Roger Waters composes music. David Gilmour plays guitar. They're both among the best in the world in their own area of expertise, but when they switch jobs, they're mediocre.

I myself both play and write music. I know which of the two is harder, requires more creativity, is more time consuming, etc. Composing is. That's why I'll always love Roger more than Dave.

(03-18-2010 01:34 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  Roger Waters composes music. David Gilmour plays guitar.

David doesn't compose/write music? That's a new one. I guess you can always devalue someone's contributions by boiling everything down to the lowest common denominator.

Who do you think wrote all the music (along with Rick) to the lyrics that Roger was writing all those years, up to The Wall? Who wrote the music for Dogs on Animals? Who wrote the music for Comfortably Numb? Here's a hint, it wasn't Nick.

If David can't write or compose music, who wrote all the music for his three solo albums?

(03-18-2010 03:04 PM)Electrophile Wrote:  

(03-18-2010 01:34 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  Roger Waters composes music. David Gilmour plays guitar.

David doesn't compose/write music? That's a new one. I guess you can always devalue someone's contributions by boiling everything down to the lowest common denominator.

Who do you think wrote all the music (along with Rick) to the lyrics that Roger was writing all those years, up to The Wall? Who wrote the music for Dogs on Animals? Who wrote the music for Comfortably Numb? Here's a hint, it wasn't Nick.

If David can't write or compose music, who wrote all the music for his three solo albums?

Two things: Read the word "mediocre", and don't generalize everything you read. Sure, Gilmour has written some awesome songs, but he's not a songwriter at heart. Waters also did an amazing job playing the guitar on Pigs on the Wing (which is harder to play than one would think). Just look at the two post-Waters albums; theoretically, they're among the worst of the bunch. Seriously.

Anyway, to set the record straight, Gilmour is for sure a better songwriter than my original post showed... It wasn't a great wording. :p But still, Waters is a songwriter at heart, while Gilmour is a musician.

(03-19-2010 08:28 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  

(03-18-2010 03:04 PM)Electrophile Wrote:  

(03-18-2010 01:34 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  Roger Waters composes music. David Gilmour plays guitar.

David doesn't compose/write music? That's a new one. I guess you can always devalue someone's contributions by boiling everything down to the lowest common denominator.

Who do you think wrote all the music (along with Rick) to the lyrics that Roger was writing all those years, up to The Wall? Who wrote the music for Dogs on Animals? Who wrote the music for Comfortably Numb? Here's a hint, it wasn't Nick.

If David can't write or compose music, who wrote all the music for his three solo albums?

Two things: Read the word "mediocre", and don't generalize everything you read. Sure, Gilmour has written some awesome songs, but he's not a songwriter at heart. Waters also did an amazing job playing the guitar on Pigs on the Wing (which is harder to play than one would think). Just look at the two post-Waters albums; theoretically, they're among the worst of the bunch. Seriously.

Anyway, to set the record straight, Gilmour is for sure a better songwriter than my original post showed... It wasn't a great wording. :p But still, Waters is a songwriter at heart, while Gilmour is a musician.

I'm inclined to believe Jon Carin, actually. Roger is a musician, David is an artist. And he's worked with them both in various capacities, and I think he'd know better than certainly you or I. Just because I prefer David to Roger doesn't mean I crap all over what Roger did with the group and as much as you want to pass off that you're not doing that - that's actually what you're doing. No, David isn't a songwriter at heart, he's admitted as much numerous times. But he's still a competent songwriter and a damn good writer of music, including damn near everything Pink Floyd did when Roger was in the group.

Also, it's your OPINION that AMLoR and The Division Bell are "the worst" of all their records. Putting "seriously" at the end doesn't change it from your opinion to a fact.

(03-18-2010 01:34 PM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  Just look at the two post-Waters albums; theoretically, they're among the worst of the bunch. Seriously.

Seriously, you are joking?
History has already proved you wrong and always will.
AMLOR is a good LP and the Division Bell is a great LP.
The Final Cut (Wall MkII) will go down as the worst of the bunch if you were to ask me.

(03-19-2010 08:28 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  Gilmour has written some awesome songs, but he's not a songwriter at heart.

Quoted for falsity.

That statement is just total BS. 'Seriously'

And I feel no need to back up my statement with proof, because your ignorance does not deserve elaboration.

Hmm, seems like the two threads in which I've expressed my opinions are full of people who read without trying to interpret. I don't know you guys, so I do not know how much you know of musical theory. Really, some things in music are factually better than other things, even when you're comparing high level music such as Roger's and David's. As I said before, you can like an album as much as you want, but facts don't change. Music is science, and if you guys aren't up to at least accepting that so some extent, there is no argument, no conversation.

You don't agree with our opinions. Saying we don't "get" musical theory and therefore because you do, your opinions are right and ours are wrong.......smacks of arrogance. This is the third or fourth time you've brought this up now.

It smacks with arrogance? I'm merely describing the things I happen to know. I've been called "ignorant" before in this discussion (or a similar one in a different thread). Though being ignorant means, among other things, being uneducated, which simply isn't true. If I say something which is a simple fact, and you disagree with it, and I disagree with you, what exactly makes me arrogant?

Have you ever heard the expression "It's not what you say, but HOW you say it?"

Nothing you've said in regards to David, Roger, Pink Floyd or their albums has been a fact. They've all been your opinions, which you're trying to pass off as facts. Ever think that may be why people are taking umbrage with your posts? It's arrogant to assume that your opinion is a fact, simply because you say so.

It's your opinion that A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell are poor albums. It's your opinion that Roger is a better songwriter than David. Just like it's my opinion that those two records are very good and it's my opinion that David is a better songwriter than you're giving him credit for.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with people. We all do it here constantly. If you had said "In my opinion, AMLoR and TDB are poor albums", no one would have said anything past "I disagree" or "I agree". Those three words make a world of difference.