chromeboomerang
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Dude, this is another example of how too much talk-show radio warps your brain and gets you confused. PETA is indeed a radical organization, but it's not a "radical-left" organization, let alone "liberal." In some societies and some periods of history, it's actually been the radical RIGHT that has embraced animal-rights.
Perhaps in some societies of old Mabewa, but in the here & now, PETA is very left. Perhaps not all left/liberal people share their views as you mention, but they are nonetheless a VERY LEFT group. Left extremist perhaps a more accurate title.
Hunters haters have frequently threatened Nugen't family. Death threats that is.
Well, I don't agree with a lot of Nugent's views ("speak English or get out of the USA"--tell that to a Navajo or Yupik elder, or to the majority of hardworking, honest people in Puerto Rico!).
I do. He said; If you can't dial 911 & save another persons life, you don't belong here. Native americans argument is clever, but one could say the same thing for the Japanese, ( that they should speak the old Anus man language, they were 1st on the island), or that these ancient inhabitants should only use their own language, problem with that is, if they want to eat something at a restaraunt, they could well have problems, or get a job etc. So if a country has one official lanuguagem it is not unreasonable for people who live or work there to speak "that" language.
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chromeboomerang
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Yeah, they say stuff like that on the radio, don't they? The whole attitude there seems to be "if the facts don't fit, just make s##t up." You'll hear a lot of pretty funny stuff on the radio.
Put it this way: it's a well-known fact that the poor and middle class actually donate a greater percentage of their income than the rich do. Everybody oohs and ahhs about how much Bill Gates donates to charity, but the ironic thing is, the average working stiff donates more, percentage-wise.
Now, it's also a well-known fact that people who vote Democrat (who you'd probably classify as "liberal") are, on average, significantly lower-income than those who vote Republican (who you'd probably classify as "conservative"). That would appear to contradict this new book you're writing about (this new book wouldn't happen to be written by someone like Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and ilk, now would it?)
No, it was written by a Liberal University professor, who also mentioned poor conservatives also donated 30& higher than lower income Liberals.
John Stossel's latest 20/20 report ... points out that more than 80 percent of philanthropic giving and volunteering in this country is done by conservatives. The study done over years, according to Stossel, by a self-proclaimed liberal professor at Syracuse University, showed liberals are far less likely to give to any charities, volunteer or even give blood, so this study encompasses every aspect of "personal" giving.
Data proves conservatives will donate more often and give more, even when they have less of an income than their liberal counterpart. It was shown that liberals in general do not feel giving is a personal responsibility, and their reasoning somehow transfers responsibility onto the government.
So, conservatives are actually more truly "liberal" with their possessions and time than are liberals? Fascinating.
That explains why "liberals" want to increase government and social programs. It seems a bit ironic that those who give and volunteer the least are the ones that scream the loudest about increasing the already inefficient government programs to help the less fortunate.
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^ In this context, I'd say,CONservatives are church people, Liberals are non church people. Giving to a church, in my eyes, is not giving to charity.Just as giving to "thinktank" is not a charity. To me , a charity, in the end, helps people.
But let's not get off topic here. Some would like to turn this into a right/left debate, it's not.
This is a bloodsport debate.
NeoCon's greatest tool is obfuscation.
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Sharky
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Quote:All I can say is wow.Woweewow.
You can evidently see whatever fits your agenda in what you read.
Nobody cares if you like "liberals". Nobody cares if I like "conservatives". But the tone of your posts is so typical of the snide, indignant attitude of neo cons.
And just how did you overestimate my intelligence? Did you make a snap judgement after reading one post? Kudos.
Man you're just grasping at straws trying to preserve your dogma. Good luck!!
Grasping at straws? Where do I do this?
In your earlier post you didn't believe some of the things I wrote and wanted facts. I presented you facts that backed up what I said.
Now, who is grapsing here? That would be you.
You mention the tone of my posts. Please re-read your posts and see if you can gather a tone from them. But that would be doing some introspection and self-questioning, and its obvious that you're incapable of this.
As far as your intelligence (or lack thereof) is concerned, I won't add more fuel to that. I think you pretty well demonstrated that to the pinkfloyd online world already.
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Sharky
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Quote:^ In this context, I'd say,CONservatives are church people, Liberals are non church people. Giving to a church, in my eyes, is not giving to charity.Just as giving to "thinktank" is not a charity. To me , a charity, in the end, helps people.
I think I've now heard it all.
Where do they dig up these people?
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| 08-14-2007 05:23 AM |
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NeoCon's greatest tool is obfuscation.
Snarky, I've made my last reply to you here. You're obviously a troll, who isn't willing to stay on topic. You're here to argue and try to pass on the beatings you receive from the females in your life. Since you're a Pink Floyd fan, right, I'll draw the similarity to the scene in The Wall where the woman beats the man who in turn is beating the child.
So be proud O'troll, I won't respond, so you can claim a victory on the sieve of an argument you have presented.
Have a nice life in fantasyland. :)
BTW,Snarky, what's your IQ there genius??
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Sharky
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Sour grapes, Narrow Mind??
Sigh...what an idiot!
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cevor
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mabewa
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Quote:Perhaps in some societies of old Mabewa, but in the here & now, PETA is very left. Perhaps not all left/liberal people share their views as you mention, but they are nonetheless a VERY LEFT group. Left extremist perhaps a more accurate title.
I know that this is very hard for you to understand (and I don't really blame you, considering the propaganda you've been exposed to), but PETA has NOTHING to do with left/right politics. As I mentioned earlier, REAL leftist (ie left extremist) philosophy sees animals as commodities for human use, nothing more. How does this fit in in any way with PETA's philosophy?
It's important to remember that extreme doesn't necessarily mean "extreme left-right"--there are a lot of social or political positions that simply don't fit in to the left-right spectrum at all.
As for "not all left/liberal people share their views," dude, I know hundreds of normal, moderate American left-wingers, and the vast majority of them do not support PETA. (in fact, a lot of them have barely heard of PETA!). Your comments give me the impression that you believe that support for PETA is mainstream among the American left. Knowing the American left as intimately as I do, I can only conclude that someone has been taking you for a ride.
Ted Nugent: I have no problem with his guitar playing or hunting. But, I was recently living in the US Southwest, and his repeated comments of "speak English or get out of the US" really, really annoyed a lot of the local American Hispanics and Indians.
Imagine: you are a young, bilingual Navajo, you are proud of the fact that the Navajo language played a crucial role in winning WWII (without it, we might all be speaking Japanese!), and the people you most respect in the world are your tribal elders, who often speak little or no English. Then, you hear some rich rock star saying that everybody who doesn't speak English should get out of the USA. How would you feel? And, it's not just Indians--should we deport a few million Puerto Ricans for speaking little or no English? Is it that hard to just say something like "immigrants should speak English" and just leave it at that?
And yeah, here in Japan, politicians and other morons sometimes make similar comments, but they catch major hell for it from Okinawans, Ainus, etc. As they should. The Okinawans are gentle people, but if a mainland Japanese were to go around Okinawa saying "speak Japanese or get out of Japan" to all of the old people speaking Okinawan, he'd probably get lynched.
As for the ability to dial 911, this argument always cracks me up. Here in Japan, you can dial 911 in English, Chinese and Korean. English speakers scream if there isn't a service in English in foreign countries, and then they scream IS there is the same service available in other languages in their own countries. It's just plain hypocritical. I'm sure that Ted Nugent uses services in English whenever he tours in non-English speaking countries--why should the US deny similar services to the most-often spoken foreign languages in the US?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I say.
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Sharky
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Quote:As for "not all left/liberal people share their views," dude, I know hundreds of normal, moderate American left-wingers, and the vast majority of them do not support PETA. (in fact, a lot of them have barely heard of PETA!). Your comments give me the impression that you believe that support for PETA is mainstream among the American left. Knowing the American left as intimately as I do, I can only conclude that someone has been taking you for a ride.
Dude, I know that PETA is not mainstream, even among the liberals and, thank god for that. And I obviously don't consider myself a liberal and don't follow most of their causes closely.
However, because of my background and interests, I do follow PETA and HSUS closely and know these organizations well. And they are liberal leftist groups - even though the majority of leftist liberals do not share their view. Just like there are some right wing conservative groups that are as extreme on the other side. An example would be white supremacist groups like the KKK. An extreme minority agree with their principles (thank god) but nonethless, they are conservative, leaning on the far right political spectrum.
And dude, its not just conservatives who are bombarded with propoganda. Everyone is, even (my gawd) liberals.
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