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Quote:& Goals 2000, also known as outcome based education, ( Clinton sponsored * backed), has the all time worst statistical performance of any program in US history.

& again, you're forgetting Liberals even under Republican administrations have been in charge of education for last 30 yrs. Statement above still stands.

Dude, you can't even define the word "liberal" (it isn't capitalized, btw, unless you are talking about the name of a political party, as in, for example, the right-wing Japanese Liberal Democratic Party), so your claims of what "liberals" have or haven't been in control of are basically meaningless. To you, "liberal" seems to be "something I disagree with that isn't obviously politically right-wing." I almost envy your ability to simplify complex issues into liberal/conservative, but it really doesn't help understanding. Are you actually capable of simply debating issues?

Just to give you an example of how these things are not nearly so clear-cut as you're trying to make them: "outcome based education" is also known as "standards-based education," which is actually a CONSERVATIVE cause in most parts of the world (Maggie Thatcher was big on it, for example), and which was also popular among US Republicans until Clinton got on the bandwagon.

Most of the Republican opposition to Goals 2000 was based on a perceived lack of local educational control, not on the concept of outcomes-based education (when you think about it, whether or not the US Democrat party supports it, there is nothing "liberal" about outcomes-based education!).

Also, Bush's No Child Left Behind is basically an extension of Goals 2000, so has it suddenly became "conservative" because Bush supported it? Support and rebellion against No Child Left Behind has come from both the left and right, so can we classify it as left or right at all?

Big business has backed both Goals 2000 and No Child Left Behind, so what does that make those laws: liberal or conservative? Do we NEED to label it? Does that really help us understand anything?

In my experience, regardless of who originally voted for the laws in question, standards-based education has generally been supported by the more authoritarian-type right-wingers and left-wingers, and has been opposed by more libertarian right-wingers and left-wingers. In other words, it's no longer a clearly left or right issue, and never really was, despite whatever happens to be politically in vogue at the moment.

I'd love to debate education, immigration, gun control, the Iraq war, health care, etc., with anyone, but it's totally boring and meaningless to try to take every complex issue, put them into exactly two categories, "liberal" and "conservative" (two words that aren't even USED CORRECTLY as synonyms with "left" and "right"), and then pretend that everyone is either pro or con. The world doesn't work that way.



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08-29-2007 05:43 PM
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