(04-07-2011 11:18 AM)Arno Sluismans Wrote:  Human nature is something you can not change, that's the big problem. If everybody gets paid the same, everybody will have the urge to get paid more by doing more, or to laze around, which logically should make them earn less. The result is capitalism. There's no way to avoid that.

I'll have to stand refuted. I cannot counter argue that.

(04-07-2011 11:26 AM)Lady Floydian Wrote:  Utopian by definition means both idealized perfection and unrealistic and impractical dreams of said perfection. Perfection cannot exist, because humans are not perfect. Humans are humans, and thus fallible. So while this utopian landscape you seem to think can exist is nice to think about......it is by its own definition, unable to exist.

I understand. Your view is kind of depressing, but realistic.