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rolanddoe · 04-01-2006 08:45 PM

I feel I have already adequately explained my position, Spectre. But as you have already reopened the question of multiple user names being in violation of of regulations here I'm going to ask again if Og is in fact against board rules. I should also explain again why and how Og came to be, this time in full detail. After enduring several days of senselessly abusive counterposting by a member calling himself Seamus the Dog, I found myself in a kind of alternate reality. For one thing I wondered who the hell STD was and why he was suddenly on my case with a destination sticker. Previously we had shared several very friendly exchanges but now he was like programmed zealot from the holy church of Roger Waters. I was accused of living in a cave hiding from the reality that is tell-all-your-side book "wisdom" with a phantom companion. I was a self-revisionist with no skill at communication, just for my attempts to rephrase my position for STD's benefit. Anything he thought would provoke a response of anger was utilized in lieu of actual debate. I let this roll off my back. At the same time I was visiting other threads and I began to notice how younger people here post about nothing much just for the fun of it. I was usually dismissed offhand for attempting the same. What would it take to approximate the special leeway granted to teenagers around here to be irrepressibly goofy and outrageous. STD had already provided the answer in general terms. Og was born. But when I attempted to create his account I was told by automated programs that only one account could be tied to each e-mail address. I thought that was strange. How would a family with two long time Floydians and two teenage ones manage to have their own separate accounts here? The answer was immediate and obvious. E-mail sub-addresses. I tried it. Og was delivered. I began posting as Og on the premise that he was a primitive without the intellectual wiring to use prepositions or the verb to be. Cavespeak. The first comedic attempts featured him trying to explain his linguistic deficiencies (Preposition not necessary! Verb be redundant!) and procure vacuum tubes in trade for bales (bales!) of special bamboo, an obvious drug reference. The tubes were necessary to allow him to jump to the present time. Later he began to wax enthususistically and primitively philosophical about sex roles and tribal interrelationships, even sports, like bass playing! He was a sexist adolescent hippie living a communal lifestyle with a frank and honest attitude about everything, including his woo stick and his woman's soft cave! One teen who feels free to post about how good it would be to get a blow job. From your mother. (This is what I read around here. Don't be piling boxes at my doorstep for being honest.) He found the mention of woo sticks to be outrageous from somone whose age he couldn't pin down. A couple of other teenagers felt unrestrained in telling Og to shut up. One suggested he kill himself. But some adult males took the time to nudge nudge wink wink around with him. He got no direct response from the fairer sex. I found these results very interesting. Nevertheless I retired him for the most part. He only appeared later in occasional posts where I deemed his primal oeuvre appropriate or even inapropriate. Neither rolanddoe or Og has ever garnered a single colored box of board discipline. I revealed the fact that Og was an alter-ego to fellow boardmembers about a month ago. There has been no indication from anyone involved in the board administration at anytime that my second account had been determined to be in violation of board rules. Not even after my public disclosure that we were the same person. Yet I am now informed in the heat of debate that you have long ago determined as much if it is something I should be ashamed of. This is obvious rhetoric and I resent it personally. I did in fact create a fictional son in order to create Og's account. My motivations in doing so were to investigate the double standards some of us apply as to what is appropriate public behavior. You could not have known that my son was in fact fictional until I disclosed the truth about Og. In addition Og and rolanddoe were only used in tandem on 3 occasions. If this is tantamount to using Og to talk to myself habitually as has been implied I will be satisfied to leave you all muttering under your breath about it. So much for honesty. Honesty having been covered you should know that I have promised myself I would not be drawn into a debate about what constitutes nonsense. I now resume my normal place as an unboxed member of the board. If you wish to debate my actions further you may PM me.

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**Spectre** · 04-02-2006 06:06 AM

Not intending to stir the fires here, but:

Quote:In addition Og and rolanddoe were only used in tandem on 3 occasions.

I think Ive read in more than 3 occassions where you were "talking to yourself" :)

Quote:Yet I am now informed in the heat of debate that you have long ago determined as much if it is something I should be ashamed of.

Where did I say that? I simply said this whole caveman thing is immature and really pointless on this board. I dont see the point of it on a Pink Floyd message board. I think you stepped over the line when you went from Outside The Wall to this forum. The goofy stuff belongs there...not in here. Thanks however for explaining the story behind Og. It does clarify a number of things and I appreciate you taking the time to do this.

As far as the future use of the Og account, that is up to the rest of the team. If they decide its fine, then its fine with me. I made it clear to all of them when I came here that Im not the authority and ruler here. I rule by position only. I dont ban or moderate this site unless its brought to me by the staff.

and, regarding this by RS:

Quote:On several forums, its a hard job, with little positive user feedback. Either I'm ignored or bitched at for the way I do my job.

Aint that the truth. Im an admin on 2 boards, moderator on 2, and a former admin on another and its a thankless job outside of the staff. No one likes to be policed, but in the end, it makes a better experience for everyone [or at the very least defines the tone and attitude of the site and its members].

Spectre
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Steve Hill · 04-02-2006 12:08 PM

I remember a time when most members got along, used judgement when posting and intelligent discussion was encouraged, jabbering on was frowned upon. I know I am partly to blame in this site being what it is now, but I can't be held accountable for people exercising judgement.

As I said earlier, I no longer feel we are a community, but several small groups on one common board. I say we all try to move on and rise above others' comments, otherwise we might as well scrub "community" out of the title on this page.

I'm still willing if others are.

rolanddoe · 04-02-2006 04:29 PM

Spectre Wrote:
Quote:Yet I am now informed in the heat of debate that you have long ago determined as much if it is something I should be ashamed of.

Where did I say that?

Just to keep the facts straight it was Kimbers who said this. I also think putting this behind us is the wise approach, Steve. And as for future use of Og, I think his feelings may finally be too hurt. << (Hint; joke!)

**Jintzey** · 04-02-2006 10:15 PM

rolanddoe Wrote:Has PFO himself instructed you to curtail our giggling childishness? If so I will gladly donate $100 and then tell him exactly where to go as many times as it takes to get banned.

Looks like you're out $100 :;):

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(I lost count how many times we've had to repost this due to people somehow being unaware of it, despite the fact it is pinned up top in this forum.)

rolanddoe · 04-03-2006 02:11 AM

OK, Jintzey, even though it's questionable that our giggling childishness is the politics and arguement PFO mentioned a half year ago, I am moved into action. I have already had some enjoyable conversations and fun. I mentioned Roger in this very thread just the other day so talkin' about Floyd is covered as well. As for quality posts I leave that determination to the critics. (Maybe I should start a poll. Nah... sounds like board politics.) Now I'm off to make good on my promises. (And I did see you winking, OK?) :O << PS; Is there a way to use this blathering smilie as an avatar?

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rolanddoe · 04-03-2006 03:14 AM

OK, it's taken care of. $49.99 of it is from Og, btw. You wouldn't off your second largest contributor, would you?

Steve Hill · 04-03-2006 04:04 AM

To use that smilie as an avatar, right click (Windows)/ctrl-click (Mac) the image and find out it's url and copy this address, (ctrl-c for windows, cmd-c for Mac). Then go to "your control panel", "personal info" and "avatar options". Post the url into the relavant external link box, (ctrl-v/cmd-v), and make sure the size is set to a square ratio of either 64x64 or anything else that is 1:1 which reduces pixelisation of the image.

Job done.

rolanddoe · 04-03-2006 10:03 AM

Thanks for the help, Steve. But it appears I'm going to have to find a higher resolution alternative. Maybe I'll even do something creative.

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**cevor** · 04-03-2006 10:35 AM

I like the third eye effect, kinda fitting....lol

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