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carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:I think he's advancing the theory that it was in fact the World Health Organization that masterminded the attacks. Glad somebody else finally figured it out.

Or else, he's taking the "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" line and testing the waters. It's an idea with a pretty short fuse, especially this time of year. Many people refuse to admit even the smallest possibility that America's foreign policy may, just may, have contributed to the decision to execute the attacks. Still fewer are willing to consider the possibility that certain U.S. actions throughout the country's history could, on the other side, be construed as terrorism. I mean, the atomic bombings that ended World War II were arguably terrorism.

When this issue is raised, these people fall back on a very, VERY limited definition of terrorism that includes suicide bombings and little else. Then they start screaming about disloyalty and anti-
Americanism. I'm wondering if I should even post this, knowing for certain that there will be some mighty nasty backlash.

Now, I don't pretend to be a political scientist, nor do I have a particularly extensive knowledge of American foreign policy. And I am certainly not condoning what happened eight years ago. But I do know that nothing happens without a cause. Osama bin Laden was not sitting around one day with his compatriots, and out of the blue decide to attack the U.S. If ever we are to truly understand what happened that day, we can't just say "They hate America and freedom" and end the debate, and verbally abuse anyone who says otherwise.

In fact, such a response would be playing into the terrorists' hands. They seek to inspire disunity and chaos. This happens not only due to their actions, killing people and disrupting infrastructure, but in the aftermath of their acts, when an intense and perverted notion of "patriotism" emerges that does not allow for dissent. Soon the "us against them" mentality that started as "us vs. those who attacked us" becomes "us vs. anyone who disagrees." Such a situation will lead to one of two things: anarchy or dictatorship. I have no doubt that such a response is exactly what terrorists are looking for.

This is just a really, really longwinded way of saying "Come on people now, smile on your brother; everybody get together, try to love one another right now."

First of all I do have my own idea of what happened, but I was just asking if you really thought that there is/was a man sitting on his chair who suddenly decided to hire 19 hijackers to tear down the WTC.

There's plenty of evidence (or lack of it) that insinuates that the attacks were not made by some Afghanistan terrorist organization whatsoever. I'm not going to list everything I've heard, which are consistent pieces of evidence to backup my point, but I do tell you that American citizens (most of them) are uncapable or unwilling to think or even question what happened. The government created an enemy in order to spread extreme patriotism, scaring people out so that they would not question any further foreign politics and even encourage upcoming wars. This is what I think and why I ask: who do you think the terrorists are? Afghanistanian people who have probably never existed or a Government which terrify blind people in order to rule them deliberately?

Just a thought.
09-11-2009 05:21 PM
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Mr. Mojo Risin Wrote:First of all I do have my own idea of what happened, but I was just asking if you really thought that there is/was a man sitting on his chair who suddenly decided to hire 19 hijackers to tear down the WTC.

There's plenty of evidence (or lack of it) that insinuates that the attacks were not made by some Afghanistan terrorist organization whatsoever. I'm not going to list everything I've heard, which are consistent pieces of evidence to backup my point, but I do tell you that American citizens (most of them) are uncapable or unwilling to think or even question what happened. The government created an enemy in order to spread extreme patriotism, scaring people out so that they would not question any further foreign politics and even encourage upcoming wars..[/align]



And they did all of this using only one weapon: mass media. Once someone gets a hold of the mass media, they have a firm grasp on the entire nation. Its ridiculous how many people just take what they are told and they are taught to never ask questions.
09-11-2009 07:15 PM
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wow Mr. Mojo I think im the only person here who knows what your talking about....and support your opinion strongly!

about a year after the incident happened a friend of mine sent me a link to a 911 conspiracy video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

after watching it a couple times it blew my mind, and made me realize that this video could actually be true......the video doesnt show one one or a couple reasons terrorist were not involved.......but instead showed like....100 or more logical explanations and evidence to prove this theory......its veryyyy weird....I promise anyone who watched the whole hour and 20 minute video that who will be a little freaked out, the American government is disgusting and gross and lie to us everyday
09-11-2009 09:02 PM
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As somebody on my regular forum rightly pointed out, the number of innocent Afghanis and Iraqis killed by the American military in the ensuing wars far outnumbers the number of Americans killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. I'm not saying 9/11 wasn't a horrible event - as far as I'm concerned, every one of the people who died eight years ago was a case of murder - but it wasn't the global tragedy that people make it out to be when you consider the greater numbers of people who die every day due to American militarism, and have been suffering for it for decades.

If the American government really regretted the loss of innocent life, then a far louder statement would be to stop taking more of it, rather than simply declaring the anniversary of a relatively minor incident a holiday in their own nation. I don't see the point of commemorating anything, because as far as I'm concerned the unnecessary murders are still occurring, and until they stop any sort of remembrance is grossly hypocritical.
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One more thing: I don't know how many of you are religious people but it is amazingly sad how religion teaches us and gets us used to not asking questions and simply accepting what we're told. Similarly mass-media is used in the USA to manipulate and make-believe. That's quite sadder.
09-12-2009 07:38 AM
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"Loose Change" has been debunked so many times, I cannot believe people still buy into it. Go to any website about it, and if you've invested the hour and a half needed to sit through it, hopefully you'll have equal patience in reading any of a number of point-by-point rebuttals. This film is the video equivalent of the $20 bill conspiracy.

If all the learned and scientific arguments raised against the movie weren't enough, consider this point, which I saw on some website shortly after the film was released. The fact that its creator is even alive proves that it is not true. A government that orchestrated the deaths of over 3,000 of its own civilians lets some idiot with primitive editing software create a video that exposes the entire conspiracy?

The U.S. had knowledge of the attacks? Sure, we saw that in 1941 as well. The U.S. conceived, planned, organized, and carried out the attacks? Makes no sense. No sense whatsoever. And don't say they did it to get us all whipped up into a patriotic furor so we wouldn't question the decision to go to war. A far less destructive operation would have done that. Even one in which nobody died would have done it. Adolf Hitler achieved martial law and dictatorial powers in Germany by burning the Reichstag, but he did it when it was empty. See how easy it is? Had the U.S. government been the ones behind the whole thing, it would have been something like that.
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I'm not sure how deep the US government went in order to let the attacks to be made, but as far as I concern (and as many people said, including some people in the army), the very same day that this happened, a trial was being carried out by the US Army, which featured the exact same situation that occurred.

So you're telling me that being aware that more than 3 thousand people are going to get killed and blatantly ignoring it is not being behind the whole thing? We shall agree to disagree then.
09-12-2009 08:55 AM
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carefulwiththataxeEugene Wrote:The U.S. had knowledge of the attacks? Sure, we saw that in 1941 as well. The U.S. conceived, planned, organized, and carried out the attacks? Makes no sense.

Makes plently of sense, sadly.


and it was far from IMPOSSIBLE for one of the trade centers to collapse so perfectly that it did from an airplane strike, and the amount of time it took it to collapse......let alone two towers.
09-12-2009 10:37 AM
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I feel for those people above the impact area, having to choose jumping over the overwhelming heat of the burning & raw odor of the kerosene jet fuel. I actually feel more sorry for those fools that actually believe there is a place in heaven for them if they blow up crowed buildings, buses & planes. People reap what they sow, may they have an endless supply of pork to eat and their 70 odd vessel virgins be in fact drag queens with aids.
09-13-2009 03:18 AM
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sea green queen Wrote:I feel for those people above the impact area, having to choose jumping over the overwhelming heat of the burning & raw odor of the kerosene jet fuel. I actually feel more sorry for those fools that actually believe there is a place in heaven for them if they blow up crowed buildings, buses & planes. People reap what they sow, may they have an endless supply of pork to eat and their 70 odd vessel virgins be in fact drag queens with aids.

I know what you mean. Paul Hill is another example of faith taken to a dangerous extreme.
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