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mabewa · 03-16-2006 09:00 AM

Good post, Domine!

Nick is credited with songwriting on ALL their albums from Saucerful to Dark Side of the Moon.

As for "Speak to Me," I've never heard anyone claiming that it is Roger's work. In Nick's own words: "This was constructed from cross-fades of all the other pieces on the album, which I put together at home and then finally assembled in the studio."

Seeing that the above passage is from Nick's book, which Roger read and critiqued before it came out, I would have to assume that Roger didn't actually write "Speak to Me." You'd think, with Roger and Nick's friendship restored before the book came out, that Nick would have mentioned that it was a "present" if that were actually true.

I suppose you could claim that all 4 of the members should be credited on it, since it's a collage of songs from the whole album... which include songs written by all 4 members of the band. Even by that yardstick, Roger still couldn't claim to have written it himself.

Nick was also responsible for many of the band's sound-effects, and though he never received credits on any album after DSotM, , it is well-known that he contributed to the sound-effects. Even on the two least democratic "Floyd" albums (Final Cut and Momentary Lapse), Nick contributed to the sounds. In fact, it was he who assembled the sounds used on The Final Cut. Nick writes "It was a pity... that Roger felt it necessary to announce aggressively that since whatever I did "was drumming," I couldn't claim either extra royalities or credit for any of this work." He then notes that the collecting of sound effects was at least "a way of escaping the fraught atmosphere of the studio."

Yes, it does seem very likely indeed that Nick Mason is undercredited on Pink Floyd records!

Quote:Nick has never sung nor contributed lyrics to any Pink Floyd tracks.

ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES!!!

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Wings on the Pig · 04-06-2006 05:58 AM

I am sure he helped out a lot more than the other band members make out. He did the vocals on One of These Days, delivering the title in a robot voice!

captain2man · 04-07-2006 01:14 PM

Although he's not heard actually "singing" - Mason's voice can also be heard on "Signs of Life" and "Learning to Fly".

As far as "Speak to Me" - as someone said previously, in the Mason autobiography - he does seem to take credit for the sound collage - I won't repeat what was already said.

However - in a song-by-song guide I have - written back in the mid-90's - it does give the other story - that the songwriting credit was a gift from Waters to Mason.

Also - as someone else mentioned - it is interesting that the Nick Mason's Fictitious Sports record (which is quite interesting by the way - I just heard it for the first time recently) is - in spirit - a Carla Bley record - it's her band (i.e. Steve Swallow & Michael Mantler) - and she wrote all the songs. Mason only co-produced the record & played drums.

From a Floyd completist perspective - it would be a must-have anyway - just to hear Mason playing drums outside of the Floyd context....however - calling it a Nick Mason solo record is silly - and I think Mason himself pretty much acknowledges that in his book....it was simply a business decision.

The music business - is a "business" first & foremost. If you can sell a few hundred more records with Nick Mason's name on it rather than Carla Bley's name - then it's gonna come out as a Nick Mason record (and - hey - it probably worked!).

Same thing happened with Black Sabbath's "Seventh Star" record...don't know how many Sabbath fans are here - but anyone who knows that record knows that it no way, shape or form does that record resemble anything remotely "Sabbath" sounding. It was meant to be a Tony Iommi solo record....but the record company said, "Hey - Tony - you own the name....we'll sell a ba-zillion more copies of this record with 'Black Sabbath' on it rather than 'Tony Iommi'"...so there ya go (and, no doubt, it did just that).

The music "business" end of things can really make you disgusted after awhile....sometimes it's better to be just a regular ol' naive fan and not get jaded with all that stuff.

~~sjmcd~~ · 06-02-2006 06:18 AM

That's so true - they're doing the same thing with On An Island, putting a sticker on it saying "From the voice and guitar of PINK FLOYD"

And I think that, whether or not Nick contributed to writing music, his drumming and sound effects were an essential part of the Floyd sound.

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Wings on the Pig · 06-02-2006 09:14 AM

Nick Mason sung on Corporal Clegg!!

mabewa · 06-02-2006 09:44 PM

Quote:That's so true - they're doing the same thing with On An Island, putting a sticker on it saying "From the voice and guitar of PINK FLOYD"

That's different, though. Fictitious Sports was released as a Carla Bley and Nick Mason record, 7th Star was released as a Black Sabbath record. In contrast, On an Island was released as a David Gilmour record, not a PF record.

True, it has a sticker proclaiming Dave's relationship to Pink Floyd, but that's a very common practice. For example, here in Japan, Syd and Roger's records both have stickers that include the word "Pink Floyd" on them. (in case anybody misses the point, Roger's records include "Pinku Furoido" on both the back and front). However, the title of the artist is Syd Barrett or Roger Waters, not Pink Floyd, just like with Dave's records. I've seen similar stickers on solo records by Ian Anderson, Robert Plant, Ian Gillian, Pete Townshend, Roger Daltry, etc., etc., etc.

ftg3plus4 · 07-13-2006 12:05 PM

pinkfloydmadchris Wrote:Nick Mason sung on Corporal Clegg!!

I'm trying to determine if that's actually the case. Wikipedia says it is, and cites an interview on "US rock radio program Rockline in 1992" as the source.

There's a video of Corporal Clegg on YouTube featuring Dave, Roger, Rick & Nick but no Syd. Interestingly, most of the song is lip-synced by Dave, et al, but the "he won it in the war", etc., parts all go by without anyone being shown singing them! Maybe that means Syd did them (as some say), or Nick did and no one wanted to admit it??

Has anyone heard that Christmas song referred to, so that it could be compared to Clegg??

Funky Dung · 07-14-2006 06:19 AM

ftg3plus4 Wrote:
pinkfloydmadchris Wrote:Nick Mason sung on Corporal Clegg!!
I'm trying to determine if that's actually the case. Wikipedia says it is, and cites an interview on "US rock radio program Rockline in 1992" as the source.

There's a video of Corporal Clegg on YouTube featuring Dave, Roger, Rick & Nick but no Syd. Interestingly, most of the song is lip-synced by Dave, et al, but the "he won it in the war", etc., parts all go by without anyone being shown singing them! Maybe that means Syd did them (as some say), or Nick did and no one wanted to admit it??

Has anyone heard that Christmas song referred to, so that it could be compared to Clegg??

I've always wondered that too, if Nick sung Corporal Clegg.

floydian72 · 07-14-2006 06:27 PM

i dont count one of these days as vocals, its one line that gets slowed down in the studio

ftg3plus4 · 07-14-2006 07:17 PM

Funky Dung Wrote:I've always wondered that too, if Nick sung Corporal Clegg.

I was able to hear the "Merry Xmas Song" from Treeful of Secrets (where it's known to be Nick singing), and compared that and "Arnold Layne" (Syd) to "Corporal Clegg" (He won it in the war, etc.). It's hard to tell because the "Clegg" vocal is such an affected voice, but I vote Nick -- if it was Syd I'm sure it would be more in tune!

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