Xardie Wrote:fudge, this crap just keeps going on.

For the record I recently read about these molestation claims again because that's what many people in here just keep babbling about and had to come to conclusion that *there are absolutely no evidence*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Micha

Exactly. Whatever happened to being innocent before proven guilty? There are a lot of people in here who are assuming that the charges were definitely correct when, in actual fact, there was little evidence to back it up. I am sure that if Roger Waters, for example, was faced with similar charges, most of us would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, yet personal opinions have scewed many people's responses in the wake of his tragic death.

Now nearly a week on from the death, I have had time to reflect and, although it is obviously a sad loss, you get the feeling that he was ready and willing to go; particularly in his press conference for the 'This Is It' tour he seemed very downhearted. Maybe it was, in all likelihood, for the best.

Wings on the Pig Wrote:

Xardie Wrote:fudge, this crap just keeps going on.

For the record I recently read about these molestation claims again because that's what many people in here just keep babbling about and had to come to conclusion that *there are absolutely no evidence*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Micha

Exactly. Whatever happened to being innocent before proven guilty?

That's a very flawed logic; coming from someone who has served on a jury

On a more internet-based, childish note: Wiki quote to backup argument = fail.

Dyolf Wrote:

Wings on the Pig Wrote:

Xardie Wrote:fudge, this crap just keeps going on.

For the record I recently read about these molestation claims again because that's what many people in here just keep babbling about and had to come to conclusion that *there are absolutely no evidence*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Micha

Exactly. Whatever happened to being innocent before proven guilty?

That's a very flawed logic; coming from someone who has served on a jury

On a more internet-based, childish note: Wiki quote to backup argument = fail.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with wiki articles if they have the references etc.

The much touted "inreliability" of wiki comes mainly from cases where there isn't much references and reliability of articles is thus nigh-impossible to find out. Other is when we have article on very specialized things such as some weirdasss subsection of quantum mechanics but "even books" can get those things wrong. FYI few years ago in a survey the amount of mistakes in wiki was pretty much same as in your general factbook

Anyway, those are NOT cases with jacko article.

In short: you lose


I too have believed MJ being child molester until I started to find things out on my own. It's the fact guy was weird as hell that made claims quite beliavable. Of course if something is beliavable it doesn't mean it's true

The morning after a long night of milk & cookies at never never land?

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cevor Wrote:

Xardie Wrote:

cevor Wrote:Innocent like OJ, child molesters don't RIP....sorry. Members of the American media are making this freak out to be Ghandi.

I'm not sure if the whole Jacko molesting kid deal was ever conclusively proven... so I've given him benefit of doubt through all these years

Big checks make many things go away. I respect his impact on music, but his creativity declined with his nose. King of Pop? I think not.
imho of course.

The guy who said he molested the child admitted he didn't after MJ died! They said he did for money, which MJ kindly payed because he did not want to go into court. What now?

Idoownu Wrote:

cevor Wrote:

Xardie Wrote:

cevor Wrote:Innocent like OJ, child molesters don't RIP....sorry. Members of the American media are making this freak out to be Ghandi.

I'm not sure if the whole Jacko molesting kid deal was ever conclusively proven... so I've given him benefit of doubt through all these years

Big checks make many things go away. I respect his impact on music, but his creativity declined with his nose. King of Pop? I think not.
imho of course.

The guy who said he molested the child admitted he didn't after MJ died! They said he did for money, which MJ kindly payed because he did not want to go into court. What now?

Yeah, he said from what I read he did it under pressure from his father.

Xardie Wrote:

Dyolf Wrote:

Wings on the Pig Wrote:

Xardie Wrote:fudge, this crap just keeps going on.

For the record I recently read about these molestation claims again because that's what many people in here just keep babbling about and had to come to conclusion that *there are absolutely no evidence*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Micha

Exactly. Whatever happened to being innocent before proven guilty?

That's a very flawed logic; coming from someone who has served on a jury

On a more internet-based, childish note: Wiki quote to backup argument = fail.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with wiki articles if they have the references etc.

The much touted "inreliability" of wiki comes mainly from cases where there isn't much references and reliability of articles is thus nigh-impossible to find out. Other is when we have article on very specialized things such as some weirdasss subsection of quantum mechanics but "even books" can get those things wrong. FYI few years ago in a survey the amount of mistakes in wiki was pretty much same as in your general factbook

Anyway, those are NOT cases with jacko article.

In short: you lose

And where is this survey?

I didn't say "you lose", I said "fail", so now you fail twice.

Three Different Ones Wrote:

Idoownu Wrote:

cevor Wrote:

Xardie Wrote:

cevor Wrote:Innocent like OJ, child molesters don't RIP....sorry. Members of the American media are making this freak out to be Ghandi.

I'm not sure if the whole Jacko molesting kid deal was ever conclusively proven... so I've given him benefit of doubt through all these years

Big checks make many things go away. I respect his impact on music, but his creativity declined with his nose. King of Pop? I think not.
imho of course.

The guy who said he molested the child admitted he didn't after MJ died! They said he did for money, which MJ kindly payed because he did not want to go into court. What now?

Yeah, he said from what I read he did it under pressure from his father.

He also said that he did his little turnaround because he was mad at his father. From what has happened over the years it's evident that there were more than one, the others just got paid off. Believe what you like guys, I could really care less and am certainly not going to argue over it. Like I said before, I give him credit for his impact on music, but genius and compassionate human I'll save for others. After all, who named him "The King Of Pop"? That's right, he did, the master media manipulator.

Why doesn't this thread make like Jacko and.....

GREAT idea!