I don't know whong, the idea that they had to be "brought back" is totally believable to me...Nick and Rick were so run over by the disputes and power struggles between Roger and Dave it may well have seemed that they were just going through the motions in the writing process leaving live performances their only oppourtunity to "shine"....

mabewa Wrote:

Quote:The band were in a bad financial way and Roger was working hard to try and get The Wall complete. Rick was uncoperative in the making of the record, even though he stood to benefit financially from the album as well as Roger and the other band members who were helping. How would you feel in Roger's situation, after you had given the band a life line in financial terms and had worked bloody hard to bring the project to the fore, only to be told by Rick - who had done little up to that point - that he was on holiday and was not prepared to lay down some keyboard parts? Pretty pi$$sed off I would imagine. Even Dave has said that Rick had contributed nothing to The Wall and he was not happy with him.

Listen, you're defending the undefensible here. Roger had no right to force Rick Wright out: as Dave Gilmour said himself, no member had any right to fire any of the others, regardless of how much they were contributing to individual albums. Destroying the classic lineup of one of the best bands in the world is just wrong, period, and from the statements Roger has made recently about the incredible chemistry that the Gilmour/Mason/Waters/Wright lineup had together, I'm almost sure that he now regrets it himself.

About Rick's refusing to curtail his vacation: the band had a previous agreement about when they were going to record an album and when they were going to have vacations. The record company suddenly offered the band a bigger percentage of the earnings of the album if they were to finish the album earlier, which required that Rick curtail his vacation if they were to meet the new deadline. Now, I can see Roger's point of view here, but I can also see Rick's point of view: he WAS fulfilling his commitment that he had made with the band. If my co-workers were to tell me tomorrow that I should lose my summer vacation that we had already agreed on, in order for the company to make more money, I would simply refuse. I think that most people, in the same situation, would do the same.

But, even if we take the point of view that Roger had a right to break the agreement that the band had made previously by demanding that Rick curtail his summer vacation, Rick's losing the chance to play a lot of the keys on the album should have been punishment enough--if you've ever been in a band, you'll know how humiliating it is for other people to be playing your parts. Forcing Rick out of the band was going WAY too far, as it meant that the classic PF lineup no longer existed, and would never exist again.

Was that worth making a little more $$$? I think not.

Problem with that is, they weren't making a company more money, they were making themselves more money.

Roger was being a royal pain in the arse.

It's too bad he chose this route. The man is a creative genious and I respect that part of him. I was one of those fans who finally felt things went back to normal when Rick was a bonifide member of Pink Floyd once again.

That was a very cathartic moment for a lot of us Floyd fans.

Things seem amicable now though. I don't think Roger and David are "best friends" but from what we have seen on DVD's and interviews they are being civilized and that's a good thing.

Bob

cevor Wrote:I don't know whong, the idea that they had to be "brought back" is totally believable to me...Nick and Rick were so run over by the disputes and power struggles between Roger and Dave it may well have seemed that they were just going through the motions in the writing process leaving live performances their only oppourtunity to "shine"....

It's always been believable to me, too.

Sir Frankie Crisp Wrote:

mabewa Wrote:By the way, on this subject, here's a pretty extensive article. It's kind of sad to read, actually, but it does have a lot of information about Rick's "firing."

http://www.rogerwaters.org/25/mojoart.html

That is a truly excellent article. Very enlightening in terms of how The Wall was made.

That was a great read. The whole thing sounds so damn nasty.

Also, how were these guys having financial troubles? Shouldn't they have had an absolute tonne of money?

I think they first got financial troubles because of the cost of The Wall project, what with the film and then the massive stage show with props and the bricks e. t. c.

The ironic thing was, they didn't actually make a profit from the shows and, as Rick was not officially in the band, he was the only one who didn't suffer, while Roger, who had pushed him out, had to recuperate massive losses.

Wings on the Pig Wrote:I think they first got financial troubles because of the cost of The Wall project, what with the film and then the massive stage show with props and the bricks e. t. c.

The ironic thing was, they didn't actually make a profit from the shows and, as Rick was not officially in the band, he was the only one who didn't suffer, while Roger, who had pushed him out, had to recuperate massive losses.

Yes, Roger shot himself in the foot. And, not only because kicking Rick out meant that the losses had to be spread out among three people instead of four.

The real mistake was that by kicking Rick out, he broke up the classic PF lineup. The Waters/Gilmour/Mason lineup and the Gilmour/Mason/Wright lineup would make some good music, but things would never be the same again. The way Roger has been talking in interviews recently, talking about how much Rick contributed to the PF sound, I think he realizes what a big mistake he made. We may never hear him admit it, but I think he knows it.

mabewa Wrote:

Wings on the Pig Wrote:I think they first got financial troubles because of the cost of The Wall project, what with the film and then the massive stage show with props and the bricks e. t. c.

The ironic thing was, they didn't actually make a profit from the shows and, as Rick was not officially in the band, he was the only one who didn't suffer, while Roger, who had pushed him out, had to recuperate massive losses.

Yes, Roger shot himself in the foot. And, not only because kicking Rick out meant that the losses had to be spread out among three people instead of four.

The real mistake was that by kicking Rick out, he broke up the classic PF lineup. The Waters/Gilmour/Mason lineup and the Gilmour/Mason/Wright lineup would make some good music, but things would never be the same again. The way Roger has been talking in interviews recently, talking about how much Rick contributed to the PF sound, I think he realizes what a big mistake he made. We may never hear him admit it, but I think he knows it.

i think he knows it too. because if he didn't he wouldn't be giving rick the credit he deserves.

Agreed Mab. Here's an interesting 1971 interview where the lady asks them if they have a "tremendous musical rapport" with each other. Interesting the responses they give.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1B7...eature=related