(05-04-2011 12:43 PM)Lady Floydian Wrote: It isn't vague, and it's your opinion that it doesn't "bring anything to the discussion." Not to mention, that's extremely rude. When someone says that life (or anything) isn't black and white, it means it's not simple. Everything in life is not a clear yes or no. There are almost endless variables in that gray area between black and white. We live in the shades of gray. Which absolutely ties in to what I was saying earlier. You said it's "wrong" to be happy or find joy in Osama Bin Laden's death because killing is wrong.....and I said life isn't black and white. Meaning. it's not that simple just to say "killing is wrong" or that finding joy in the death of someone like Osama Bin Laden is wrong. I had family in Germany suffer through the Hitler/Nazi regime (though they weren't Jews), and you damn well better believe they were singing folk songs of happiness when it was announced that he'd offed himself.
Was that "wrong" of them? Hell no. They suffered, and their suffering was lifted. That's a joyous occasion in my book. Osama Bin Laden was indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people all over the world. He was a serial killer. He caused grief and torment and anguish and pain and suffering and you know something? It's okay to kill that person, and it's okay if some people out there want to be happy and joyful at the fact he's dead. He can't cause anymore deaths, he can't sit around in a cave or palace somewhere smug in the knowledge that he's caused thousands of deaths and gotten away with it.
Sometimes killing is right. If someone raped and murdered my sister, I'd push the plunger to kill that sorry bastard myself. If the crimes you've committed are so heinous, so noxious, so unfathomable, then your death can only be seen as a positive.
I personally think you're a bit off on this. Yes, a villain's death can produce joyful reactions out of people, but I highly doubt that this is much other than the "bittersweet flavour of revenge". No person is better off dead than alive. No person is capable of judging whether a person deserves life or not, and if anybody is
capable of it, certainly it's not people like you or me.
I think it's important to realise that - however menacing, evil and tasteless his way of working was - Osama Bin Laden had a goal to achieve, and it wasn't just to threaten people into accepting the Islam. People do everything with a reason, and unlike Hitler, whose inclinations and intentions are documented in detail, there isn't much knowledge about Bin Laden's motivations, other than the things the American government has indoctrinated us into believing. If one of my family members would have died in 9/11, I'd be crying into a bucket right now, because my desire to know why they died would have been much bigger than my desire to avenge them.
To continue on your example about if your sister'd get raped: Right before finally murdering that person, you'd probably hold them down and make them confess every word about why they did what they did. (Unless you're actually just looking for revenge, of course.) If you'd not do that, you'd end up wondering what exactly happened, and in case your sister isn't able to tell you, you'll wonder this for the rest of your life. I figuratively challenge you to imagine how it must feel to live with such a thought.
is what the relatives of 9/11's victims go through right now. They're relieved with Bin Laden being killed, but their desire for information will only grow because of this. Short lived happiness.