words, just to enable the human voices to add to the other instruments. To make a whole. I dont see any particular depth in those words. Its the music that speaks to me.

(05-18-2010 03:02 PM)Libbywaters74D Wrote:  I hate that everything has to be Teamed like "Team Roger" "Team" David. No human is perfect and has pulled some stupid stuff. I think TFC is a Pink Floyd album that enjoy very much. I am a Roger Waters fan but I do enjoy "Learning To Fly" and "Sorrow" as well.

Team Roger = the people who think Roger had no part in Pink Floyd's problems and therefore, should shoulder no blame/responsibility for the mess between 1977 and 1985.

Team David = the people who think David had no part in Pink Floyd's problems and therefore, should shoulder no blame/responsibility for the mess between 1977 and 1985.


That's what it means. And they do exist, don't kid yourself. I know people from both camps. As much as I'm a Gilmour Girl, I'm not of the opinion that David is perfect and somehow has risen above all the problems the band went through. He had an ego of his own that clashed horrifically with Roger's, Rick had a drug problem that made it impossible for him to work and that caused friction between him, Roger and David......Nick.....I think Nick might be the only truly blameless person in the whole thing. I don't remember ever reading anything that suggested he was part of all the drama and infighting. I think he was content to just sit back and let the other three make asses of themselves, and they did.

Which truly sucks because they were so damn good and pissed it all away. To think of what great music the four of them could have done after The Wall if only they would have pulled their heads from their asses.

I am a Roger Waters girl and yeah he did have a bit of an ago problem but I love his music with and without Pink Floyd.

(05-18-2010 01:57 PM)cevor Wrote:  It's also impossible to re-write history.

History was written, and there was no better way for them (Pink Floyd) to finish, than with a studio LP, with a Grammy winning track that went to No 1 in the US and the UK. I guess there were many people in the world that thought there's more to music than just the lyrics. It's called music and it's not science, it's just music and how it moves you.

Good luck to Roger with his tour.

(05-19-2010 05:15 AM)wet dream Wrote:  

(05-18-2010 01:57 PM)cevor Wrote:  It's also impossible to re-write history.

History was written, and there was no better way for them (Pink Floyd) to finish, than with a studio LP, with a Grammy winning track that went to No 1 in the US and the UK. I guess there were many people in the world that thought there's more to music than just the lyrics. It's called music and it's not science, it's just music and how it moves you.

Good luck to Roger with his tour.

Well said... All of the best to Roger on his tour!

Seems gravedigging isn't frowned upon on this forum, so I thought I'd add my view. :)

In my opinion, post-Waters Pink Floyd is just as empty as post-Pink Floyd Waters. Roger tried to work with all kinds of musicians (because, admittedly, Roger is not a musician. He's a composer/artist/whatever you want to call it. He creates music, but doesn't really play it), and it ended up rather horribly because he didn't have a sound of his own. Each of his albums sound completely different (hell, even each of his songs do) and there's no structure. Lyrically and compositionally, he was God, but he didn't have any arrangements.

About David and what was left of Pink Floyd; they had arrangements. They had a great sound (I think TDB is even as good as Dark Side of the Moon, sound-wise) but they didn't have any songs or inspiration. And in case they didn't have the "Pink Floyd" name, they would have been just as unsuccessful as Roger was on his own. I know it may sound degrading, but David was clearly not made for leading a band on his own. When I listen to his songs, all I hear is an overuse of guitars, and half-assed lyrics with amazing one-liners but not a single song of which each line is spot on. (High Hopes may be an exception to this.) His attempts to make his music more "special" were vain, too, and that's something Roger completely failed at as well. The fair-like sounds in Poles Apart and the woodcutting sounds in one of the songs on Amused To Death (can't remember which) are completely useless and meaningless. I'm quite sure they were both just trying to sound like Pink Floyd, though.

All in all, it's quite simple. Both tried to do things without each other, and both failed. They had always relied on each other, and they simply couldn't create any decent music without their usual bandmates. It's the fate of all great artists. In case Roger, David, Rick, Nick or Syd would not have existed, the other four would never ever have been famous. (With the exception of David, I guess, since he's an amazing guitar player who could probably fit into any band.) Syd's departure was a different story, but when Roger left, they weren't going to be as successful/influential as before. Simply impossible. Even Lennon and McCartney failed at that; how could Pink Floyd possibly think they'd succeed? ;D

In my opinion, there are three Pink Floyds; Pink Floyd, Post-Syd Pink Floyd, Post-Waters Pink Floyd. They all have different-ish styles.

This has been hashed over so many times, the plain fact of the matter is that the "post-Waters" Floyd was every bit, if not more successful than the band was before. Album and concert ticket sales don't lie. Roger's solo releases were (are) brilliant as well.

Uh...? I'd like some references or quotes for that statement. Not to mention that it's rather irrelevant. Unless you're going to say that Justin Bieber is one of the best artists of all time.

Like I said... it's been done over and over, it's right here on the forum. Irrelevant? Hardly, no more than your previous post based strictly on opinion.